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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:24:22 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Alan Jacobs <ajacobs@interaccess.com> Subject: Re: thesis topic
You wrote
>In his book, THE AFTERMATH: LIVING WITH THE HOLOCAUST, Hass writes:
>Finally, because of their unique background, many children of Holocaust
>survivors feel a poinnant sense of responsibility to those who were
>murdered. They must ensure the continuity of the Jewish people (p. 133). I
>am interested as a possible thesis topic to look at this sense of
>responsibility which I will call internalized guilt, and to see whether
>thses survivors, their children, and their grandchildren took this guilt and
>either became extremely religious or they rejected their Jewish roots as a
>result of a) experience in the camps, b) second generation so effected by
>their parents that they either rejected or accepted the ideas of Judaism,
>and c) the third generation having an obligation to their grandparents by
>becoming religious.
>
>As you can see this thesis idea is extremely rough, I am almost positive
>this is a relitively unexplored area (Psyc Lit turned up maybe two articles
>and Social Work Abstract, none). But if anyone out there can give me some
>more leads it will be appreciated. My internet address and my email address
>through school follow. Either is a sufficant way to reach me.
>
>Finally, are there any CD-ROM titles that are exclusively for the Holocaust?
>
I'm wondering, is there such a thing a externalized guilt? And if so what is it?
Alan Jacobs
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:39:28 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Susan Jacobson <QJacob@aol.com> Subject: Re: thesis topic
Dear Mr. Quinn,
I writing to you in regard to your thesis statement. You need to check out Helen Epstein's CHILDREN OF THE HOLOCAUST and Bergmann/Jucovy's book GENERATIONS OF THE HOLOCAUST.
I think that it is important that you understand Survivor's syndrome before you write about survivors. In doing research about my father's experiences in the camps and consequent life after the camps-- I have found these books helpful.
I feel that it is very important that before the question of faith is explored it is important to understand exactly what camp life was like and what coping mechanisms enables/enabled survivors to live in our modern society that only wants to hear heroic tales about the Holocaust.
I hope that this information is helpful to you.
Susan Jacobson
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:42:05 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org> Subject: Re: thesis topic
Comments: cc: asq@computek.net
Dear Andrew,
You can get firsthand contact with the children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors by participating in the 2ND-GEN distribution list; the 2ND-GEN e-mail discussion list is devoted to discussions among children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors.
If you were to join the list and then send out a message containing specific questions, I am sure the members of the list would be most willing to help.
To subscribe to the 2ND-GEN list, Andrew, you should send an e-mail message to the following address:
The content of the message should be as follows:
SUB 2ND-GEN <Firstname> <Lastname>
For example, your message would be:
SUB 2ND-GEN Andrew Quinn
The 2ND-GEN list has periods of dormancy, but a query from you would, I am sure, generate some very interesting discussions.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:00:44 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Lucia Ruedenberg <lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Subject: Re: Nazi Archaeology
In-Reply-To: <9505301453.AA11517@sadis01.kelly.af.mil>
On Tue, 30 May 1995, BILL THE CAT-- L. HUBER - SAA wrote:
> While visiting Mauthausen in 1992, I noticed a display in the museum > that covered an archaeological project ordered by Himmler at that > cite using prisoners to do the excavation work. Himmler got the idea > that he could find archaeological evidence to support the Aryan > superman idea. I am not aware of any published report on his > "findings". They had photos of the excavations and some of the > artifacts recovered. Mostly bits of undecorated pottery as I recall.
ahh...this reminds me of something that came up in a seminar this year on culture that I attended here at Ben Gurion. In a discussion on the origin and meaning of the word, Germany is pretty important. It's late at night here and I don't have all the names and refs in front of me, but I can go look them up if someone wants. The point is: in the 19th century Germans built a number of museums for German culture, and they were digging everywhere to find evidence of such. Most of these museums simply remained empty because all they kept finding was Roman ruins.
reminds of Himmler's obsession.
Lucia Ruedenberg
lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:01:56 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jerry Rosenberg <JROSENBE@UA1VM.UA.EDU> Subject: nazi archeology
I am afraid I do not remember the title, but i do remember during the last year that either the Learning Channel or the Discovery Channel had a one hour documentary on Nazi Archeology and how it was designed to prove, as has been indicated on the net, the truth of Aryan supremacy. It made a point of how involved in developing and promoting Nazi ideology academicians were, including Archeologists, Anthropologists, Psychologists, Biologists, etc. and how they so easily ignored intellectual honesty for a piece of the supremecists pie. Sorry I can't be of more help. Jerry Rosenberg
Univ. of Alabama
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:02:28 CDT
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From: "Froma I. Zeitlin" <FIZ@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: QUERY: Nazis & archaeology
In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 30 May 1995 15:05:21 CDT from
<baustin@frank.mtsu.edu>
There is also work by Alain Schnapp, Professor of Art and Archaeology in Paris. He wrote several articles-exposes and also a recent book on the history of archaeology which should at least have reference to the purposeful suborning of archaeology and archaeologists to Nazi purposes.
Froma I Zeitlin
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:04:01 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Tom Kramer <kramert@tmx.mhs.oz.au> Subject: Re: QUERY: Nazis & archaeology
For a brief yet worthy overview of the history of Nazi archaeology, see the 30 min documentary "Archaeology: Unravelling Hitler's Conspiracy" produced by the Archaeological Institute of America at Boston University and The Learning Channel, Arkios Productions 1992.
A few choice exerts from the above:
"True evidence suppressed, false evidence exalted. So diabolical was Himmler's assault on pre-history...that German archaeologists to this day are reluctant to admit it ever happened."
Bettina Arnold, an archaeologist at the University of Minnesota, states in the programme that the number of German University chairs in pre-historic archaeology increased by 300% during the period 1933-39. Arnold continued by stating that for more than 40 years after the end of the war, no German pre-historian had written about the subject's Nazi past. The reason: personal loyalty and fear of reprisals. This attitude has extended to German archaeologists refusing to excavate the remains of Gestapo headquarters in Berlin, the excavations being left to volunteers and an architect.
Incidentally, Arnold states that Spielberg's "Raiders of the Lost Ark" is, to some extent, based on the endeavours of Nazi archaeologists.
Tom Kramer
Dept of Semitic Studies
The University of Sydney
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:09:24 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Jean G. Zeldin" <shoahed@crl.com> Subject: Holocaust essay contest
The Midwest Center for Holocaust Education is planning to sponsor a high school essay contest for the metropolitan Kansas City area in the spring of 1996. We are currently designing a funding proposal which needs to include specifics regarding how the contest will be implemented. I would be interested in hearing from those of you who have coodinated such a project in your area. What infrastructure was used? What topics were assigned? Who were your judges? Did you have preliminary judging? What were your criteria? How many entries did you receive? What were your rules? prizes? forms of recognition? What forms of PR did you find most useful? Would you recommend limiting this to just juniors and seniors? Were there any prerequisites for entry, such as evidence of Holocaust study? Any information you can provide over the net, by mail, or fax would be most appreciated. MCHE's address is 5801 West 115th Street, Suite 106, Overland Park, KS 66211-1800. The fax number is (913) 491-9742.
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:10:42 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: THOMPSON@LVC.EDU Subject: HIST: "Hidden Nazi" revealed
See today's NY TIMES, p.A3, for a story on Hans Schwerte, former member of Himmler's personal staff and the SS Ahnenerbe, who lived under an alias as a respected German academic.
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:12:35 CDT
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From: Dan Kapp <kapp@isis.wu-wien.ac.at>
Subject: Eichmann/Kastner/Kaltenbrunner
My research relates to the deportation of approx. 15'000 Jews from
Hungary to Austria in the Summer of 1944. The reason of them evading deportation to Auschwitz is not quite clear to me, sources provide two seperate leads:
As I have little reason to believe that any of these sources are unreliable, I suspect Blaschke needed labourers in the first place, Kaltenbrunner decided to provide them and Eichmann (who was frantically working on deportation to Auschwitz) or maybe Becher thought '... well, if we have to give away 15'000 Jews, we might aswell cash in on it...'
MY QUESTION:
is there anybody out there who is familiar with this aspect of the
Hungarian Holocaust and who could give me his/her oppinion on my thoughts?
Dan Kapp
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:14:40 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: COMM <zeevl@zeus.datasrv.co.il> Subject: Auge um Auge - German ed.? (fwd)
Dear list members,
The following issue has been discussed in the 9nov89-l list. I believe it
should be discussed in ours as well.
Miki Richter
E-mail: zeevl@zeus.datasrv.co.il
Dear fellow German historians / observers of Germany,
Since there have not been any major debates in this forum for some time, let me present three views on a small bit of "censorship" in Germany, which, I believe, raised some potentially very important issues about German history and the most appropriate way Germans should be coping with their past today.
As many of you will know, the book by John Sack, EYE FOR AN EYE, which was to be published in German by Piper Verlag, was after considerable protests and pressures withheld from the market by the publisher, and the 6000 copies already printed were destroyed.Sack's book deals with camps in Poland where German civilians were terrorized and perhaps 40,000 were killed.Since most SS-personnel had long fled for obvious reasons when the Germans were rounded up, only very few of the latter appear to have been directly involved in the Holocaust.In these camps a number of officials and guards were Jews traumatized by the Holocaust, most notably the commandant of Schwientochlowitz, Solomon Morel.Sack also describes a number of other Jewish officials or guards, who rejected such (humanly understandable) revenge of terror as Nazi.
Both FRANKFURTER ZEITUNG and DIE ZEIT applauded Piper's decision to withhold the book from the market in the hope that it could be kept from German readers entirely.Volker Ulrich wrote in DIE ZEIT of February 24, 1995 (date of the overseas edition) as follows:
SS-JUDEN: WESHALB DER PIPER-VERLAG GUT DARAN TUT, DAS UMSTRITTENE
BUCH VON JOHN SACK NICHT ZU PUBLIZIEREN
Instaendig bat ein amerikanischer Rezensent: "Tun Sie mir einen Gefallen - lesen Sie dieses Buch nicht."Ginge es nach dem Willen des Piper-Verlages, wird das deutsche Publikum gar nicht erst in die Versuchung kommen, dieses Buch zu lesen.Ende vergangener Woche stoppte er die Auslieferung von John Sacks "Auge um Auge".Es geht darin nicht, wie der neue Untertitel der jetzt zurueckgezogenen deutschen Ausgabe scheinbar unverfaenglich verhiess, um "eine Parabel ueber Gewalt", sondern um eine regional und zeitlich genau fixierte Gewaltgeschichte: die Racheaktionen von Ueberlebenden des Holocaust an Deutschen in den polnisch verwalteten Gebieten Oberschlesiens im Jahre 1945.
Ueber dieses Thema ist im Nachkriegsdeutschland aus verstaendlichen Gruenden wenig geredet worden.Auch heute noch setzt sich, wer darueber schreibt, schnell dem Verdacht aus, die deutschen Verbrechen relativieren zu wollen.Das darf jedoch nicht daran hindern, dieses Kapitel der Nachkriegsgeschichte nuechtern, ohne den falschen Zungenschlag des Aufrechnens zu beschreiben und es begreifbar zu machen als eine Nachwirkung jener Orgie aus Krieg und Vernichtung, mit der Nazideutschland grosse Teile Europas ueberzogen hatte.
Dass dies moeglich ist, hat Helga Hirsch in einem ZEIT-Dossier (Nr. 49/1994) ueber den juedischen Lagerkommandanten von Schwientochlowitz, Solomon Morel, gezeigt.John Sack, dessen Buch den Anstoss zu diesem Dossier gab, ist dem Thema nicht gewachsen.Gewiss, er hat fleissig recherchiert; die Liste seiner Interviewpartner und der im Koblenzer Bundesarchiv eingesehenen Aussagen ehemaliger deutscher Lagerinsassen ist imponierend lang.Doch die "wahre" Geschichte erschliesst sich nicht ueber blosse Summierung von oral history, sondern ueber deren sorgfaeltige Interpretation und einen kritischen Vergleich mit anderen Quellen.Davon kann bei Sack nicht die Rede sein. Vielmehr verruehrt er sein Material zu einer historischen Kolportage mit erfundenen Dialogen und reisserischen Handlungselementen.Fuer den Leser ist nicht erkennbar, wo die Grenze zwischen Fakten und Fiktion verlaeuft.
Noch fragwuerdiger als die Methode ist die Art der Darstellung.Sack berauscht sich an den Gewaltexzessen. Geradezu lustvoll malt er immer wieder aus, wie juedische Aufseher deutsche Haeftlinge folterten und zu Tode brachten.An eher versteckter Stelle, im kleingedruckten Anmerkungsteil, verwahrt er sich gegen die Absicht, diese Grausamkeiten mit dem Voelkermord der Nazis gleichsetzen zu wollen, und im Vorwort erklaert er ausdruecklich: "Dies was kein Holocaust oder dessen moralisches Aequivalent."Doch sein gesamtes Szenario laeuft auf diesen einen Punkt zu: Die Juden in Diensten der polnischen Staatssicherheit haben Gleiches mit Gleichem vergolten; sie haben sich nicht anders verhalten als die SS-Schergen, ja eigentlich waren sie noch schlimmer, weil sie im Unterschied zu diesen nicht leidenschaftslos und auf Befehl mordeten, sondern ungehemmt ihre Rachebeduerfnisse auslebten.
Fragt sich nur, was einen amerikanischen Reporter juedischer Herkunft dazu bringt, ein solches Elaborat in die Welt zu setzen. Ist es Antisemitismus, wie gemutmasst wurde, oder der unbewusste Wunsch, die Opferidentitaet umzukehren?Oder einfach nur Sensationslust?Wie auch immer: Die neue Leitung bei Piper (seit kurzem im Besitz der schwedischen Bonnier-Gruppe) hat richtig entschieden, als sie das Buch zurueckzog.Denn der Verlag, der unter anderem das Werk Hannah Arendts betreut, hat noch einen guten Ruf zu verlieren.Es gibt genuegend deutschsprachige Verlage, fuer die das nicht gilt.
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For accuracy's sake, one should add that the Helga Hirsch article was blocked by the editorial board of DIE ZEIT for many months and only released after (not necessarily because) the German edition of John Sack's book was being prepared by Piper and its early publication was expected.
I had read EYE FOR AN EYE and re-read it after this review. Regardless of what one might think of the book or the wisdom of publishing it in Germany, I found the accusations in the next-tolast paragraph outrageous and the speculations about motivations in the beginning of the last paragraph unfair and without foundation.Perhaps above all, Sack clearly is a committed Jewish believer, not just a reporter of Jewish ancestry, which evokes rather racialist categories.I therefore wrote the following letter to the editor, with an introductory personal letter to the editor of the cultural pages, Ulrich Greiner:
May 6, 1995
Herrn Ulrich Greiner
Redakteur - Feuilleton
DIE ZEIT
Pressehaus
Speersort 1
D-20095 Hamburg
G E R M A N Y
Sehr geehrter Herr Greiner,
da das von Volker Ulrich so hart verurteilte Buch von John Sack, "Auge um Auge" Lesern in Deutschland wohl nur schwer zugaenglich sein wird, hoffe ich, dass sich schon aus Fairness dem Autor gegenueber ein wenig Platz findet fuer die hier beigelegte Entgegnung.
Es ist mir durchaus klar, dass ein Buch, das auch nur den Eindruck erwecken koennte, dass die fehlgeleiteten Racheaktionen der Holocaust-Opfer den Holocaust quantitativ oder qualitativ irgendwie aufwiegen, insbesondere in Deutschland problematisch ist.Es ist aber m.E. immer falsch und auf die Dauer noch schaedlicher, schwierige Wahrheiten zu unterschlagen und sie damit schliesslich nationalistischen Betonkoepfen an den sprichwoertlichen Stammtischen zu ueberlassen.Vergessen wir nicht, dass diese Leute Hannah Arendts "Eichmann in Jerusalem" damals auch zu missbrauchen versucht haben.Heute gehoeren ihre damals schwierigen Beobachtungen zur Rolle der Judenraete zum Allgemeingut.Sie haben den verbrecherischen Holocaust keineswegs relativiert, sondern gerade glaubhafter gemacht, weil auch die Opfer menschlicher erscheinen.John Sack hat sich den unangenehmen Fakten als engagierter Jude gestellt und hat sich die groesste Muehe gegeben, sie verstaendlich zu machen, ohne sie allerdings zu verniedlichen.Gerade sein romanhafter Stil bringt die ungeschminkt menschlichen Zuege der blutjungen, hasserfuellten und geschockten Peiniger dem Leser nahe.Seine sympathische Darstellung der Lola ist m.E. meisterhaft und nimmt jeder dummen Aufwiegung gegen den Holocaust den Wind aus den Segeln.
Den kleinen Artikel lege ich bei in der Hoffnung, dass er Sie vielleicht persoenlich interessiert.
Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Dr. Diethelm Prowe
Professor of History
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Die leichtfertige Bereitschaft von Volker Ulrich (Nr.
8/1995), das Buch von John Sack "Auge um Auge" dem deutschen
Publikum vorzuenthalten, indem er die Selbstzensur des Piper-
Verlags gutheisst, darf nicht unwidersprochen bleiben - gerade
weil dieses Buch in der Originalausgabe voraussichtlich nur
wenigen Lesern der ZEIT zugaenglich sein wird.Gewiss liegt
Sacks "Kolportage mit erfundenen Dialogen" nicht jedem; ich
misstraue ihr im Prinzip auch.Diese Methode ist jedoch in
wissenschaftlichen Werken durchaus nicht ohne Beispiel; mit einem
65-seitigen Anmerkungsapparat sind die Gespraeche bei Sack
immerhin wesentlich detaillierter belegt als z.B. in der
geachteten Studie von Walter Laqueur und Richard Breitman,
"Breaking the Silence" (New York, 1986).Eine "blosse Summierung
von oral history" ist dieses Buch jedoch keineswegs.Wie der
Untertitel der deutschen Uebersetzung - eine Parabel ueber Gewalt
viele juedische Holocaust-Ueberlebende als Lagerkommandanten
zumeist unschuldig zusammengetriebene Deutsche ebenso brutal
behandeln konnten, wie es die Nazis vorgefuehrt hatten.Er
stellt dabei zwei gegensaetzliche Kraefte heraus, die die
vormaligen Opfer schliesslich entweder zur Nachahmung der SS-
Methoden oder zu deren Ueberwindung getrieben haben:Einerseits
haben uebermaechtige, menschlich verstaendliche Rachegefuehle
unwillkuerlich, wie Bruno Bettelheim argumentiert hat, zur
Anpassung an Nazi-Verhaltensmuster verleitet.Andererseits aber
haben andere, wie die Lagerleiterin Lola Polok, nach
anfaenglicher Versuchung, diesen Rachegefuehlen nachzugeben, doch
zur Thora zurueckgefunden, die von Juden Barmherzigkeit und
Verwerfung von Hass fordert.Der harte Vorwurf Ulrichs, dass der
Autor sich "geradezu lustvoll" an den Gewaltexzessen der
juedischen Aufseher "berausche," muss jedem Kenner des Buchs den
Atem verschlagen und fragen lassen, ob Ulrich das Buch
sorgfaeltig - und vor allem bis zum Ende! - gelesen hat.Sack,
selbst tief glaeubiger Jude, der mit einer fuer ihn sichtlich
schmerzlichen Wahrheit ringt, sucht die fatale Gewaltlust der
meist blutjungen juedischen Kommandanten (er nennt sie "boys" und
"girls") aeusserst empfindsam aus ihrer Situation - Holocaust,
Not, ploetzlicher Gelegenheit, Macht auszuueben - zu erklaeren.
Bei einem Interview mit einem ehemaligen Lageroffizier fragt er
sich sogar, "ob ich, waere ich im Zweiten Weltkrieg in Polen und
juenger gewesen, nicht genauso reagiert haette wie er" (S. 149 -
amerikanische Ausgabe).Wie kann Ulrich noch nach der Lektuere
des Buchs mutmassen, ob Antisemitismus oder der "Wunsch, die
Opferidentitaet umzukehren" Sack veranlasst habe, das Buch "in
die Welt zu setzen"?Sack betont, dass die meisten Juden trotz
allzu haeufiger Rachegefuehle, die manche von ihnen nach den
eigenen Holocaustleiden SS-Methoden nachahmen liessen, am Ende
diese Gefuehle ueberwunden haben: "die SS hatte auf Hitler
gehoert, aber die Juden ... haben am Ende auf Gott gehoert."
Antony Polonsky, Professor juedischer Geschichte an Brandeis
University, pflichtet Sack bei, er habe "mehr als die Geschichte
juedischer Revanche geschrieben, naemlich die Geschichte
juedischer Erloesung."Von Antisemitismus ist da keine Spur;
wohl aber von der Sorge, dass schwache Menschen, wie Kommandant
Salomon Morel, ihre eigenen Nazi-Methoden mit der Gefahr des
Antisemitismus zu vertuschen suchen.
Dieses empfindsame Buch ist bedeutend, nicht nur weil es
eine historische Wahrheit ausspricht.Das haben schon
Reportagen, wie die von Helga Hirsch (Nr. 49/1994) getan - von
Sacks Buch angeregt und laenger von der ZEIT zurueckgehalten.
Wichtiger ist, dass Sack zeigt, dass auch die Opfer normal
menschlich reagiert haben - im ganzen, normalen Spektrum von
gewalttaetiger Rache (Morel), ueber Wegsehen (Pinek) bis zur
Einsicht, dass die SS am Ende doch gewinnt, wenn die Opfer sich
nicht besser verhalten als ihre Peiniger (Lola).Eine
Nichtveroeffentlichung dieses Buches ist ein Schlag ins Gesicht
derer, die dieser Tage das Mahnmal gegen Goebbels'
Buecherverbrennung planen - genauso wie die SS-Methoden des
Salomon Morel nichts als Wasser auf die Muehlen der Nazis waren.
Bitte lesen Sie bei Hannah Arendt nach, Herr Ulrich, ehe Sie die
Autorin der "Origins of Totalitarianism" und "Eichmann in
Jerusalem" als Zeugin rufen fuer die aengstliche
Nichtveroeffentlichung eines ehrlichen und moralischen Buchs,
wenn es auch gewiss gefaehrlich ist in den Haenden simpler oder
engstirniger Leser."Eichmann in Jerusalem" war das auch einmal.
Zweifellos wuerde diese stets mutige und moralische Denkerin
folgenden Worten Sacks beipflichten: "und als Jude muss ich die
Wahrheit bezeugen, sagt die Thora - ich muss schreiben, wie auch
immer die Wahrheit beschaffen sein mag, doch ich hoffe, dass die
Wahrheit nicht nur von juedischer Rache, sondern auch von
juedischer Erloesung zeugt."
Dr. Diethelm Prowe
Professor of History
Carleton College
U.S.A
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Past experience did not leave me optimistic that DIE ZEIT would publish that letter.Instead Mr. Greiner wrote back a month later pointing to the fact that John Sack himself had replied to Ulrich's review by then.It reads as follows:
ICH BIN REPORTER UND JUDE
Was wohl, fragt Volker Ulrich, bringt einen Mann dazu, der ein Reporter und Jude ist, das Buch "Auge um Auge" zu schreiben, die Geschichte von Juden, die Rache fuer den Holocaust suchten?Ist das Antisemitismus? fragt Ulrich.Oder ist es Sensationslust? Da ich der Reporter und Jude bin, werde ich Volker Ulrich gerne antworten.Die Gruende sind: 1. Ich bin ein Reporter, und 2. Ich bin ein Jude.
Ich bin ein Reporter. Wenn Dinge geschehen, schreibe ich darueber.So schockierend "Auge um Auge" auch manchmal erscheinen mag, die Geschichte, die das Buch erzaehlt, ist wirklich geschehen, wie Helga Hirsch in der ZEIT selbst bestaetigt hat ("Die Rache des Kommandanten", Nr. 49/1994). Diese Reporterin und ich sind keine Historiker, wir taeuschen das auch nicht vor.Wir sind Personen wir Elie Wiesel, der nicht der Sensationslust erlegen war, sondern nur Genauigkeit anstrebte, als er in "Night" Worte wie "His eyes were petrified, his lips (were) withered, decayed" schrieb.Reporter liefern den Historikern Rohmaterial, welches die Historiker hoffentlich sinnvoll interpretieren werden.
Zweitens, ich bin ein Jude. Ich glaube an den Grundsatz der Torah, wenn jemand suendigt, und ich weiss davon und ich sage es nicht an, dann mache ich mich ebenso schuldig.Ich bin kein Serbe oder Somalier, die nur Mitleid mit den Ihrigen haben - ich bin ein Jude, und mein Herz oeffnet sich den Deutschen, die ich getroffen habe, welche als unschuldige Kinder im Konzentrationslager gelitten haben, auch wenn die Lagerkommandanten Juden waren wie ich selbst.Ausser in "Auge um Auge" sind die Leiden dieser Leute, im Gegensatz zu denen der Juden, nach fuenfzig Jahren immer noch uneingestanden und unbekannt.
Eine weitere Frage von Ulrich ist, wo in "Auge um Auge" die Grenze zwischen Fakten und Fiktion verlaeuft.Der Leser ueberschreitet die Grenze am Ende von "Auge um Auge" und am Beginn von Ulrichs eigenen "SS-Juden".In "Auge um Auge" sind die Personen, Geschehnisse und Gespraeche die Resultate derselben fleissigen Recherchen, die Ulrich lobt: Es sind alles Fakten. Die einzige Fiktion ist Ulrichs Behauptung, "Auge um Auge" sei ein Elaborat.
Mit einer Sache, die Ulrich sagt, stimme ich ueberein: Das deutsche Publikum wird nicht in Versuchung kommen, dieses Buch zu lesen.Warum auch. Es weiss ja bereits, was es enthaelt, weiss aus der ZEIT, dass mein Buch von "SS-Juden" erzaehlt, weiss aus der FRANKFURTER RUNDSCHAU, dass meine Botschaft "Juden = Nazis" ist.Die Tragoedie ist, dass das Publikum falsch informiert wurde, und jetzt, da der Piper Verlag die Auslieferung des Buches gestoppt und alle 6000 Exemplare vernichtet hat, kann das Publikum nirgendwo mehr die Wahrheit erfahren: dass nur in zehn Prozent meines Buches Juden Deutsche misshandelt haben.
Nie wird das Publikum ueber die anderen neunzig Prozent erfahren.Es wird nie ueber Juden wie Zlata, Moshe, Mania und Pola hoeren, welche sich geweigert haben, polnische Gefaengnisse anzuschauen oder gar darin zu arbeiten; auch wird es nichts ueber Juden wie Ada erfahren, die ein Gefaengnis nur einmal besucht hat und dann in eine bessere Welt nach Deutschland geflohen ist.Das Publikum wird niemals ueber Juden wie Pincus hoeren, der Leuten, die Deutsche misshandelt haben, gesagt hat, dass Hillel das nicht gutheissen wuerde, oder ueber Juden wie Shlomo, der unter Gefahr fuer sein Leben den Leuten gesagt hat: "Ihr muesst damit aufhoeren."Auch wird das Publikum niemals ueber Juden wie Lola, eine Kommandantin, erfahren, die anfangs die Deutschen geschlagen hat, spaeter aber, unter Lebensgefahr, diese beschuetzt und ihnen sogar Essen zugesteckt hat.
Der Anfang von Ulrichs Artikel zitiert einen amerikanischen Rezensenten, einen Rabbi, der in einer juedischen Zeitung geschrieben hat: "Tun Sie mir einen Gefallen - lesen Sie dieses Buch nicht."Weit weniger liebenswuerdig und weitaus hochmuetiger hat der Piper Verlag jetzt der deutschen Bevoelkerung befohlen: "Lesen Sie dieses Buch nicht.Und wenn es Sie reizt, werden wir Sie daran hindern.Wir werden es vernichten."
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If Stephen Kinzer's article in THE NEW YORK TIMES ("Germans More Willing to Confront Nazi Crimes," May 1, 1995) is right that most, especially younger Germans have matured morally, is this new burning of a serious and moral book justified or is it a step back into a darker past?
Diethelm Prowe
DProwe@Carleton.edu
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:44:01 CDT
Reply-To: s.m.bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk
Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
From: Simon Bromberger <S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk>
Subject: UPDATE: new URL for anti-fascist pages
An altogether briefer URL may be used to access my pages (though I believe the old one will still work)
http://www.shef.ac.uk/students/hi/hi923139/
The latest update to the lists of resources should be online tommorrow. All comments are welcome. In addition if anyone has any short papers on the on the nature of racism, anti-fascism that they would be prepared to have included on the pages could they please get in touch with me via e-mail.
Again the page contains a set of Internet resources for activism, anti-fascism, ethnic studies and related sujects.
Simon Bromberger
Simon Bromberger
University of Sheffield
E-Mail: S.M.Bromberger@shef.ac.uk
WWW: http://www.shef.ac.uk/students/hi/hi923139/simon.html
S-Mail:
Politics Dept
University of Sheffield
Sheffield
United Kingdom
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:46:48 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: daniel perlstein <daperlstein@VASSAR.BITNET> Subject: Re: Role of Nurses in Concentration Camps
It is perhaps tangential to Thelma Leal's inquiry about the role of nurses in the concentration camps, but she might look at the autobiography of Irene Gut Opdyke, a Polish Christian nursing student who rescued many Jews. I am not sure of the title or publisher of her autobiography. Her story is more about a righteous nurse than about righteous nursing but may be of interest to you. In addition to her book, she speaks around the country on her experiences, and I recently heard her give a moving account of her story. If you would like to get in touch with her, please contact me directly. Dan Perlstein (daperlstein@vassar.edu)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:49:22 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: AVIGAIL ABARBANEL <enercomp@ozemail.com.au> Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd Subject: 'Kristallnacht' or 'Pogrom '?
A little while ago I mentioned that I am writing a thesis about Kristallnacht. As you all know the term is controversial and we are discouraged from using it. I would like to follow this principle in my paper but the only other alternative used in the literature is the term Pogrom. 'Pogrom' is to an extent worse than 'Kristallnacht' as it presents analytical difficulties especially where the interpretation of the events as a potential warning sign is concerned.
Can anyone think of any suggestions for alternative terminology??- I am out of ideas.
Thanks,
Avigail Abarbanel
enercomp@ozemail.com.au
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:50:45 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Richard Kool <rkool@cln.etc.bc.ca> Subject: Call for Papers: Primo Levi
PRIMO LEVI: HOLOCAUST WITNESS, WRITER & EDUCATOR
CALL FOR PAPERS
VANCOUVER, BC
November 4-6, 1995
The first Canadian conference on the work of the Italian writer Primo Levi, one of the most powerful,and accessible voices to bear witness to the Holocaust, will be held in Vancouver, BC. Canada, November 4 - 6, 1995. Sponsored by the Vancouver Holocaust Centre, the University of British Columbia, the Italian Cultural Centre, and the Italian Cultural Institute, the interdisciplinary conference will be of interest to those concerned with the Holocaust, Italian studies, comparative literature, history and educators involved with teaching social justice through literature. A film, concert and roundtable dealing with aspects of Levi's work will supplement the presentation of papers. Publication of the conference proceedings is anticipated.
One page abstracts (200-300 words) of possible presentations or panels on
Levi's work and career should be sent to:
Professor Ira B. Nadel, Department of English
University of British Columbia
#397- 1873 East Mall
Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z1, Canada
FAX: 604-822-6906; e-mail: nadel@unixg.ubc.ca
Deadline for submissions: 1 September 1995.
For more information or to register for the conference please contact :
Dr. Roberta S. Kremer, Primo Levi Conference Coordinator
Vancouver Holocaust Education Centre
#50-- 950 West 41st Avenue, Vancouver, BC
Canada V5Z 2N7
phone (604) 264-0499, fax (604) 264-0497
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:53:42 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Dr. Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu> Subject: Holocaust Education Conference
I, too, encourage those who are interested in seeing the number and
nature of Holocaust organizations in the U.S. to contact Dr. William
Shulman at Queensborough Community College for the directory
published by the Association of Holocaust Organizations. The
recent list posted on this holocaus list omitted many organizations
with which I am familiar, including my own. Note that there
will be a convention organized by the AHO from June 11-13th in
Waltham, Massachusetts; the theme is "Responding to the Challenges
of the Holocaust Education". Interestingly, few of the organizations
listed in the AHO directory list internet addresses; ours in is
listed, but incorrectly (I need to correct this for the next
edition). I am looking forward to this (Tenth Annual) convention;
it will be the first AHO conference I will attend. I hope to
meet others with similar interests and to learn more about their
work, ideas, and plans. I also hope to collect additional internet
addresses. [
For further information about this convention, contact:
Dr. William Shula Shulman: 718-225-0378 or
Mrs. Linda Hurwitz , AHO, c/o Holocaust Center of Pittsburgh
242 McKee Place, Pittsburgh, PA (no telephone given on form)
Harriet Lipman Sepinwall
College of Saint Elizabeth
Holocaust Education Resource Center
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:11:19 CDT
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From: "Charles Fishman,
SUNY Farmingdale" <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU>
Organization: FROM SUNY FARMINGDALE, NY 11735
Subject: Re: Contemporary Holocaust Poetry
Paul,
Thank you for this recommendation of the Kovner poem. I subscribe to Midstream and publish there and believe I read (and possibly saved) that poem; on the other hand, I have excerpts from Kovner's "My Little Sister" in the anthology manuscript and not yet this piece . . . so I will look for it and consider it anew.
Also, let me thank you for your forwarding the editorial from the Jerusalem Post to Anti-sem.
--Cordially,
Charles Fishman
Knapp Hall * * * "Those who are alive receive a mandate SUNY Farmingdale * from those who are silent forever." Farmingdale, NY 11735 --Czeslaw Milosz ``````````````````````````````` '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:20:43 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Paul Lawrence Rose <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> Subject: Re: Eichmann/Kastner/Kaltenbrunner
In-Reply-To: kapp AT isis.wu-wien.ac.at -- Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:12:35 CDT
The Kastner matter is extremely sensitive and complex. It seems clear, however, that Kastner deceived his old friends at Cluj into thinking they would be safe under the Nazi regime, while, if they had sufficient warning from K, many could have made it over the nearby border to Rumania. K's main excuse was that he felt there was still a chance to avert the deportations to Auschwitz, and that in any case his "rescue"train might have gone to Auschwitz anyway with his own family on board. As to the train, it was diverted eventually to bergen-Beits passengers were held in better conditions than most prisoners. In (I think) December it was released to Switzerland as a result of the Saly Mayer - Sternbuch -Nazi negotiations. There is some debate about this, but I would argue that it was the Sternbuch (Agudat Israel cum Revisionist) group whose resources made it possible - see my edition of The Hecht Archive (Archives of the Holocaust , vol. 12(1990, NYC) and my article on Joel Brand in The Historical Journal (Cambridge 1990-1, I think). Regarding SS Col. Becher, it was basically Kastner'stestimonial on his behalf to the Nuremberg tribunal that caused the destruction of K's Israeli libel case. Becher was a ruthless Nazi profiteer who survived the war and became a leading businessman on the proceeds of his Hungarian profits. He was still living until a few years ago, and was said to have sponsored the publication of Andreas Biss's book A Million Jews to Save which also depicts him in a favourable light. Biss, however, is unlike Kastner in that there was no question of Biss ever obstructing Jewish escape by collaboration. (Further material may be found also in R Braham, The Politics of Genocide, though the difficult Jewish issues and debates are often relegated to oblique footnotes).See now also Yehuda Bauer's recent book Jews for Sale?, though not all its reconstructions are equally convincing. Paul Lawrence Rose (NB Many Becher/Kastner documents were reproduced in John Mendelsohn's collection, The Holocaust)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:22:12 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Bjorn Krondorfer <bkrondor@lab1.smcm.edu> Subject: Re: Thesis
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Regarding your research on impact on parent-child relationship of second
generation on belief systems, you may want to consult my book
"Remembrance and Reconciliation: Encounters Between Young Jews and
Germans" (Yale UP, 1995), which deals i.a. with intergenerational
transmission of Holocaust trauma and "third-generation" American Jews and
non-Jewish Germans.
Bjorn Krondorfer
Philosophy & Religiious Studies
St. Mary's College of Maryland
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:25:24 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Susan Jacobson <QJacob@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lativian deportations in 1942
To all:
Has anyone done research into deportation of Jews from Riga Lativia?
Most recently I have begun researching my father's experiences in the camps and I have found little information written about the Baltic States--at least in English. Has anyone else been researching this area.
Secondly, can anyone tell how long ago when this newsgroup was established?
In addition, has anyone been doing research on Holocaust Remembrance? Memorials? I have recently been reading Claudia Koontz's writing on Holocaust Memorials. I would like to discuss her writing with someone if anyone is familar with her writing. Also I would like to discuss Langer's book Ruined Memory with someone.
Susan Jacobson
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:30:31 CDT
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Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
From: Jim Mott <U15607@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: In Disagreement
Comments: To: WEISFELD ABRAHAM-HARVEY <d256344@er.uqam.ca>,
d256344@nobel.si.uqam.ca
Comments: cc: rmichael@massd.edu, Jim Mott <jimmott@spss.com>,
u08946@mivm.uqam.ca, rmichael@umassd.edu
In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:00:30 -0400 (EDT) from
<d256344@er.uqam.ca>
I am sorry that you decided to leave the list. There are places on the Internet for the types of messages you attempted to post on Holocaus. I decided not to post them on this list because they were not specifically about the history of the Holocaust. The goals of this list are to promote research on the Holocaust and how to teach it. The latest message of yours which I rejected about how German officials were rewriting History was interesting but more relevant for a list discussing current events. I hope you find another list you are more comfortable with.
Jim Mott
Holocaus Moderator
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 17:01:29 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Peter I. Hidas" <phidas@dawsoncollege.qc.ca> Subject: Re: Eichmann/Kastner/Kaltenbrunner
Try to get in touch with Maria Ember and/or Tamas Stark at the Institute of History of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, Uri-u 51/53, Budapest, Hungary.
Peter I. Hidas, Montreal
phidas@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 17:14:15 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Becket Franks <tbecket@eagle.ibc.edu> Subject: Re: Reconciliation of Survivors' Children and Children of Nazis.
This might have been discussed on the listserv already, so pardon the mentioning of it again.
However, there was a fascinating article in the "Tempo" section of the CHICAGO TRIBUNE, Friday, June 2, 1995.
The article featured a project begun by Mona Weissmark and Daniel Giacomo. Both are hysband and wife. Mona teaches at Roosevelt University in Chicago, and Daniel is the director of outpatient psychiatry at the University of Chicago. The project under discussion in the article was about reconciling children of slaves and children of slave owners in the United States.
But the article referred to a project by which the above mentioned couple teamed up with a Cambridge, Mass.-based actress, Ilona Kuphal, whose father was a Nazi officer, to do reconciliation with children of Holocaust survivors and the children of Nazis. The meeting took place in Sttutgart, Germany.
The article really doesen't mentioned the results of the meeting in 1992. But the study was published in THE JOURNAL OF NARRATIVE AND LIFE HISTORY.
Has anyone read the study?
Thank you.
T. Becket A. Franks
Benet Academy
2200 Maple Avenue
Lisle, Illinois 60532
708.969.6550
tbecket@eagle.ibc.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:39:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Simon Wiesenthal Documentary Film
From: David Dickerson < ddickerson@IGC.ORG >
Abstract: This message is a text file of the press release
for the documentary film, THE ART OF REMEMBRANCE:
SIMON WIESENTHAL; the U.S. premiere of this
99-minute documentary will be June 26 and June 29
at the Human Rights Watch International Film
Festival at Walter Reade Theater, Lincoln Center,
New York. (I have no affiliation with Gotham
Entertainment or River Lights Pictures.)
For Immediate Release -- The first feature length documentary portrait of legendary Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal will screen as part of The Human Rights Watch International Film Festival program at Walter Reade Theater, New York City, June 16-30, 1995.
THE ART OF REMEMBRANCE: SIMON WIESENTHAL, a lyrical and stirring Austrian-American coproduction, is the remarkable story of Simon Wiesenthal, a Holocaust survivor who has devoted his life to the hunting down of Nazi war criminals and to keeping the lessons of World War II alive for subsequent generations of Americans and Europeans.
The film is the second collaboration of producer-directors JOHANNA HEER and WERNER SCHMIEDEL, whose earlier film THE OTHER EYE is an award-winning portrait of G.W. PABST, the Austrian director of such classic silent works as PANDORA'S BOX and DIARY OF A LOST GIRL.
The 99 minute film follows Wiesenthal's extraordinary life from his student days in Eastern Europe through the dark era of the Holocaust, where he survived a succession of concentration camps, to the post-war period where he reached worldwide fame as an investigator of Nazi war criminals.
The film not only follows Wiesenthal's personal journey, but makes a vivid statement about the implications of the Holocaust in a world still torn by racial conflicts in a departure from the traditional documentary style.
Another theme is Austria's profound repression of both Wiesenthal's work and its own responsibility for its participation in the crimes of the Third Reich.
Using stylized camerawork, edgy editing, a color scheme that provides symbolic and psychological dimensions and the original music of innovative composer JOHN ZORN, the filmmakers have made a documentary using dramatic visual and oral language.
The film contributes to our understanding of these events and to the human values of commitment to life and justice.... a landmark film to mark the 50th anniversary of the end of the Second World War.
THE ART OF REMEMBRANCE: SIMON WIESENTHAL will screen on June 26 at 2:00 PM and on June 29 at 6:30 PM (Closing Night) in Walter Reade Theater, Lincoln Center. The directors will be present.
The film is represented by GOTHAM ENTERTAINMENT GROUP, Joel Roodman and Patrick McDarrah, (212) 376-6063.
River Lights Pictures, Inc. New York (212) 226-1526.
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:54:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Interview questions
From: Jerry Rosenberg < JROSENBE@UA1VM.UA.EDU >
I am about to undertake a project to complete a living history of Holocaust
survivors in Alabama. I have worked with most of them over the years but
this will be the first effort to put their stories on video tape. I am
familiar
with other projects of this nature and would appreciate information on the
various formats used to do the video tapeing and the questions and ordering
of questions that some of you may have used. If there are any people
currently
involved with the Speilberg project, I would appreciate methodology being
used, i.e., format for tapeing, questions, informed consent forms, etc.
Any help would be appreciated. The plans are to either tape the survivors in
their homes or in a special room set up here on campus. All the survivors
have
already told me of their great interest in and willingness to participate.
The video tapes will be use as part of a permanant archive as well as for
teaching purposes throughout the state and elsewhere as appropriate. This
use
of the material was one of the major reasons so many survivors volunteered.
Thank you in advance for any help. Jerry Rosenberg, Univ. of Alabama
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:54:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Stuttgart conference
From: Dr.Harriet Sepinwall < sepinwal@LIZA.ST-ELIZABETH.EDU >
Among the attendees at the Stuttgart, Germany conference was
Peppy Margolis, the Holocaust education coordinator for the
Federation of MetroWest (NJ). As the child of survivors, she
was invited to attend this conference to meet with the children
of Nax Nazis in an effort at "reconciliation". If anyone would
;like to contact Peppy, she can be reached on Tuesdays and
Thursdays at 201-884-4800, ext. 178 (she has no e-mail).
Harriet Sepinwall
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:54:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Buchenwald Money Inquiry
From: Howard Levin < howlevin@HALCYON.COM >
A student of mine showed me what appears to be some "money" from Buchenwald. The info is below. Can someone tell me what this was used for and who it was issued to?
SS-Standort-Kantine - Buchenwald
RM. 3 RM.
_____ _____
WERTMARKE 26217 *
Howard Levin
Chair of Social Studies
Overlake School (Grades 5-12)
howlevin@halcyon.com
howlevin@u.washington.com
Try my experimental Web pages at:
http://www.halcyon.com/howlevin/howlevin.html
http://www.halcyon.com/howlevin/social.studies
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:54:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Student's reaction paper
From: Robert Michael < RMICHAEL@UMASSD.EDU >
Dear Listmembers,
I teach the Holocaust course here at UMASS Dartmouth and require
weekly reaction papers from each student. Here is an especially
insightful, honest, and provocative one:
*As I read the assigned material and as I listen to your lectures, I
have surprised myself in how overemotional I am. I cried as I finished
NIGHT as I am sure everyone did. However, it was almost as though I
saw the characters as fictional, not real. I think that I have a real
problem dealing with the holocaust in my mind. I know that I am
somewhat of an unemotional person. I can cry more easily over the
death of my favorite character on a television show than I can for the
death of a close friend. I am not really sure what that is; maybe I am
not very good at coping with hard reality or maybe because my life has
been such an emotional rollercoaster that I have lost my ability to
feel and to cope with real loss. In many ways, the killing of the Jews
is so horrible that it seems almost impossible that it realy happened.
It does not surprise me that many have gone into denial that such an
event really occurred.
*Hate can be a much stronger emotion that love many times. Hate seems
to be what drives us and pushes us along. Love can turn to hate, but
hate rarely turns to love; although I am sure there are a few
exceptions. In many ways through this course I am finding more about
myself than about history. I suppose that kind of learning is the most
important. In looking at what Hitler's followers did it is very easy
for me to sit and say I would never do that. However, as I look in the
mirror and see a pale, blue-eyed girl who has a need to be accepted by
her peers, I am not so sure about this. Who's to say that I would not
have gone along with everyone else. In my heart and my soul, I feel
that I would not have, but no once can ever be sure. I have the luxury
of being an onlooker and a judge of history, and for this I am
thankful. As this semester draws to a close, I hope to discover more
about myslef and about history and maybe find a few answers at the
same time.*
Collegially,
Bob Michael
Professor/History
UMASS Dartmouth
rmichael@umassd.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:49:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Unmasked SS man
From: Warren Thompson < THOMPSON@LVC.EDU >
Herewith details: HansSchwerte was on HH's personal staff and as a
member of the Ahnenerbe ("Ancestral Heritage") of the SS he had
some "administrative" connection to the human experiments at
Dachau. Alias: Hans-Ernst Schneider, assumed post-war. He used
his wartime contacts to create a new identity.
He remarried his real wife under his alias (she reported that
her "first husband had died during the war). Pre-war he had top
academic credentials and reputation, all of which died when he
"died." Thus he repeated all his academic work at the U of
Erlangen and received another PhD in Germanic studies under his
alias. Became well known in German/Austrian academe, but not
abroad. Retired 17 years ago. Came out of closet because he
learned that a Dutch TV program was to blow the whistle (using
info gained from Simon Wiesenthal). Wiesenthal had earlier hit a
stone wall at U of Salzburg where Schwerte had been named
"honorary professor" in 1984.
As Schwerte in the SS he served in what some "suspicious"
postings: Poland and Latvia (NYT refers to them as "special
missions").
As administrator in Ahnenerbe, he may have been in charge of all
of their "scientific" work (which BTW includes obtaining skeletons
for the German-run university in Alsace...the former being obtained
from selected living bodies; the "business manager" of Ahnenerbe,
Wolfram Sievers, went to the gallows, in large part because of
these skeletons).
Per NYT, he "gained a reputation as a left-liberal political
figure" (damned good cover, I'd say, for a Nazi in hiding).
Final paragraph (verbatim): "While Dutch television called his
story 'a German career,' the [German] magazine Der Spiegel said:
'That was an understatement. Schwerte-Schneider is THE German
career.'"
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:49:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust memorials
From: Dr.Harriet Sepinwall < sepinwal@LIZA.ST-ELIZABETH.EDU >
Susan Jacobson and others interested in Holocaust mmemorials
should contact the Jewish Museum in New York. They had an
exhibit (last summer?) on this topic and also published a
book based on the exhibit; both were excellent. The exhibit
raised many questions about the meaning of the memorials--
both for those who put them up and for those who view them/
experience them. Especially, I think, such memorials raise
issues about the meaning of Holocaust education. I have
used the exhibit book in my own work in Holocaust edcuation
--both for my undergraduate classes and for teacher workshops.
The memorials depicted are very effective in encouraging
thoughtful discussion.
Harriet Lipman Sepinwall
College of Saint Elizabeth
Holocaust Education Resource Center
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:34:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: 'Kristallnacht' or 'Pogrom '?
On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, AVIGAIL ABARBANEL < enercomp@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> A little while ago I mentioned that I am writing a thesis about > Kristallnacht. As you all know the term is controversial and we are > discouraged from using it.
From: Lucia Ruedenberg < lucia@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL >
no, I didn't know this...
lucia ruedenberg
lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
What about such terminology, as "cleansing" or "genocide"? Igor Barsegian
Not only that. Kristallnacht is the name of a specific historical event.
There
have been many pogroms, but only one Kristallnacht. Calling it anything
different
can only confuse the reader.
Best regards,
Marek Osinski
University of New Mexico
osinski@chtm.unm.edu
I would be grateful for a more elaborate explanation as to why the term "pogrom" presents analytical difficulties. If an officially sanctioned, premedidated, and organized anti-Jewish riot that is designed to appear as though it had been spontaneous was not a "pogrom," then what was it?
Alan E. Steinweis Phone: (402) 472-2414 Department of History Fax: (402) 472-8839 University of Nebraska--Lincoln e-mail: aes@unlinfo.unl.edu
Oldfather Hall 612
Lincoln, Nebraska 68588-0327
From: Charles Fishman < FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU >
Did I miss something? Who is discouraging whom from using "Kristallnacht"
and
in what context?
Charles Fishman * Fishman@snyfarva.cc.farmingdale.edu Distinguished Service Professor * * * (516) 420-2031 (Voice) Dir., Visiting Writers Program * * * (516) 420-2051 (Fax) Knapp Hall * * * "Those who are alive receive a mandate
SUNY Farmingdale * from those who are silent forever." Farmingdale, NY 11735 --Czeslaw Milosz
I am not a scholar of Holocaust history but what I DO know,
is that Kristallnacht should be used when describing what
happened in Germany!!! "The Night of Broken Glass" sums it up
for me due to the outright destruction and smashing of Jewish
property by gangs of hooligans and Nazis. What I don't understand
is why is this term considered "controversial?" Is this simply
another Political Correctness issue? If so, I say that I have had
enough of this P.C. B.S. and trying to find an "acceptable"
replacement word for "Kristallnacht" is offensive to my sense of
historical accuracy. This horrible night of violence shall not
go silently into that good night if I have anything to say about
it. "Kristallnacht" happened. There is no doubt about that!!! But
would someone please enlighten me as to what we should call it? It
has been known as "Kristallnacht" since the event and if the
"Hallowed Halls of Academe" can do nothing else with itself but
try to re-write historical events simply to avoid "hurting
someone's feelings" then Academia is going to Hell in a Handbasket
quite quickly.
Sincerely,
Rob McCabe
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:17:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: Lativian deportations in 1942
From: Rodney Allen < rallen@MAILER.FSU.EDU >
In May, l995, the Dumbarton Oaks program in Landscape Architecture held a conference where several papers dealt with Holocaust issues. I did not attend. The papers of signifance were:
Sybil Milton(U>S> Holocaust Memorial Museum), PERILOUS LANDSCAPES: CONCENTRATION CAMP MEMORIALS BETWEEN HISTORY AND POLITICS; and
Joachim Wolschke-Bulmahn (Dumbarton Oaks), THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN OF BERGEN-BELSEN CONCENTRATION CAMP.
Write to: Studies in Landscape Architecture
Dumbarton Oaks
l703 32nd Street,N.W.
WASHINGTON< D>C> 20007
202--342-3280
Rod Allen rallen@mailer.fsu.edu
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:42:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Buchenwald Money Inquiry
From: Koerber, Andreas < FE3A002@ERZI.ERZWISS.UNI-HAMBURG.DE >
Howard Levin wrote:
|A student of mine showed me what appears to be some "money" from
|Buchenwald. The info is below. Can someone tell me what this was used fo=
r
|and who it was issued to?
|
| SS-Standort-Kantine - Buchenwald
| _____ _____ | RM. 3 RM. | _____ _____ | WERTMARKE 26217 *
This looks like a coupon of the canteen in Buchenwald, but apparently not
from the KZ (I don't know whether such kinds of organisatory means were us=
ed
there at all) but of the SS-camp, worth some three Reichsmarks.
Such "Essensmarken" still are used in greater organizations today, e.g. in=
the Federal Army, where the "employer" bears some of the cost of the meals=
and wants to avoid to just PAY the employees (or soldiers etc) the amount =
in
order to make sure that the amount can only be used for going into the
canteen.
>From this point of view, this source does not bear any significant message=
apart from proving the existence of an SS-camp in Buchenwald with a cantee=
n
and a (typically German) "good" organization of providing the SS-men with
meals (while coditions in the KZ were not so "well" organized - but that's=
already knowledge from other sources).
But maybe someone nearer to the subject does know of some more significanc=
e
to this.
Regards
Andreas Koerber
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:22:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Role of Nurses in Concentration Camps
From: nathan kravetz < hcedu005@HUEY.CSUN.EDU >
Irene Gut Opdyke's book is _Into the Flames: The Life Story of a
Righteous Gentile_, available from The Borgo Press, P.O. Box 2845, San
Bernardino, CA 92406.
Nathan Kravetz, Editor: Studies on Judaica and the Holocaust, Borgo Press.
> It is perhaps tangential to Thelma Leal's inquiry about the role of nurses
> in the concentration camps, but she might look at the autobiography of
> Irene Gut Opdyke, a Polish Christian nursing student who rescued many
Jews.
> I am not sure of the title or publisher of her autobiography. Her story
> is more about a righteous nurse than about righteous nursing but may be of
> interest to you. In addition to her book, she speaks around the country
on
> her experiences, and I recently heard her give a moving account of her
> story. If you would like to get in touch with her, please contact me
> directly. Dan Perlstein (daperlstein@vassar.edu)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:27:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: Student's reaction paper
From: DClemens < DClemens@AOL.COM >
I understand the theory behind reaction papers but I disagree with it.
Often
they encourage students to have opinions before they have knowledge. Your
student's paper illustrates why I prohibit the use of the word "I" in my
argumentation and critical thinking papers. Did your student come away with
knowledge about the Holocaust, or with a vaguely confused glance in the
mirror? I believe that the facticity of the Holocaust surpasses the
imagination's ability to conceive it. When asked "what would you have
done?"
I think you will find out more about young peoples' own narratives and
characterizations of themselves than you will about their rational grasp of
events (the effect of the Holocaust on the imagination of those really
touched by it is another question).
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:27:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Buchenwald Money Inquiry
From: Warren Thompson < THOMPSON@LVC.EDU >
A student of mine showed me what appears to be some "money" from Buchenwald. The info is below. Can someone tell me what this was used for and who it was issued to?
SS-Standort-Kantine - Buchenwald
RM. 3 RM.
_____ _____
WERTMARKE 26217
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This appears to be something SS men from the Buchenwald guard detachment
could
use in their "canteen" (= "post exchange"). Not money. really, but more like
a coupon.
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:37:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Jewish-German Dialogue and Memorials
From: Bjorn Krondorfer < bkrondor@LAB1.SMCM.EDU >
I am responding to Becket A. Franks inquiry about the Mona Weissmark/Ilona Kuphal dialogue (Children of Jewish survivors and Nazi perpetrators) and Susan Jackson's inquiry about Memorials and Holocaust Remembrance events. Since about the mid-1980s, some of the commemorative events regarding the Holocaust have taken a more dynamic and active forms of meetings and encounters between post-Shoah Jews (esp. North America and Israel) and non-Jewish Germans. Mona Weissmark's groups was one of these groups that met in Cambridge. Also, Israeli psychologist Dan Bar On led similar groups, and so do others (e.g. Acts of Reconciliation in Oakland, CA led by a dramatherapist). There is also a program since 1989 (on a biennal basis) that runs for 4 weeks in the summer (2 weeks in Philadelphia, 2 weeks in Berlin in Auschwitz) for American Jewish and non-Jewish German students of the "third generation" which I am helping to facilitate. This summer, it is going to take place for the 4th time. For more information, consult my book, recently mentioned on this list ("Remembrance and Reconciliation: Encounters Between Young Jews and Germans", Yale UP, 1995) which also provides a theoretical framework for thinking about new avenues of Holocaust teaching and "active" ways of memorializing. It also surveys some of the recent Jewish-German dialogue groups and the literature related to this theme.
Also, I am not familiar with Claudia Koontz book on Memorials. Could you (Susan Jackson) please give me full citation?
Bjorn Krondorfer
Dept. of Phil. & Religious Studies
St. Mary's College
St. Mary's City, MD 20686
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:47:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Buchenwald Money Inquiry
From: Stephen Feinstein < feins001@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU >
It is probably like the money from Theriesenstadt, Lodz (Litmanstadt) and Oranienburg. I believe it worked like this" Jewish property seized on arrival was compensated for by "Jewish money," issued to inmates who could "buy" items taken from other prisoners who were deported. The most comprehensive set is from Theresienstadt, 7 denominations. In Minneapolis there is a Romanian survivor in Minneapolis who is an expert on money. He has bills from Hanover overprinted with anti-semitic slogans from the 1920s, as well as full sets of other money. His name is Hannu Sulitaneu. If you need an address, pleease write me. Stephen Feinstein
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:47:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Holocaust memorials
From: michael rothberg < MPRGC@CUNYVM >
The book referred to by Harriet Sepinwall which came out of James Young's exhibit at the Jewish Museum on Holocaust memorials is:
"The Art of Memory: Holocaust Memorials in History," ed.
James Young (Munich and New York: Prestel, 1994).
There are many interesting essays included by Claudia Koonz, Saul
Friedlander,
Primo Levi, and a dozen or so others.
Michael (mprgc@cunyvm.cuny.edu)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:47:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Interview questions
From: Sidney Bolkosky <sbolkosk@umd.umich.edu>
Jerry, The UM-Dearborn has been taping survivors for 14 years. We use
3\4 inch format, unlike the Spielberg project which uses Beta-Cam 2.
There is really very little in the way of an interview index since the
interviews are expansive and begin with questions like: "can you tell me
about life before the war in _____?" If that does not elicit some sort
of narrative, there are follow-up questions regarding family, school,
non-Jewish relationships, etc. The Spielberg project, which I have been
marginally involved in four cities, ought not be your model, I think,
because of its rather urgent mission to get 75,000 interviews in three
years. This means rigidly controlled, two hour interviews and minimal
pre-interview contact. Our own project begins with extensive audio-tape
interviews (several sessions, often going to 10-25 hours) followed weeks
later by a video interview in the University studio. It demands auditing
the first interview and guiding the survivor to a certain degree. If you
are interested in the details of this project, the way it is being
catalogued and put on line with OCLC (an international library network),
I can send you the email address of the woman in the library in charge of
the transcriptions and the care of the tapes. Good luck.
Sid Bolkosky
UM-Dearborn
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:52:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: _Holocaust & Genocide Studies_ 9:2
FROM Erich Staib, Oxford University Press> <eps@oup-usa.org>
SCHEDULED MAIL DATE 13 JUNE 1995
Inventing the Holocaust: A Christian's Retrospect.
Franklin H. Littell
p. 173
Learning from Survivors: The Yale Testimony Project.
Geoffrey H. Hartman
p. 192
The Annihilation of Exits: The Problem of Liberation in the
Holocaust Memoir.
David Patterson
p. 208
Kibbutz Buchenwald and Kibbutz Hafetz Hayyim: Two
Experiments in the Rehabilition of Jewish Surviviors in
Germany.
Judith Tydor Baumel
p. 231
BOOK REVIEWS
p. 250
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
p. 269
RECENTLY PUBLISHED BOOKS ON HOLOCAUST
AND GENOCIDE STUDIES
p. 277
BIOGRAPHIES OF CONTRIBUTORS
p. 291
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:52:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Ship Struma,1942
From: Paul Dennis Gower < pgowersr@TENET.EDU >
I am seeking information or sources concerning the cattle ship Struma which sank in the Black Sea in February,1942 with the loss of 768 lives. The ship sunk after striking a German mine.Her passengers were European Jewish refugees who were denied entry into Turkish territorial waters,although the sinking occured after British approval for those under 16 to be allowed.The approval came after she sailed.Any further information is appreciated.
Paul D. Gower,Sr. "I am not a politician and my other habits
pgowersr@tenet.edu are good."
Charles F. Brown
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:02:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Eichmann/Kastner/Kaltenbrunner
From: Miki Richter < zeevl@ZEUS.DATASRV.CO.IL >
Dear dan,
Kurt Becher is still alive! He has been
recently interviewd by the "2 - channel" of the Israeli television
Reporter - Ilana Dayan( Uvda).
However, only a small part of the interview
were displayed. You may ask the channel to send you the interview. You
may also try to get Becher's adress in Bremen - Germany.
He probably knows everything.....
Miki Richter
E-mail: Zeevl@zeus.datasrv.co.il
On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Dan Kapp wrote:
> My research relates to the deportation of approx. 15'000 Jews from
> Hungary to Austria in the Summer of 1944. The reason of them evading
> deportation to Auschwitz is not quite clear to me, sourcesprovide two
> seperate leads:
>
> 1. Source: a letter by E. Kaltenbrunner (RSHA/Berlin) dated August (?)
> 1994 and addressed to 'ehrenamtlicher SS-Brigadefuehrer' Blaschke (then
> mayor of the City of Vienna) approuving his request for 15'000 labourers
> for 'kriegswichtige Arbeiten im Raum Wien/Niederdonau'
> (to be found in Brahams 'Black Book')
> 2. Source: the Kastner-Report in which the deportation appears as a
> 'rescue achivement' with a per capita of 100 to 200 USD payed to Eichmann.
> On behalf of the SS, Kurt Becher ('Leiter des Wirtschaftstabes') is named
> as the master mind of this opperation.
> (to be found in 'Kasnter Report / Wiener Library, London GB)
>
> As I have little reason to believe that any of these sources are
> unreliable, I suspect Blaschke needed labourers in the first place,
> Kaltenbrunner decided to provide them and Eichmann (who was frantically
> working on deportation to Auschwitz) or maybe Becher thought '... well, if
> we have to give away 15'000 Jews, we might aswell cash in on it...'
>
> MY QUESTION:
> is there anybody out there who is familiar with this aspect of the
> Hungarian Holocaust and who could give me his/her oppinion on my thoughts?
>
> Dan Kapp
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Kapp
> PhD Student
> Vienna University / Austria
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:12:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Son of Adolph Eichmann
From: Becket Franks < tbecket@EAGLE.IBC.EDU >
The following was printed in the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES today, Tuesday, 6 June 1995.
HOLOCAUST ARCHITECT'S SON SAYS FATHER'S EXECUTION WAS JUSTIFIED
by Karin Laub
Associated Press
JERUALEM- Adolf Eichmann's youngest son, breaking the family's
silence,
said Monday that he is relieved that his father was hanged for being an
architect of the Holocaust.
"What would I do with him" if he were still alive, Richardo Eichmann said in an interview. "Tell him to go to hell?" Offer him refuge?"
The 40 year-old Eichmann also said believed the execution of his father in Israel in 1962 was justified.
As chief of the Gestapo's Jewish section, Adolf Eichmann oversaw the Nazis' deportation and murder of millions of Jews during Wolrd War II. He promoted the use of gas chambers in death camps.
After the war, Eichmann escaped to South America but was kidnapped by Israeli agents in 1960 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. He was tried and convicted in Israel of crimes against humanity.
Richardo Eichmann was 5 when his father was arrested. But he knew only that his father disappeared and his mother, Veronika, moved the family back to Germany. She refused to tell Richardo what his father had done and how he died, he said.
"My mother never said anything to me," Eichmann said in a telephone interview from Germany."
"She withdrew from everyone. She always stayed at home. If she wasn't fixing meals, she was reading the Bible. I think this is how she found her solace."
He declined to discuss the reactions or current lives of his three older brothers.
Eichmann, who teaches Middle Eastern archaeology at the University of Tuebingen in southern Germany, said he became aware of his father's role only when he reached his early teens, mainly by reading books.
At school, fellow students and teachers rarely asked him about his father, and history class skimmed over the 1933-45 period of Adolph Hitler's rule, he recalled.
In 12th grade, however, he and his classmates were shown films depicting the Allies' liberation of Nazi death camps, including footage of piles of corpses and inmates starved to skin and bones.
"I can remember this very well. It was something I couldn't grasp or put into words," Eichmann said.
Eichmann said he had mixed feelings about his father's execution. He said sometimes he wished his father was alive today so he could press him for an explanation.
"In my country, the older generation didn't talk about the past," Eichmann said.
Eichmann said it was difficult to tell his children about the
past. "But I don't want them to grow up like I did, having to come to
grips with all this alone."
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:07:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Anne Frank Remembered
From: Franklin Littell <FHL%TEMPLEVM@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
\John Blair, whose interviews provided much of the material for "Schindler's List," has produced a magnificent documentary on the life and death of Anne Frank. It premiered at Alice Tully Hall, Lincoln Center Monday night June 5th. Unlike "The Liberators," which lost its standing as a documentary by relying on Leon Bass' spurious claim to have liberated Buchenwald, "Anne Frank Remembered" is careful of the facts and the evidence. The new documentary was produced in cooperation between the Anne Frank Center (U.S.) and the Disney Channel and makes use of pictures and interviews that present a much more human and also reliable picture of Anne Frank than that which is current. There are extensive interviews with persons who knew her, including especially Miep Gies (still very much alive), Berndt Elias - her only living relative... This is an extraordinarily important and powerful film. Jon Blair of London presented his "Schindler" at the international conference on Europe after the Holocaust held in Berlin in March 1994. "Anne Frank Remembered" will be on the Disney Channel Thursday night at 8:00 P.M. Unless I am very mistaken it will be a front candidate for "best foreign documentary" in the Academy Awards. Franklin Littell
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:07:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: 'Kristallnacht' or 'Pogrom'?
Editor Note: I was swamped with responses to the original post on the above subject. Nearly everyone said they were unaware that the term "Kristallnacht" was controversial. What follows are some of the substantive postings, including one from Avigail Abarbanel where she identifies her sources. As I don't think there is much to be gained from further discussion of this subject on the list, please communicate with each other in private if you feel you have more to add.
Jim Mott
Holocaus Editor
Thanks to all of those who are responding to my recent e-mail. I appreciate
your time and effort. Many argue that they are not aware of any controversy
or
difficulty with the term 'Kristallnacht'. Walter H. Pehle explains:
Yet it is clear that the term Crystal Night serves to foster a
vicious
minimalizing of its memory, a discounting of grave reality: such cynical
appellations
function to reinterpret manslaughter and murder, arson, robbery, plunder,
and massive property damage, transforming these into a glistening event
marked by sparkle and gleam. Of course, such terms reveal one thing in
stark clarity - the lack of any sense of involvement or feeling of sympathy
on the part of those who had stuck their heads in the sand before that
violent night.
With good reason, knowledgeable commentators urge people to renounce
the continued use of "Kristallnacht" and "Reichskristallnacht" to refer to
these
events, even if the expressions have become slick and established usage in
our language.
Pehle, W. H., 'Editor's Preface' in Pehle, W. H. (ed) _November 1938 From
Reichskristallnacht to Genocide_,Berg Publishers Inc., NY, 1991, pp.
vii-viii
(English edition)
Helmut Kohl is unsatisfied even with 'The Night of Broken Glass' and he
says:
"The name given to that occasion, 'the night of broken glass', is both
cynical and trivialising and conceals what really happened then."
Kohl H., 'Painful Questions' in Society, Vol. 23 No. 3, March/April 1989,
p.
7.
I am aware of the fact that this terminology is already established in Holocaust literature. This is precisely why I have a problem and why I have asked for your input. If I can't find an adequate substitute, I will have to resort, albeit reluctantly, to the available reservoir.
Looking forward to some more thoughts, ideas, comments, and criticism.
Regards,
Avigail Abarbanel
enercomp@ozemail.com.au
This is a significant issue within Germany; a visitor from [then West] Germany explained that some people had used the term Reichskristallnacht, indicating that it was a government-sanctioned event. Others used the term Reichspogromnacht, indicating that it was vistually identitcal to "historic" pogroms in Poland and the Ukraine, etc.
I would suggest that people direct their question to H-GERMANY as well as to colleagues WITHIN Germany to get a sense of the depth of feelibng on this issue.
It also has a bearing on the extent to which the speaker [i.e., in Germany] feels that current Germany has responsibility not only for the Holocaust "in general," but for the Night of Broken Glass in specific.
It seems to me that what term you choose is somewhat less important than *why.* If your teacher discourages the German term, perhaps it is out of respect for the victims and the realization that using the Germans' terminology may somehow seem to justify their actions. (Or at least give the perpetrators a voice in history which they should not be given.) It would certainly be accurate to call it a pogrom, and distinguish it via the date.
BUT, it is also crucial to remember that part of how the perpetrators of the Holocaust could do what they did was through the relentless bureaucratizing and "sanitizing" of language. We use the term, "The Final Solution to the Jewish Question" (always in quotes) to refer to the Holocaust in history books *precisely* to remind ourselves that THAT is what the Germans called it--and we should find it offensive that they did so. In the same way, perhaps your teacher finds the term *Kristallnacht* offensive. Use it. Offend. The thought that, in discussing such abusers of language as the Nazis, we cannot use terminology that pinpoints what we want to say is terrifying indeed.
Ginger K. Moore
gmoore8960@aol.com
I think Rob McCabe is a bit off the mark in his diatribe against so-called
"political correctness." The change from Kristallnacht to Reichspogromnacht,
which has taken place in Germany recently in some circles, is by no means an
attempt at not "hurting people's feelings." To the contrary, referring to
the
events of November 1938 as a pogrom is considered less euphemistic than
using
a term which refers to "crystal." Part of the problem may be that "The Night
of the Broken Glass," as it is often called in English, does not directly
translate "Kristallnacht," which does not carry the sense of brokenness. The
word "pogrom" seems quite to the point. In any case, either term seems
usable
to me.
--Michael Rothberg (mprgc@cunyvm.cuny.edu)
The term "Kristallnacht" or "Crystal Night" was invented by Nazis to mock and degrade Jews on that black November night in 1938. It struck the stormtroopers as extremely funny to describe shattered glass from the windows of Jewish stores and synagogues which glistened on the wet cobblestones as Jewish "crystals" or "diamonds". Thus, in its original context, Kristallnacht is an instance of the cynical perversion of language which characterized Nazi discourse.
Other generally recognized examples of Nazi Orwellianisms are Sonderbehandlung ("special treatment") for gassing victims, Euthanasie for a policy of mass murder of retarded or physically handicapped patients,"Arbeit Macht Frei" over the entrance to Auschwitz, and perhaps most cynical of all, "Endloesung der Judenfrage"(Final Solution of the Jewish Question) for what is now known as the Holocaust.
The unquestioning adoption of cynical and cruel linguistic perversions
invented by Goebbels to demoralize his victims and to amuse his crowd,
may be regarded as evidence of ultimate liberation from the
ruthless "realism" of the Nazis, or a profoundly disturbing self-mockery.
In either case, it is probably too late to erase Nazi coinages like
Kristallnacht and Euthanasie from common usage. One can only hope that
these degraded terms will acquire new and redeeming connotations in the
mouths of their intended victims.
michael thaler
Avigail,
I don't understand your problem with terminology. The word pogrom usually
denotes the experiences in Russia after 1882, and is either derived from
or spawned the Russian verb "pogromitz," "to destroy."
In the Russian experiences, pogroms were organized as an act of
scapegoatism in response to a loss in a war, fluctuation in international
grain prices, decline in value of gold ruble against the international
standard (after 1897), responses to revolution. They were usually planned
by anti-Semitic organizations, sometimes involvement of government
officials, but usually limited to one place. The tactics of pogroms
usually dictated arrival at railroad stations of outside agitators,
rumors of a pogrom, Jews going to police asking for protection,
reassurances by police there was no problem, an attack on Jews and Jewish
property, rapes, torn mattresses (ambiance of feathers all around, as in
Bialik's poem ("In the City of the Slaughter"), men dragged by horses.
Jews fight back, holligans go to the police and say they were attacked by
the Jews, police join in against the Jews.
"Kristallnacht," I think, was something bigger in a bigger scheme,
but still experimental and a response to Grynspan's assassination of Vom
Rath in Paris. It caused a lot of problems, with discussions of the
ramifications on the highest level.
How about "organized attack?"
Stephen Feinstein
About the "Kristallnacht" or "Pogrom" question:
I am no specialist in this issue either, but I don know that in Germany,
too, there are some worries about the replication of Nazi language, because
this is considered undue because of the (sometimes unconscious) implications
in it. "Kristallnacht" clearly was -and still is- an apologetic naming of
the event, it IS a euphemism of that kind which conceals the real
moral character of purposeful deed.
This is one side of the question.
On the other hand, avoiding the "original" term could lead to some
obscuring, too, nameling it would mean or at least facilitate hiding the
cynical part of the crime which only is revealed by considering the
presentation of the crime in public, maybe even Representation in the
perpetrators' minds. One has at least to CONSIDER the term used.
Therefore I would myself suggest to use BOTH terms, "pogrom" as academic term for classifying the event, for making clear what it really was, and "Kristallnacht" for reference to the specific occasion *in its cynical character*. The latter term should then be marked -e.g. by only using it in quotation- as used from a distance.
A third point is that only by *not totally* avoiding the "original" term used in the sources (and in earlier literature before the terminology question grew thus acute) one can ensure the connection of the own and further writings with the former considerations. History of historiography (of which every work of history should have a part) needs at least *some* connection in question of terms also.
I know there are much more sublte considerations to this, but I do think that this could be a way of considerate use of terms in this respect, of not blindly using the language of the perpetrators but also of not throwing it into oblivion out of this anxiety. The use of both terms and the marking of distance to the incriminate one may be a way of keeping up memory without going into the trap of it.
Regards
Andreas Koerber
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:12:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: INTERVIEW QUESTIONS
From: arieh.lebowitz < arieh.lebowitz@rex.com]
The Museum of Jewish Heritage, which has combined with a Holocaust Studies group in another borough a few years ago, the one headed by Dr. Yaffa Eliach, has copies of the last issue of Dr. Eliach's newsletter, which contained a series of "chapters" dealing with oral histories of survivors, how to-do them, etc. The address of the Museum is:
Museum of Jewish Heritage
342 Madison Avenue
New York, NY [I don't have the ZIP CODE handy]
212- 687-9141
ask if they can provide you with a copy, or at least the relevant parts.
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:27:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Holocaust memorials
From: Suzanne Vromen <vromen@bard.edu>
The whole work of James Young is about Holocaust Memorials. See his Texture of Memory, Yale Univ. Press ( I think). See also Vol.26 of Representations, an issue on Memory and Countermemory, which has Young's article on the Warsaw Ghetto Memorial. I think that he reprinted this article in his book Texture of Memory. The Jewish Museum catalogue is also outstanding. The whole exhibition was in fact curated by James Young. James Young teaches at U.Mass, Amherst, in the English department or in Judaic studies. Sorry for being so vague, but my Internet connection is far from my books and papers.
Suzanne Vromen, Bard College <vromen@bard.edu>
> From: Dr.Harriet Sepinwall < sepinwal@LIZA.ST-ELIZABETH.EDU >
>
>
> Susan Jacobson and others interested in Holocaust mmemorials
> should contact the Jewish Museum in New York. They had an
> exhibit (last summer?) on this topic and also published a
> book based on the exhibit; both were excellent. The exhibit
> raised many questions about the meaning of the memorials--
> both for those who put them up and for those who view them/
> experience them. Especially, I think, such memorials raise
> issues about the meaning of Holocaust education. I have
> used the exhibit book in my own work in Holocaust edcuation
> --both for my undergraduate classes and for teacher workshops.
> The memorials depicted are very effective in encouraging
> thoughtful discussion.
> Harriet Lipman Sepinwall
> College of Saint Elizabeth
> Holocaust Education Resource Center
> 2 Convent Road
> Morristown, NJ 07960
> sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
>
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:27:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Ship Struma,1942
From: tristram@NetVision.net.il
One year after the Patria affair, the Struma affair occured. In December
1941 the Revisionists bought a cattle ship which used to sail on the
Danube the name of the ship was Struma. 769 immigrants from
Romania were brought on board. The hope was that the ship will be
able to arrive at the Palestinean coast without being noticed by the British
naval guards, and that even if it will be cought, the British will allow the
immigrants to stay in Palestine after a short detention as it would only be
cought in the begining of 1942 and exactly then Britain was scheduled to
give the new immigrants quota.
The plan didn't work as the British discovered the ship before it even
left the port and announced that they would not allow it to reach
Palestine's coast. When the ship broke down on the way and barely
reached the port of Istanbul Britain put out tremendous pressure on the
Turkish government not to let the immigrants get off the ship and not to
supply it with food coal etc., that is why the engines were so hastily
repaired and in the day after it was dragged out of there into the Black
sea. Shortly afterwards the ship's engines broke down once again and the
day after it exploded probably either because it was hit by a torpedo sent
by a russian or a german submarine or because it hit a naval mine ( one of
the naval mines which were spread out in the Black sea during the war)
768 passengers drowned only one survived (David Stoliar/Stolyar)
>From that momant on the illegal immigration stopped until the liberation of most of Europe during 1944.(One ship arrived in September 1942 : Vitrol with 120 illegal immigrants.)
I am currently trying to find a book which handels only in the Struma affair I will let you know as soon as I fund it.
hope this helps (and if it does let me know),
David Knoll
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 12:25:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Student's reaction paper
From: Alexander Soifer < asoifer@ELEVEN.UCCS.EDU >
>From Alexander Soifer, University of Colorado <asoifer@mail.uccs.edu>
I for one am grateful to Professor Michaels for sharing with us a very special paper by one of his students. I was touched by it, and most of all by its subjectivity and sincerety.
I teach a broad variety of courses, from mathematics to history of film and
history of art, and in all of these courses I ask my students for
subjectivity in their talks and papers. Why?
First of all, because pure objectivity does not exist (personality,
beliefs and prejudices od a researcher are always present) and demanding it
in a classroom breeds hypocricy. Do you recall "In the Woods" by
Akutagawa and based on it Kurosawa's "Rashomon"?
Secondly, in my opinion, every science is an art to a high
degree, and we the scientists ought to be brillianlty subjective in our
research and teaching, we ought to recognize that our works are our
way to express ourselves. It is our job to pass to our students this
ability to be brilliantly subjective. We cannot teach it (you cannot
teach anything, for that matter) - but we can certaily create an
atmosphere for our students to learn it on their own by doing it.
Self-expression does not limit passing knowledge and critical thinking to
be sure.
As to "I prohobit the use of the word 'I' in my argumentation and
critical thinking papers", in view of the above I can only say, please
don't! It would be silly if it were not so dogmatic.
Alexander Soifer
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:30:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Eichmann/Kastner/Kaltenbrunner
From: tristram@NetVision.net.il
I came across a book by proffessor Yehuda Bauer from the Institute of
Contemporary Jewry, Hebrew University, Jerusalem who is charechterized by
many as an expert on Hungarian Jewry during the holocaust He is now the
editor
in chief of the "Holocaust and Genocide" periodical the book is called
"Jewish Reactions to the Holocaust: Rescue Attempts, Unarmed and Armed
Resistence" (published in Hebrew by the ministry of defence 1983)
I thought part of chapter 21 may be of help to you.
"...When the negotiation with the Germans stopped in the end of Brand's
mission
there was still preparedness among the Germans the S.S men and the Americans
(although very restrictively) to continue the negotiations on the rescue of
Jews. The obvious tendency of the S.S was to establish a connection with
the
U.S. through the medium of contact concerning Jews, this in order to
negotiate
seperately for peace. Based on the documentation we have today it was
established undoubtably that this was the situation in the summer of 1944.
It begins with meetings which are held in Budapest between Kastner and a new
character whom Himler sends to Hungary first to direct economical
negotiations.
This character is Kurt Becher a Nazi officer who lives today in Germany and
is
extremely wealthy. Becher is no doubt a war criminal and served in 1941 in
units
which murdered Jews in the U.S.S.R. He confescated for the S.S. The Manfred
Weiss factories... ...Becher was in charge of the confescation. It was in
result
of his contact with the Weiss family that he reached direct contact with
Kastner. This is important because already in July 1944 when the
deportations
from Hungary had stopped, Eichman left Hungary at least temporarily. from
now
on
the negotiations aren't directed through Eichman alone but also through
another
element which has direct access to Himler. Here we are already completely
certain that the contact is with Himler himself. Becher searched on Himler's
behalf and with Kastner's Help a Jewish figure from abroad to negotiate
with
him. Kastner offered Sally Meir the Joint representative in Switzerland...
[I ommited the part were Bauer describes how Meir was forbidden by the Joint
to
offer any money or merchandise to the Germans and how he was told by the
Swiss
that they wouldn't allow any Jew released for bribe to enter Switzerland]
..When he arrives at the border Kastner tells Sally Meir:...If you don't
have
merchandise or money there is nothing to negotiate. The two sides stood on
the
bridge between Switzerland and Austria in St. Margarten negotiating when the
Nazi demand came : willing to release Jews only for merchandise Meir replies
positively inspite of all the instructions he was given. He wants to know
what
merchandise they want? he informs the Nazis decisively that so long as they
continue to murder there is nothing to negotiate. They have to stop the
murder
immidiately and not only in Hungary as Kastner asked but completely in all
parts of Europe which are still under Nazi rule in August 1944.
The Nazi's are very impressed with Meir's attitude and Becher's report to
Himler
is very positive. The Nazis are under the impression that they are
negotiating
for merchandise and money while Meir knows he has nothing to offer. Thus
began
negotiations which saved many of the few who survived in Europe.
The negotiations which began in August 1944 in Switzerland between Sally
Meir
and the S.S officer Kurt Becher Himler's representative and his assistents
carried on until February 1945. The negotiations had their up's and down's
and
Kastner continued to take part in them. By looking at the documents we find
out
that as a result of the begining of these negotiations Himler ordered his
men
in Budapest not to deport the city's Jews to Poland. Therefore it could be
said
that the rescue of the Budapest Jews has to do (if to under estimate the
importance of it) with the negotiations of Sally Meir.
On August 21 and again in December in two shipments the train which Kastner
organized arrives from Bergen Belsen to Switzerland. This is Meir's
condition
to start the negotiations and to continue them later on.
The Nazis brought to the Vienna region for their own purposes 15,000-17,000
Jews
from Debrezen region in Hungary. they were brought with their families
The translation is mine I appologize for any errors which might have
occured.
If you can reach any book by Bauer (or you might be able to reach him) that
would probably be the best as he is very objective and an expert in the
field
of the Hungarian Jewry Holocaust
If I may add something you write of a certain report by Kastner you should
know
that Kastner was no angel and that telling the truth was not one of his
virtues.
Moreover Kastner was trialed and found guilty for several alleged crimes the
judge Justice Levi quoted in his rulling Faust and wrote "Kastner sold his
soul
to the devil" although Kastner was cleared from most of the allagations that
Grunwald made against him by the supreme court of Israel in a wide tribunal
he was convicted at one allagation that he gave a false affidavit to the
allied
forces after the war clearing Becher of any crime he had been accused of and
thanking him in the name of the Jewish people. Kastner's report as you quote
it
here seems to be positive towards Becher.If that report you are writing
about
is indeed that affidavit (I don't remember exactly but I think it has to do
with
the Nurenberg trials) you should know that it was determined false.
hope this helps (and let me know if it does...),
David Knoll
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:30:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: SCHINDLER'S LIST VIEWERS' GUIDE AVAIL.
From: Arieh.Lebowitz < arieh.lebiwitz@rex.com >
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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:35:00 CDT
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: FW: Student's reaction paper
From: Suzanne Vromen <vromen@bard.edu>
I also teach the Holocaust course here at Bard College in the sociology
department. I do not
ask for reaction papers per se to the readings though I ask for informed
reflections.In some way, my purpose is not only to elicit emotion but to
impart knowledge and develop critical thinking. Therefore, for example, I
ask for a comparison between Night and Survival in Auschwitz and extracts
from Different Voices and The Survivor.
The only problem I have with this course is finding a historical account
complete but not too detailed. I have used Dawidowicz's The War against
the Jews, and also Leni Yahil's The Holocaust. The latter is extremely
detailed. Do you have a suggestion for a basic text giving the major
historical facts not too superficially, and appropriate to bright
undergraduates?
Suzanne Vromen <vromen@bard.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 15:50:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Gedenkdienst
From: Ernest Heppner < ernsth@aol.com >
I read with great interest the material written on this organization by
Thomas Ortner.
The end of this months Gedenkdienst will sponsor a conference in Salzburg
titled: Flucht nach Shanghai (flight to Shanghai). My book "Shanghai Refuge,
a Memoir of the World War II Getto, (University of Nebraska Press, 1993) was
the first documented non-fiction work by a survivor. I have been invited to
speak on this subject and, since I have been very impressed by the people of
the Gedenkdienst I have accepted the invitaton and to speak at this
conference. I'll try to respond to anyone who has question regarding this
little know period in Jewish history.
ernest (Ernest G. Heppner, Indianapolis)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 16:35:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: definitions of Zuchthaus & Gefaengniss
From: Ernest Heppner < ernsth@aol.com >
I believe I answered the query from Mr. Wm. Thomas but unintentionally
addressed the reply to him directy.
My Langenscheidt, ed. 1929, defines Zuchthaus as a correctional institution,
a Gefaengniss as a jail or prison.
Hope that will help you.
ernsth (Ernest G. Heppner, Indianapolis)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:52:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: note of thanks
From: William M. Thomas < wmthomas@STRAUSS.UDEL.EDU >
This is just to say THANKS to all those who responded to my Zuchthaus/Gefaengnis and archaeology queries. The help was greatly appreciated.
Will Thomas
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William M. Thomas
wmthomas@strauss.udel.edu
Dept of History, U of Delaware
The illiterate of the future will be ignorant of
the use of camera and pen alike.
--Laszlo Moholy-Nagy
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:47:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: offline
From: RJPrys < RJPrys@AOL.COM >
Hi, Folks:
I've been offline for about a week or so. If any of you has tried to get in touch with me or has posted messages to the list that directly or indirectly refer to me or my "posted ideas," would you please be kind enough to send me your messages? Thank you!
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:22:00 CDT
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": Voelkerverschiebung und der Mord an den
europaeischen Juden
From: Maid Marian < marion.grau@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE >
Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": Voelkerverschiebung und der Mord an den
europaeischen Juden.
(Final Solution: The moving of peoples and the murder of the
European Jews) Frankfurt 1995 446pp, 48 Dm
Goetz Aly has published on Auschwitz before. This is his newest book, and was reviewed in Die Zeit recently. I will summarize this review here.
Aly thesis is that there is a close connection between the Holocaust and
the "Umvolkungspolitik" (the forced relocation of peoples) in Eastern and
South Eastern Europe. Aly says that Heydrich and Himmler first planned to
move the Jewish population to some sort of reservation until late fall
1941. He shows that this policy of relocation failed totally and that
Ghettoization and relocation of Jews to the "General gouvernement" were
no final solutions but the part of a plan of relocation to Madagaskar
some place "in the East". Aly talks of a two-track concept for slower but
steady biological annililation that was intended. The officials of the
Nazi regime used a euphemistic language for the murder if Jews that had a
real background somewhere in some state of planning. He says, however,
that there is absolutely no reason to make things *better than they were*
but that they was intentional inimaginabel cruelty already in the
deportation programs, which would have ended in the total annililation of
the Jewish people anyway. Military problems made them abandon reservation
plans for "local solutions" while other military groups went about
liquidating Jewish women and children.
Aly's contribution to the discussion whether the decision for the
Endloesung was Hilter's alone. He repeatedly warns to overestimate
central influence on the decisionmaking, he stresses the presonal
involvement of *order-receivers* and their independent interaction with
the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (HIghest office of security). He claims
that it does not make sense to look for a special order by Hitler but
argues that the general ideological frame of the system was hitler's
contribution to the Holocaust.
ALy concetrates in this book on the years of 1939 to 1942 and does not
offer a complete account of the Holocaust.
More interesting stuff later
Marion Grau
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:37:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Holocaust memorials
From: Rochelle Genia Saidel Plonski < rgsaidel@USP.BR >
from Rochelle G. Saidel <rgsaidel@usp.br> Regarding memorial museums and the politics behind their creation: A new book by Edward Linenthal, Preserving Memory: The Struggle to Create America's Holocaust Museum (Viking 1995)
My book about the nearly 50 years of efforts in NYC to create a memorial/museum will be out from Holmes & Meier in early 1996. Title (which still may change somewhat) is Never Too Late to Remember: The Political History of New York City's Holocaust Museum Project.
Rochelle G. Saidel
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:37:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust history reading
From: Dr.Harriet Sepinwall < sepinwal@LIZA.ST-ELIZABETH.EDU >
Like many others, I find that Wiesel's Night is an important book to
use in studying the Holocaust. I also use Martin Gilbert's maps of
the Holocaust as a way of placing the individual testimonies of
Wiesel and others in a context which students need. While Gilbert
does have a larger atlas, I use the ADL publication THE HOLOCAUST
: MAPS AND PHOTOGRAPHS by Martin Gilbert befc because it is
inexpensive (less than $6.00 for one copy with group discounts
available for classes) and provides what my students find of
importance in their study. Martin Gilbert has also written
a book callede THE HOLOCAUST which Suzane Vromen might want to
check out for the "historical account" she seeks. Still, Martin
Gilbert's historical maps are highly recommended for anyone
studying the Holocaust.
Harriet Lipman Sepinwall
College of Saint Elizabeth
Holocaust Education Resource Center
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:57:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Call for Authors
From: Samuel Totten < STOTTEN@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU >
Samuel Totten, Stephen Feinberg, and William Fernekes are editing a
volume tentatively entitled Teaching the Holocaust: Critical Essays,
and are soliciting proposals from prospective authors. The volume
will be published by Allyn and Bacon.
The book will address all aspects of Holocaust Education, particularly
as it applies to grades 5-12. Interested authors should submit a
detailed (2-3 pages should suffice), typed proposal in which he/she
clearly delineates the focus and unique aspects of his/her proposed essay.
Please send proposals to: Dr. Samuel Totten, University of Arkansas,
College of Education, 107A Peabody Hall, Fayetteville, AR 72701.
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:57:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Rule: Buchenwald Money
From: Connelly, William < wconnelly@USHMM.ORG >
The attached bibliography of materials in the
USHRI Library on the topic of "Money in the
Concentration Camps" is in response to the posting
requesting information about money from
Buchenwald.
With Regards,
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| WCONNELLY@USHMM.ORG |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| William Connelly |
| U.S. Holocaust Research Institute Library |
| 100 Raoul Wallenberg Pl., S.W. |
| Washington, D.C. 20024-2150 |
| Voice (202) 479-9717 |
| Fax (202) 479-9726 |
|______________________________________________|
The opinions expressed herein are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of my
employer, or anyone else for that matter.
BOOKS ABOUT MONEY IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
in the collection of the
U.S. Holocaust Research Institute Library
Washington, D.C.
June 8, 1995
Author: Stahl, Zvi.
Title: Jewish ghettos' and concentration camps' money (1939-1945) /
Zvi Stahl ; translated from Hebrew, Rebecca Sternberg.
Published: London : D. Richmond Books, 1990.
Description: 103 p. : ill. ; 23 cm.
Control #: ocm22876654
Notes: Includes B&W photographs.
93may
Subject(s): Concentration camps--Economic aspects.
Money.
World War, 1939-1945--Prisoners and prisons,
German--Economic
conditions.
Jews--Segregation--Economic aspects.
Ghettos--Economic aspects (USHMM)
Author: Campbell, Lance K.
Title: Prisoner-of-war and concentration camp money of the
twentieth
century / by Lance K. Campbell.
Published: Port Clinton, OH : BNR, 1989
Description: 144 p. : ill. ; 28 cm.
ISBN: 0931960282
Control #: ocm20985531
Notes: 92may
Subject(s): Concentration camps--Economic aspects.
Prisoners of war--Economic conditions.
World War, 1939-1945--Prisoners and prisons,
German--Economic
conditions.
Money.
Jews--Segregation--Economic aspects.
Ghettos--Economic aspects (USHMM)
End of Listing.
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:47:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Interview questions
From: nrwhite < nrwhite@VAXT.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU >
Jerry, In Melbourne Australia the Jewish Holocaust Museum has been engaged
in this kind of work for many years. I am not directly invovled, but I
suggest you .write to the
Coordinator,
Survivor Testimony Project
Jewish Holocaust Museum
Selwyn St
Elsternwick
Victoria
AUSTRALIA 3185
bEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR WORK, Naomi
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:52:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Student's reaction paper
From: Stephen Feinstein < feins001@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU >
For a basic text, I have always found Yehuda Bauer's HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST published by Franklin Watts the most user friendly. Stephen Feinstein
> From: Suzanne Vromen <vromen@bard.edu>
>
> I also teach the Holocaust course here at Bard College in the sociology
> department. I do not
> ask for reaction papers per se to the readings though I ask for informed
> reflections.In some way, my purpose is not only to elicit emotion but to
> impart knowledge and develop critical thinking. Therefore, for example, I
> ask for a comparison between Night and Survival in Auschwitz and extracts
> from Different Voices and The Survivor.
> The only problem I have with this course is finding a historical account
> complete but not too detailed. I have used Dawidowicz's The War against
> the Jews, and also Leni Yahil's The Holocaust. The latter is extremely
> detailed. Do you have a suggestion for a basic text giving the major
> historical facts not too superficially, and appropriate to bright
> undergraduates?
>
> Suzanne Vromen <vromen@bard.edu>
>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:47:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Ship Struma,1942
>From: tristram@NetVision.net.il
>
>One year after the Patria affair, the Struma affair occured. In December
>1941 the Revisionists bought a cattle ship which used to sail on the
>Danube the name of the ship was Struma. 769 immigrants from
>Romania were brought on board. The hope was that the ship will be
>able to arrive at the Palestinean coast without being noticed by the
British
>naval guards, and that even if it will be cought, the British will allow
the
>immigrants to stay in Palestine after a short detention as it would only
be
>cought in the begining of 1942 and exactly then Britain was scheduled to
>give the new immigrants quota.
>The plan didn't work as the British discovered the ship before it even
>left the port and announced that they would not allow it to reach
>Palestine's coast. When the ship broke down on the way and barely
>reached the port of Istanbul Britain put out tremendous pressure on the
>Turkish government not to let the immigrants get off the ship and not to
>supply it with food coal etc., that is why the engines were so hastily
>repaired and in the day after it was dragged out of there into the Black
>sea. Shortly afterwards the ship's engines broke down once again and the
>day after it exploded probably either because it was hit by a torpedo sent
>by a russian or a german submarine or because it hit a naval mine ( one of
>the naval mines which were spread out in the Black sea during the war)
>768 passengers drowned only one survived (David Stoliar/Stolyar)
>
>>From that momant on the illegal immigration stopped until the liberation
>of most of Europe during 1944.(One ship arrived in September 1942 :
>Vitrol with 120 illegal immigrants.)
>
>I am currently trying to find a book which handels only in the Struma
affair
>I will let you know as soon as I fund it.
>
>hope this helps (and if it does let me know),
>
>David Knoll
Recent research in the Russian archives indicates that it was a Soviet submarine that sunk the Struma. British pressure on the Turkish government to send the ship back into the Black Sea is documented in Stanford J. Shaw, Turkey and the Holocaust (Macmillan/NYU Press, 1992), pp.281-3. See also Avneri, From Velos to Taurus, pp. 314-5. Stanford Shaw
Stanford J. Shaw sshaw@ucla.edu Professor of Turkish and Judeo-Turkish History University of California Los Angeles, CA, 90024
There was also a Rumanian Jewish woman who survived. Since the event she
intentionally never wanted to be identified. It is true there was great
british
pressure on Turkey not to help the passengers... The boat either passed a
Russian laid land mine or it was (accidentally) shot at by Russians. If you
read Hebrew I can suggest to you numerous titles...
Yitzchak kerem
mskerem@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il
On Struma see the chapters in Dalia Ofer, Escaping the Holocaust, Oxford,
1990 There is also something more recent on which I will send a note in a
day or
two. P L Rose
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:47:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Student's reaction paper
From: ajacobs@interaccess.com (Alan Jacobs)
You wrote:
>From: DClemens < DClemens@AOL.COM >
>
>I understand the theory behind reaction papers but I disagree with it.
> Often
>they encourage students to have opinions before they have knowledge. Your
>student's paper illustrates why I prohibit the use of the word "I" in my
>argumentation and critical thinking papers. Did your student come away
with
>knowledge about the Holocaust, or with a vaguely confused glance in the
>mirror? I believe that the facticity of the Holocaust surpasses the
>imagination's ability to conceive it. When asked "what would you have
>done?"
>I think you will find out more about young peoples' own narratives and
>characterizations of themselves than you will about their rational grasp of
>events (the effect of the Holocaust on the imagination of those really
>touched by it is another question).
Dear Dr. Clemens,
With all due respect, I couldn't disagree more; for two reasons. The first is that if nothing else, the teacher gets a look at the EFFECT of holocaust teaching on his students. They will inevitably personalize it. There is just no way out of this with "no I" restrictions. Second, how can you expect then to have anything but, as you say 'a vaguely confused glance in th mirror". That is the nature of early contact with this material. It is better to acknowlwdge it, I think, than to pretend that we can do more during early contacts. Most will have these impressions, mostly generated by fear and revulsion. Some few will go on to know more. Perhaps that is all we can really hope for. That many of us see it as the central historical event of the 20th century does not abbrogate this fact.
I found thatv young woman's story very moving. She needed to express it to her teacher. And I think she will go on. I remember a survivor I interviewed and came to know well, Adolph Gawalewicz, author of "The Anteroom To The Gas Chamber", said, in response to a question I had about teaching : "Jacobs, you will never be able to do it with more facts and figures and pictures of endless heaps of bodies. The only way you will do it is with images". And it is this young womans images that will remain with her. She shpould not be discouraged from having the=m in favor of a more, as you say, "rational grasp".
Alan Jacobs
Psychotherapist
Visiting professor
Independent genocide reseacher
Filmmaker (re: Auschwitz)
Writer (social psych on autocratic power)
Banning "I" in argumentation and critical thinking papers may be both silly
and dogmatic, however, it proved marvelously effective at improving student
papers once I started doing it. The prohibition in no way lessens belief or
prejudice (I try to moderate those with principles of general semantics and
logic), but it does force the writer to provide warrants and evidence, to
expose the basis of his/her belief to scrutiny. Otherwise, students spend
the whole paper writing about "I" instead of about the subject. One of my
recent students delivered an angry rhetorical question: Why did the Jews
submit passively because he sure wouldn't and they would never take him and
he would rather go down fighting, etc., etc. He was passionate, but he
showed that he knew next to nothing about the Holocaust although he thought
he knew a lot about himself! Objectivity is an ideal but objective reality
is not. Certainly you did not mean by your Akutagawa example that there was
no event in the forest clearing, only that there is difficulty in knowing it
perfectly. But I hope that you would agree that some versions of the
reality
that does exist are more reliable than others (that's why this list exists,
to bring our knowledge into the closest possible correspondence with "how it
was").
Suzanne Vrommen asks:
>>Do you have a suggestion for a basic text giving the major historical facts not too superficially, and appropriate to bright undergraduates?<<
I recall that this issue has come up before on the list. I myself have
struggled with this problem. This semester, I ordered, as an optional text,
Gilbert's _Atlas of the Holocaust_, which seemed to do the trick for at
least
some of the students. Previously, I've used his text _Holocaust_, but I
recall that some of the students found the abundance of anecdotal history a
bit too much (though others found the accumulation of such history to be
very
informative, moving, and so on).
On the matter of reaction papers, I'll wait until I review some previous
posts before I decide to respond (I use reaction papers rather extensively
in
my classes).
A good post, Suzanne!
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Suzanne, I have found Hilberg's *Destruction of the European Jews*
student edition very helpful and have combined it with Gilbert's *The
Holocaust* (selected portions) and Dawidowicz's *A Holocaust Reader*.
For the rest, Primo Levi, Wiesel (*Night*), *Ordinary Men*, Rubenstein's
*Cunning of History* and on occasion Serenyi's *Into That Darkness*.
I use other texts depending on the focus of the course (there are two
Holocaust courses here) and always require the students to listen to or
view at least three complete interviews. This sets up the prospect of
discussion and writing about the relative virtues and pitfalls of written
and oral texts. As for personal reactions: I have on occasion asked
students to write about specific portions of different texts or even
specific passages and discourage emotional response. It remains
difficult for any student, I think, to react without emotion, but how
does one evaluate such writing? Bad papers plague all of us; bad
Holocaust papers create indescribable dilemmas of evaluation. Someone
may react to *Night*, for example, with deep and sincere compassion, but
have missed the themes and misunderstood Wiesel's style and purpose, not
to mention be unable to connect his work to that of others.
If you would like information on how to attain some of the interviews
housed here but available with transcriptions, contact Barb Kriigel,
email: bkriigel@ml-f1.umd.umich.edu
Best of luck.
Sid Bolkosky
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:12:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Student's reaction paper
From: Becket Franks <tbecket@eagle.ibc.edu>
Alan Jacobs has hit the bull's eye when it comes the reactions of students!
As a teacher, counselor, and pastor, it is "images" that have worked best with adolescent and post-adolescent people in my classes on scripture and ethics. AND, in the tenth richest county of the U.S., I can't help but share that it is IMAGES to the student and from the student that we have education, learning, and intimacy.
If a student can walk away with one, one impression of that horrible moment of WWII, that we as educators have been successful.
For my class, arranging for a a visit of SCHINDLERJUDEN, and asking the students for reaction papers have proved to be successful. How? They have met history, a history that has been and will be repeatable since humans have not learned how to care for the "different-than-I-in-the-world."
Peace.
T. Becket A. Franks
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:17:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: material on Nazi propaganda film
From: Bjorn Krondorfer < bkrondor@LAB1.SMCM.EDU >
Does anyone on the H-Holocaus list know of material on historic background and film criticism of the two Nazi propaganda films "The Eternal Jew" (Der ewige Jude) and "Jew Suess"?
Both films are as videocopies available in our library (ordered as resource material for Holocaust classes), and although I know about the nature and intent of these films, I would like to read more about its production, background, directors, audience, and read informed film criticisms (not just reviews). If anyone can hlep me locate resources, I would appreciate it.
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:38:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jonathan Morse <jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Subject: Re: material on Nazi propaganda film
In-Reply-To: <2FD8C9B9@msmailgw.spss.com>
An old but useful overview is David Stewart Hull, _Film in the Third Reich: A Study of the German Cinema 1933-1945_ (University of California Press, 1969). Hull devotes a 3-page discussion to the production history of _Der ewige Jude_ and 14 pages to _Jud Suess_.
Jonathan Morse
Department of English
University of Hawaii at Manoa
jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:39:24 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Ron Zweig <ron@rambam.tau.ac.il> Subject: Re: Ship Struma,1942
In-Reply-To: <2FD8A5FB@msmailgw.spss.com>
May I (immodestly) add one more reference to the Struma story: my own "Britain and Palestine During the Second World War" has a two chapters on illegal immigration to palestine during those years, and a detailed account fo the Struma incident.
Ron Zweig
Tel Aviv University
ron@rambam.tau.ac.il
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:40:40 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: material on Nazi propaganda film
In-Reply-To: <2FD8C9B9@msmailgw.spss.com>
For information on Hippler and the Eternal Jew and the jew Suess, contact Judith Doneson, Visiting Prof. of Jewish Studies, Washington University, St. Louis. Judith recently lectured about the Eternal Jew in Minneapolis. She noted it was a box office flop. However, Jew Suess had some of the largest audiences in German box office history, and was mandatory for members of the SS and Einsatzgruppen before "actions." Interesting also is that Eternal jew incorporates actual footage from the American made "House of Rothschild" as example of how Americans deal with the Jews. Hippler was interviewed by Bill Moyers several years ago--Hippler may still be alive. Hippler then mentioned he did not think the film would be used in such a propagandistic way. The show was on PBS about nazi Propaganda. Prof. Doneson has written "American Film and the Holocaust." Stephen Feinstein
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:30:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Pope John XXIII Angelo Roncali
Dear Listmembers,
I am a longtime admirer of John XXIII and often hoped that he would be
beatified or canonized.But there is a sobering fact of which we should all
be
aware:
Even Archbishop Angelo Roncalli, the future saintly Pope John XXIII, then apostolic delegate at Istanbul, felt ambivalent about allowing Jews to immigrate to Palestine. Roncalli was at the time perhaps the Vatican hierarch most aware of the tragedy of the Nazi murder of millions of Jews, and one among only a handful of diplomats who actually did something about it. Yet he did not want Catholic charity to lead to the Jewish control of the Holy Land. He was disturbed by the possibility of increased Jewish immigration, writing to Maglione during the war that "I admit that the idea of seeing the Holy See concern itself with helping Italian Jews escape to Palestine where they could build a Jewish state arouses in my mind a kind of anxiety. . . . It does not seem good to me that a simple act of charity by the Holy See may encourage the possibility of or give the appearance of a collaboration, even indirect, in the establishment of a messianic dream. This may be perhaps only a personal qualm . . .. The reconstruction of a Jewish state can never amount to anything more than a utopian dream." [Blet, Actes et Documents, 9:469, see also 9:185-6.]*
Collegially,
Bob Michael
rmichael@umassd.edu
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:35:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
From: Ernest Heppner < ernsth@aol.com >
Permit me to respond to those subscribers who discussed the terms used for
the events of November, 1938.
On the morning of November 10, 1938, when the S.S. rounded up Jews in our
neighborhood, I jumped out of the window of our second story home and was
not
among the odd 30,000 men sent to one of three concentrations camps. After
visiting the ransacked home of my brother I went downtown (in the city of
Breslau) to see the flames shooting out of the dome of my synagogue. The
rest
of the day I hid in a steel boiler located in a scrapyard.
During the research for my book "Shanghai Refuge" Nebraska University Press,
1993, (the first and only documented non-fiction account by a survivor of
the
Shanghai Ghetto) I learned about Goerings meeting on November 12, with high
level party officials. It was during this meeting that Goering, in an
attempt
to divert public attention from the destruction of our temples and
synagogues, focused on the materialistic aspects, the broken glass, and
"prettyfied" this "Aktion" (action) by calling it "Reichskristallnacht".
The
foreign press picked this term up from the controlled German press. In
checking, I discovered that most historians across the world have called
this
most vicious progrom in the history of the Jewish people, THE NOVEMBER
POGROM.
You will find a detailed description of the events of this pogrom in my book
in a chapter suitably titled: The November Pogrom. I have began to inform
the
American Jewish community of this term and I am happy to report that several
institutions and organizations have adopted this universally used term. As
soon as possible I intend to upload to this list a flyer explaining my
effort
in greater detail and would greatly appreciate your assistance.
I have asked many of my Jewish as well as non-Jewish friends how they would
react if they would wake up one morning to find their houses of worship
destroyed and this event was called "the night of the broken glass." --
"Most
obnoxious", don't you think?
ernsth@aol.com <Ernest G. Heppner>
6930 North Delaware St.
Indianapolis, IN 46220-1032
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:35:00 CDT
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: Re: Gedenkdienst
From: Stephen Feinstein < feins001@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU >
Four years ago, the University of Minnesota's China Center sponsored a two day conference on the Jews of China. It included several sessions on escape to Shanghai. The proceedings were published by University of Minnesota Press, edited by Pat Needle. U of M Press, Mpls. MN. 55455 Stephen Feinstein
> From: Ernest Heppner < ernsth@aol.com >
>
> I read with great interest the material written on this organization by
> Thomas Ortner.
> The end of this months Gedenkdienst will sponsor a conference in Salzburg
> titled: Flucht nach Shanghai (flight to Shanghai). My book "Shanghai
Refuge,
> a Memoir of the World War II Getto, (University of Nebraska Press, 1993)
was
> the first documented non-fiction work by a survivor. I have been invited
to
> speak on this subject and, since I have been very impressed by the people
of
> the Gedenkdienst I have accepted the invitaton and to speak at this
> conference. I'll try to respond to anyone who has question regarding this
> little know period in Jewish history.
> ernest (Ernest G. Heppner, Indianapolis)
>
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:55:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Search for professors
From: Brenda Katz < UUMY03A@mail.prodigy.com >
I am inquiring as to whether anyone knows of a way to locate a list of all the professors who teach college level courses on the Holocaust and World War II. If anyone has this information, could you please let me know?
Thanks,
Brenda Katz
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:15:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: material on Nazi propaganda film
From: Ron.Frydman < ron.frydman@diamond.galis.ucla.edu >
Good summary can be found in Film Progaganda: Svoiet Russia and Nazi Germany
by Richard Taylor, published by Croom Helm, London, Barnes, and Noble. c.
1979
Listed under Wandering Jew (Der Ewige Jude)
has sections on analyssis, credits, Goebeels, use in the Netherlands, etc,
Ron.Frydman@diamond.galis.ucla.edu
Ronald Frydman
Robert Frost Middle School
12314 Bradford Place
Granada Hills, CA 91344-1918
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:15:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: material on Nazi propaganda film
From: Ron.Frydman < Ron.Frydman@diamond.galis.ucla.edu >
Good summary can be found in Film Progaganda: Svoiet Russia and Nazi Germany
by Richard Taylor, published by Croom Helm, London, Barnes, and Noble. c.
1979
Listed under Wandering Jew (Der Ewige Jude)
has sections on analyssis, credits, Goebeels, use in the Netherlands, etc,
Ron.Frydman@diamond.galis.ucla.edu
Ronald Frydman
Robert Frost Middle School
12314 Bradford Place
Granada Hills, CA 91344-1918
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:11:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Pope John XXII
From: Robert Michael < RMICHAEL@UMASSD.EDU >
The papacy again showed little response to anti-Jewish violence engendered by the so-called Shepherds' Crusade, the riots against the Jewish communities of southern France and Arag97n in 1320.1 Already hostile to Judaism, which he regarded as an "error and depravity of Jewish blindness" and "a damnable perfidia," "a filthy Jewish superstition,"2 John XXII, the Avignonese pope, seemed interested in saving Jewish property and Christian lives, but not Jewish lives during this crisis. On 19 June he hesitantly asked the archbishop of Narbonne to compel the shepherds only to desist from killing Christians and from plundering Jewish goods. The pope also did not specify any punishment for those who violated his wishes, an indication of the directive's weakness. Later that month, John recommended stronger measures against the shepherds to the archbishop of Toulouse but seemed more concerned with the "danger that results from the behavior of riotous mobs" who are acting "prematurely," before King Philip V authorized Crusade. Pope John issued a concurrent letter to the seneschal of Toulouse, suggesting spiritual and secular force be employed against the shepherds; the pope expressed concern that excesses against the Jews and their property could harm the king of France, since he could no longer exact taxes from the Jews should Jewish property be destroyed. On 9 July, following Augustine's dictum that the Jews were the Witness People, the pope reminded the Christian secular authorities in France that Jews should be "defended since they bear witness to [the validity of] the Catholic faith." Even here, however, John did not specify any penalty for noncompliance with his directives. By the end of July, the pope again noted "the blindness of Judaism" and his "detestation of the old Jewish treachery."3
In September 1320, when the shepherds were suppressed, Pope John authorized another assault on the Talmud for blasphemy and error. Noting "the damned initiatives of the perfidious Jews," he ordered that "the plague and deadly diseased weed [of Judaism] must be pulled out by its roots." The notorious Franciscan Inquisitor Bernard Gui4 (c.1261-1331) was authorized to place the Talmud on trial again, since, as John insisted, Christians must be kept away from the Jewish pestilence. The Talmud must be examined, and if blasphemies were found therein, it must be burned, and both judaized Christians and Jews were to be punished according to canon law. Found guilty of blasphemy, the books of the Talmud were burned in Toulouse and Perpignon. John also took advantage of the Jews' vulnerability at this time and sent special preachers to them in the papal cities of southern France, hoping for mass conversions. When the Jews still refused baptism, their synagogues were destroyed, and they were sent into exile. Citing "the elimination of the filthy Jewish superstition and replacing it with the worship of the Lord, the Holy Virgin, Mother of God, and the Saints," the pope himself supplied funds to build churches on the sites of the razed synagogues.5
1There had already been a less extensive Shepherds' Crusade c. 1250,
when the papacy was also silent. The shepherds were called
pastoureaux in French, pastorelli in Italian.
2Simonsohn, History, 30.
3Simonsohn I, docs. 302-8.
4He proclaimed himself "Inquisitor into the perverse heresy and
perfidy of the Jews in the realm of France sanctioned by the Apostolic
See." Simonsohn, History, 345.
5Simonsohn I, Documents 302-9, 312-14.
(C) 1994 by Robert Michael
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:56:34 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Michael Thaler <mmt@itsa.ucsf.EDU> Subject: Re: Holocaust memorials
In-Reply-To: <2FD886F3@msmailgw.spss.com>
The most complete volume on Holocaust memorials,art and other forms
visual representation is DEPICTION AND REPRESENTATION. THE INFLUENCE OF
THE HOLOCAUST ON THE VISUAL ARTS by Ziva Amishai-Maisels, published by
Pergamon Press, 1993.
michael thaler
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:58:17 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jodi Berls <Jberls@aol.com> Subject: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
Marion Grau wrote:
>Aly thesis is that there is a close connection between the >Holocaust and the "Umvolkungspolitik" (the forced relocation of >peoples) in Eastern and South Eastern Europe. Aly says that >Heydrich and Himmler first planned to move the Jewish population >to some sort of reservation until late fall 1941.
I realize you're quoting someone else's thesis, not your own, but I would be curious to know how this author explains the fact that mass shootings had begun well before "late fall 1941." Babi Yar, for example, occurred in mid-September, and the commanding officer of Einsatzgruppe A reported in January 1942 that between July 23 and October 15 his units had killed 135,567. This doesn't sound like a "resettlement" to me. I realize that in many cases the rhetoric used to justify these acts referred to putting down "partisan activity" or was called retaliation for attacks on German soldiers (as in the case of Babi Yar). But those seem to me like pretty thin disguises for early forays into the Final Solution.
Jodi Berls
jberls@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:04:04 CDT
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From: Jerzy Halbersztadt <HALBERUW@PLEARN.BITNET>
Subject: The conference on the KL Gross-Rosen
On 8-9 June I took part in the conference "The Nations of Europe in
the KL Gross-Rosen" in Polanica, ca. 60 km from Gross-Rosen. In KL Gross-Rosen and in more than 100 subcamps at Lower Silesia, Saxony and Sudeten 120,000 inmates were kept. Out of them 40,000 died. The inmates were Jews (50%), Poles (20%) and representatives of other 20 nations.
The conference was held in Polish, English and German. There were 15 papers presented (in Polish) including:
Barbara Sawicka (Museum Gross-Rosen) - The Transports of Inmates from
the Nazi prisons in the occupied Poland to the KL Gross-Rosen, Aleksandra Kobielec (Museum Gross-Rosen) - The Jewish Inmates in the
KL Gross-Rosen and its Subcamps, Bella Gutterman (Tel-Aviv University) - Everyday Life of the Jews in the
Gross-Rosen Subcamps as Reflected in their Cultural and Creative
Activities,
Isabell Sprenger - The Jewesses from Hungary in the KL Gross-Rosen, Alfred Konieczny (Wroclaw University) - The Inmates of the "Nacht und
Nebel Aktion" in the KL Gross-Rosen, Hans de Vries (State Institute for War Documentation, Amsterdam) - The
Citizens of Holland in the KL Gross-Rosen, Karl-Hainz Graefe (Dresden) - The Subcamps of the KL Gross-Rosen in
Saxony.
Other papers informed on the results of the research of inmates of KL Gross-Rosen from Soviet Union and from the districts of Cracow, Radom, Bialystok, Lodz and Poznan.
I cannot report on new exciting discoveries, but the factual material presented during the conference was elaborate and useful. The papers shall be published in future (with German and English versions, too). It is very important, because the bibliography of KL Gross-Rosen is less than unsatisfactory. The only Polish monograph of Gross-Rosen was written in sixties (by Mieczyslaw Moldawa). It is outdated (IMHO) and the next editions of last years are not much better. Few memories of survivors cannot substitute scholarly works.
The State Museum of KL Gross-Rosen published in last years few short publications (ca. 25-70 pages each) in German (there are no English translations), as follows:
B.Cybulski - Aussenlager des KL Gross-Rosen im Eulengebirge, 1986,
K.Halgas - Dyhernfurth II, Aussenlager Gross-Rosen, 1994,
A.Konieczny - KL Gross-Rosen, 1994,
A.Konieczny - Das Kommando "Wetterstelle" im KL Gross-Rosen, 1994,
A.Konieczny - Frauen im Konzentrationslager Gross-Rosen in den Jahren
1944-1945, 1994,
P.Kruszynski - Die unterirdischen Bauten im Eulengebirge und auf Schloss
Fuerstenstein, 1989,
In Polish there are other publications (brochures) including: A.Kobielec - Wiezniowie Zydzi w KL Gross-Rosen, 1993, A.Kobielec - Filia Obozu Koncentracyjnego Gross-Rosen, Arbeitslager
Bruennlitz (it was the factory of Oskar Schindler evacuated from
Cracow), 1991,
Ksiega zmarlych wiezniow KL Gross-Rosen, czesc I (the list of ca. 9,000
inmates, who died in KL Gross-Rosen and whose names are known),
1992, 339p.
The video film on KL Gross-Rosen "Kamienne echa" (Echoes of
Stones) with English, German, French, Hebrew, Czech and Russian language versions is available in the museum.
The address of the museum is:
Panstwowe Muzeum Gross-Rosen
ul. Starachowicka 9a
58-300 Walbrzych
Poland
tel. (+48 74) 778-21
tel./fax (+48-74) 779-38
Jerzy Halbersztadt, University of Warsaw, and the Director of the Polish Program of the United States
Holocaust Memorial Museum (Washington, DC.)
01-682 Warszawa
Kiwerska 16/8
tel/fax (+48 22) 33-79-21
e-mail: halberuw@plearn.edu.pl
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:05:24 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Stephen Gluck <SteveMSK@aol.com> Subject: Re: Jewish-German Dialogue and Memorials
Excuse me for not givinging you a completed reply in my original post. Some years ago I started a "Second Generation" Group at a local synagogue. The groups main purpose was to act a kinship group and explore similar experiences growing up in a home where the parents were Holocaust survivors. During the period when the group was seeking a cohesive bonding a referral was made to the group. A German woman journalist was working on a book about confronting the generation of her parents. I believe the book was called "What did you do during the war, Daddy". The journalist, wished to meet her Jewish counterparts whose parents had been the victims of her parents' generation.
The group agreed to meet with her and I was to be the facilitator. The meeting was strange to say the least. The young woman first felt the need to explain that her father was part of the German equivalent of the USO and therefore, bore no responsibility for any atrocities. Further, she told the group how horrible it was in Hamburg after the war seeing so may people who were missing limbs suffered either as combatants or as civilian casualities. She told the group that one of her grandparents had died in the bombing and that another had been gravely injured.
One of the group responded how strange it was that she (the journalist) had grandparents, since most of the group had no grandparents. This dialogue went on for two hours and nothing was ever accomplished, except for the fact that several months later this encounter became an article in national magazine that the journalist was working for.
My wife is a 2-G and no one not even myself can understand fully what it is like to grow up in a home where the parents are survivors. The Epstein book is probably the best on the subject.
Stephen M. Gluck MSW CSW
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:42:31 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Froma I. Zeitlin" <FIZ@PUCC.BITNET> Subject: Re: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:35:00 CDT from <jimmott@spss.com>
I haven't come in on the discussion about the nomenclature of Kristallnacht before this last posting, because I agreed with those who saw no reason to change the name or to expect that an effort to do so would be successful. But I would like to point out that whether or not the name came into existence as a Nazi euphemism or not, the event itself and what it has come to signify has transformed an 'innocent' name into one of unforgettable and dramatic meaning. The term is permanently out of circulation for any other use whatsoever. Can you imagine us now using 'Kristallnacht' to refer to some street riot or another, no matter how extensively the streets were littered with broken glass? Certainly not. Moreover, what disturbed the German populace was less the sight of synagogues burning (fires take place all the time, after all -- it depends on the scale) than of the savage and wasteful vandalism that confronted bystanders everywhere, disrupting the clean and orderly streets (to say nothing of consumer convenience). What was indeed memorable was the sheer quantity of broken glass. A third point was the economic outcome of this massive breakage. Germany didn't produce enough plate glass to repair the damages (synagogues did not have to be replaced -- quite the contrary). The result was twofold: the need to import glass from Belgium (for sorely needed cash) and the outrage of indemnifying the Jewish community to pay for the damages. So the broken glass came to assume yet another outrageous dimension in the wake of the event.
Even if a substitute term were to be proposed, "November pogrom" in my opinion seems quite inadequate. In the first place, why assimilate the old to the new? The historical similarities in certain respects are not sufficient to outweigh the differences between Kristallnacht -- its eventual aims as well as its scope -- and the pogroms of Eastern Europe. Why 'normalize' Kristallnacht in this way? and what does it help to qualify it by the use of 'November'? Why should a month of the year signify anything of great emotional impact? When the Nazis launched their destructive drive to annhilate the remaining Jews in Poland in the fall of 1943, they didn't call it by the names of the months (October, November, etc) but rather "Erntefest," or Harvest Festival. While this may have been a code word, it had the same grim and terrible irony that is reflected in Kristallnacht as in so many other instances of the perverted uses of language in the Third Reich. But if these various names were used as 'covers' or 'euphemisms,' they remain in the mind precisely because they are examples of vivid, memorable rhetoric. This is why they are so easily adopted, why they are so persistent, regardless of the original intent of those who coined them. Think for example of the "Iron Curtain" and its immediate and widespread acceptance.
In sum, there are many excellent reasons to retain Kristallnacht, and none, as far as I can see, to substitute the bland and non-referential "November Pogrom."
Froma I. Zeitlin
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:43:17 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Adam Reed <avr@mttec.mt.att.com> Subject: Re: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
The real issue in pleas to avoid the term "Reichskristallnacht" in favor of some variation on "November pogrom" has to do with with whether the behavior of the overwhelming majority of the German nation during the Shoah had its roots in German national traditions. Historians in countries occupied by Germany during the war tend to see the Final Solution - the fact that the greatest orgy of mass murder in the history of the world was meticulously planned, bureaucratically organized, and carried out with industrial precision - as quintessentially German in its combination of insanely atavistic goals and purely but perfectly instrumental rationality. To safeguard against its repetition, Germany was expected to reform its national civilization, returning to the liberal humanism of Kant, Leibnitz, and Goethe from the side-track of Wagner and Bismarck.
In a recent conversation with a German graduate student, I found a different interpretation. According to him, the "Hitler-time" was a short period during which Germany veered from its own ethos into "eastern" (he probably meant Slavic, although he did not say so) "barbarism". Antisemitism? It was a foreign import, first into Austria from Galitzia and other eastern provinces, then carried into Germany proper by "White" Russian refugees from the Bolshevik revolution. According to this thesis, the Nazis' phantasmagoric ideology was not German at all, but - shades of blaming Poland for the death camps Germany had built on Polish soil - an import from the East. It was a foreign growth that never took root. German civilization had nothing to do with it, and its course - including Wagner et al - needs no change.
Which brings us to the question of names. Reichkristallnacht, like Final Solution, is a recognizable product of the German tradition of bureaucratic euphemisms. It is and sounds German. "Pogrom", on the other hand, is clearly a Russian or Polish import. I have thought about the implications of this piece of linguistic revisionism, and I think "spin".
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:44:01 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: James Pierre <james@Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE> Subject: Re: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
Although this topic has been very well discussed, I just thought I would add that I have spoken to some German academics working on the problems of fascism and Antisemitism, and they informed me that the term "Kristallnacht" is not used in Germany, rather they use "Reichsprogromnacht" for many of the reasons we have already covered.
Pierre James
Philipps Universitaet Marburg
james@mailer.uni-marburg.de
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:45:12 CDT
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From: Samuel Totten <STOTTEN@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU>
Subject: Book on Teaching the Holocaust (in progress)
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I am currently working on a book tentatively entitled Teaching the Holocaust: C ritical Essays (Boston: Allyn and Bacon). One of the chapters is tentatively en titled "Teaching the Holocaust at the College and University Levels in the Unit ed States." I would be interested in hearing from anybody who is teaching such a course as well as a copy of his/her syllabus. We plan to highlight as many di fferent programs as possible.
Along the same line, does anyone have any idea as to where my co-editors a nd I could locate a list of those Holocaust courses currently being taught in t he U.S.?
Anyone interested in submitting a proposal for the book should send me a 2-
3 page detailed proposal at: Samuel Totten, University of Arkansas, College
of Education, 107A Peabody Hall, Fayetteville, AR 72701. My direct phone # is 5
01-575-6677. The focus of the book will primarily be on teaching the Holocaust
in grades 5-12. The aforementioned chapter is one of only 2-3 exceptions to tha
t "rule."
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:09:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust/Genocide Project
From: Simon Bromberger <S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk>
Dear Colleagues,
I am attaching information about a nonprofit, international educational effort, the Holocaust/Genocide Project (HGP) -- a telecommunications endeavor which is administered by the International Education and Resource Network (I*EARN).
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:57:30 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Myrna Goldenberg <myrnag@umd5.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Book on Teaching the Holocaust (in progress)
In-Reply-To: <HOLOCAUS%95061308482960@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
I am teaching a course on Holocaust literature at a community college, a
state university, and a private elite university (in the adult ed grad
school ) and would like to send you a proposal and my syllabi. When is
the deadline -- I will be participating in the June seminar in Jerusalem
on Holocasut and gender won't be back until mid July.
Myrna Goldenberg, Ph.D.
Professor, English Dept, Montgomery College, MD
Adjunct, U Maryland, Baltimore County, Baltimore, MD
Adjunct, The Johns Hopkins Univ, School of Cont Studies
myrnag@umd5.umd.edu
On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Samuel Totten wrote:
> I am currently working on a book tentatively entitled Teaching the Holocaust:
C
> ritical Essays (Boston: Allyn and Bacon). One of the chapters is tentatively
en
> titled "Teaching the Holocaust at the College and University Levels in the
Unit
> ed States." I would be interested in hearing from anybody who is teaching such
> a course as well as a copy of his/her syllabus. We plan to highlight as many
di
> fferent programs as possible.
> Along the same line, does anyone have any idea as to where my co-editors
a
> nd I could locate a list of those Holocaust courses currently being taught in
t
> he U.S.?
> Anyone interested in submitting a proposal for the book should send me a
2-
> 3 page detailed proposal at: Samuel Totten, University of Arkansas, College
> of Education, 107A Peabody Hall, Fayetteville, AR 72701. My direct phone # is
5
> 01-575-6677. The focus of the book will primarily be on teaching the Holocaust
> in grades 5-12. The aforementioned chapter is one of only 2-3 exceptions to
tha
> t "rule."
>
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:58:39 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jim Levie <NL314@aol.com> Subject: WWII POWs..
My uncle was an American POW held captive in Stalag Luft One in Germany. He was a 2nd Lt in the 446th Bomb Group (H). His B-24 went down over Holland September 26, 1944.
He was hidden by Dutch resistance people for a few days, but was ultimately captured by German forces. After several days of interrogation in Frankfurt, he was moved to prison camp Stalag Luft 1. There he remained until liberation by Russian units.
Recently I have learned that orders had been prepared in Berlin that directed camp commanders to execute Jewish POWs. This information was confirmed by a friend and author, Harold E. Jansen, a Dutch historian. (Harold has devoted much time and effort in writing about various U.S. bomber groups...their missions, their people, the events shaping their histories. I believe some of his family members and family friends were part of the Dutch resistance during the war....they were very active in helping Allied airmen hide from Germans)
I would be happy to hear from anyone in regard to this topic.
Jim Levie
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:00:01 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Andrew Quinn <asq@computek.net> Subject: Looking for Ph.D. program in Holocaust Studies
Can anyone direct me to a PhD program in either psychology or social psycholgy that would let me make the study of the holocaust my specialty?
thank you
Andrew Quinn
asq@computek.net
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:01:32 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Maid Marian <marion.grau@student.uni-tuebingen.de> Subject: Re: Stuttgart conference
In-Reply-To: <2FD35488@msmailgw.spss.com>
On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Mott, Jim wrote:
> From: Dr.Harriet Sepinwall < sepinwal@LIZA.ST-ELIZABETH.EDU >
>
>
> Among the attendees at the Stuttgart, Germany conference was
> Peppy Margolis, the Holocaust education coordinator for the
> Federation of MetroWest (NJ). As the child of survivors, she
> was invited to attend this conference to meet with the children
> of Nax Nazis in an effort at "reconciliation". If anyone would
> ;like to contact Peppy, she can be reached on Tuesdays and
> Thursdays at 201-884-4800, ext. 178 (she has no e-mail).
> Harriet Sepinwall
> sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
>
Since I am writing a paper on the church and Jews in Stuttgart after 45,
I would like to ask you what kind of conference this was and if there is
anything in print on it. Or mayb you can give me some information.
That would be very nice!
Thank you for your time.
Marion Grau, Tuebingen, Germany
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:03:36 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jerry Rosenberg <JROSENBE@UA1VM.UA.EDU> Subject: Holocaust Text
Suzanne, Hilberg has a college edition of his book The Destruction of the Europ ean Jews that is in paperback and covers basic factual history. Many years ago Yad Vashem published a book called The Holocaust that was a good concise look at the major events. Friedman's Never to Forget is a good paperback, and in recent years, the Holocaust Memorial Council and the Museum in Washington have been publishing commemorative books for Yom Hashoah and all of them contained an excellent essay on that years events as well as an excellent chronology. In all the various books I have used in my classes, depending on the specific approach I was using in the course, the books were either overly detailed or not detailed enough. I now use a basic history text on the Holocaust along with another primary text, e.g. Approaches to Auschwitz, by Rubenstein and Roth and Holocaust, by Yahill or the Yahil book and Survivors, Victims and Perpetrators, edited by Dimsdale in my advanced Psychology seminar on the Holocaust. The approach and theme of your class and your goals for the students should guide your choice of texts, and while I am always concerned with the cost of books for students, a good book, carefully selected and used, is seen by most students as a good investment.
On another issue, the reaction paper that has produced so many interesting reactions to it, in a much earlier posting on this list I described using, as part of all my exams, a State of the Mind Question, which asked the students to tell me about their reaction to the material being covered and how the class and I are doing in developing the learning environment and how they are doing in their learning and understanding of the material and have any questions been raised that have not been or may not be asked in class. The responses, as a rule were very personal, informative and helpful in working with that particular student and the class as a whole. It also served as an excellent means for students to have an outlet for their concerns, frustrations and emotions. That part of the test was not graded but I did give each student some response to what they wrote. The material covered in classes on the Holocaust is rarelly reaction free, and giving the students a means to share that reaction, grade free, along with those questions aimed at assessing the knowledge and understanding and communication and thinking skills has proven to be an excellent format. Jerry Rosenberg, Dept. of Psychology, The Univ. of Alabama
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:04:59 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Charles Fishman, SUNY Farmingdale" <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.BITNET> Organization: FROM SUNY FARMINGDALE, NY 11735 Subject: Ktav Publishers--query
Does anyone have the address &/or phone or fax # for Ktav Publishers handy? Ktav has just released a new book of Holocaust poems by Blu Greenberg, and I'd like to obtain a copy for review, toward possible use of this work in my new anthology, _On Broken Branches: World Poets on the Holocaust_.
Thanks for your help.
--Charles
Knapp Hall * * * "Those who are alive receive a mandate SUNY Farmingdale * from those who are silent forever." Farmingdale, NY 11735 --Czeslaw Milosz ``````````````````````````````` '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:06:14 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: John Conway <jconway@unixg.ubc.ca> Subject: Revelations from Auschwitz
Comments: cc: for acting Director <wconnelly@ushmm.org>
This morning I read with some astomishment a report written in today's _Wall Street Journal_ by Fred R.Bleakley, Staff Reporter, entitled "An Unsung Hero of Auschwitz is Honored by a New York College". This article refers to the awarding, yesterday, of an Honorary Degree at Union College, Schenectady, New York to Mr Ceslav Mordowicz, now resident in Toronto.
The article states that Mr Mordowicz was responsible for revealing the secrets of Auschwitz, and further claims that, because of this testimony, the Vatican petitioned Hungary to stop deportations of Jews to Auschwitz. The reporter gives as the source of his information a Dr Stephen Berk, history professor at Union College.
One can only regret that the _Wall Street Journal_ did not pursue its investigations more thoroughly before printing this misleading item. Or perhaps Dr Stephen Berk is insufficiently acquainted with the actual course of events in Auschwitz and Hungary in 1944.
The facts are as follows:
The first eye-witness account of conditions in Auschwitz was brought out by two men, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, who escaped from the camp on 6 April 1944. This was seven weeks before they were followed by two further escapees, C.Mordowicz and his partner Ernest Rosin, now living in Dusseldorf, Steinergasse 3, Germany. Vrba and Wetzler together composed a 60 page report, commonly known as the Vrba-Wetzler Report, or the Auschwitz Protocols, which was given to the members of the Slovakian Jewish Council in Zilina on 27-28 April, and subsequently sent to Hungary to warn the Hungarian Jewish population of its imminent danger. In June 1944 copies of this report were smuggled out to Switzerland and made great headlines in the press there.
This was the first and most detailed account which broke the secrets of Auschwitz.
A further copy was given to the Apostolic Delegate in Slovakia, as a result of which a member of his staff, in mid-June, interviewed Rudolf Vrba, along with C.Mordowicz who had by that time reached Slovakia, and whose testimony could provide additional details to the original Vrba-Wetzler Report.
It is unclear how much of the information from this interview was relayed immediately to the Vatican, and even less clear what factors induced Pope Pius XII to despatch a public telegram to the Regent of Hungary, Admiral Horthy at the end of June. It would be presumptuous to believe that this step was taken on the initiative of Mr Mordowicz alone.
The details of these events are fully described in R.Vrba - I cannot forgive_, London 1963 and later editions, and have also been analysed in my article "The First Report about Auschwitz", _Simon Wiesenthal Center Annual_ Vol 1, 1984, pp 133-151, and subsequently in ed. R.Braham _The tragedy of Hungarian Jewry_,Columbia University Press, New York 1987, pp 1-48. This information is also contained in the printouts supplied by the Wexner Learning Center, U.S.Holocaust Memorial Museum, under the title "Auschwitz Protocols".
The facts are clear. The chief credit for revealing the secrets of Auschwitz is due to Alfred Wetzl;er and Rudolf Vrba. The former has since died, but Dr Vrba is presently Associate Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Pharmacology, Medical Sciences Building, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z3, Canada.
A copy of this will be sent to the Editor of the _Wall Street Journal_. Or can someone supply his/her E-mail address?
John S.Conway, Dept. of History, UBC, Vancouver V6T 1Z1,
B.C.,Canada
jconway@unixg.ubc.ca
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:56:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Simon Wiesenthal Center Library & Archives Holocaust FAQ
From: Bernard Kouchel <koosh@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Is now available on the Holocaus fileserver and gopher. It has been updated from what was there previously.
get holocaus faq
2) Gopher: The address is
Research
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H-Net
Holocaus
Jim Mott
Holocaus Editor
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:50:04 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org> Subject: I*EARN's Holocaust/Genocide Project
Dear Colleagues,
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:53:06 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Simon Wiesenthal Center Library/Archives <simonwie@CLASS.ORG> Subject: Film Screening at Simon Wiesenthal Center
List readers in the Los Angeles area are invited to a private screening of "Before the Rain" the hightly acclaimed film from Macedonia by Milcho Manchevski on Tuesday, June 20, 1995 at 7:00pm. The special guest speaker will be Phil Alden Robinson, Director of Field of Dreams and other films.
Admission:
Members: $20.00
Non-Members: $25.00
Screening and Membership: $55.00
Seating is limited, please RSVP to Lori Cofsky: 310-553-9036, ext. 206
Paul H. Hamburg
Reference Librarian
Simon Wiesenthal Center Library
9760 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035-4792
TEL: 310-553-9036, ext. 292
FAX: 310-277-5558
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:58:49 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Rossino, Alexander" <arossino@ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
Subject: Re: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
Author: Alexander Rossino
Date: 6/14/95 9:34 AM
This is in reply to Jodi Berls' inquiry about the
place of mass shootings and other "early forays
into the Final Solution" in Gotz Aly's explanation
of Nazi Umvolkungspolitik. Aly places the actions
of the Einsatzgruppen and other units in the
occupied territories of the USSR within the
general realm of Umvolksungpolitik by noting their
'contribution' to the depopulation of the eastern
territories. Here he argues that the Nazi
hierarchy was following what could be called a
two-track policy which focused not only on moving
populations but also on eliminating them. Aly and
Suzanne Heim are both proponents of the 'economy
of the Holocaust' notion which blames the impetus
for the Holocaust on the desire of Nazi
middle-level bureaucrats to create the basis for a
new German imperial economy based on the
controlled availability of labor and the full
employment of German labor in the occupied
territories. According to Heim and Aly, many
German bureaucrats involved in the development of
plans for the post-war German empire saw the
burgeoning populations of Eastern Europe as a
hindrance to the efficient and effective
exploitation of conquered territories. To
Heim and Aly, their were simply too many worthless
mouths to feed.
This is an interesting viewpoint which
requires more analysis, but there are
problems with it that unfortunately downplay the
role of outright radical racism for the killings.
Many historians, including myself, believe that
while there may be some truth to their argument
it raises significantly more problems than it
answers, including most obviously the fact that
Germany always lacked labor which forced them to
import workers from all over the continent. Their
failure to address this places in doubt the
efficacy of their main contentions. I hope this
answers your question.
Alexander B. Rossino
Historian
arossino@ushmm.org
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:47:27 CDT
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From: "William M. Thomas" <wmthomas@strauss.udel.edu>
Subject: Re: WWII POWs..
In-Reply-To: <950612202920_69430316@aol.com>
Reading the IMT trials, I came across documentation of actrocities against/murder of Allied POWs. Since that wasn't what I was looking for, I didn't note anything down about that, but if you look at Vol. 23 (which is the index for the trials), they should be listed in some form. . .
Hope this helps,
Will Thomas
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William M. Thomas
wmthomas@strauss.udel.edu
Dept of History, U of Delaware
The illiterate of the future will be ignorant of
the use of camera and pen alike.
--Laszlo Moholy-Nagy
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:48:12 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Diane Rabson <rabson@meeker.UCAR.EDU> Subject: Re: WWII POWs
For Jim Levie:
Regarding your question about the treatment of Jewish POWs by the Nazis, you should consult Mitchell Bard's book, "Forgotten Victims: The Abandonment of Americans in Hitler's Camps" [c. 1994, Westview Press, Boulder, CO]. It's a very interesting study of what happened to certain American POWs, mostly Jews but non-Jews as well, who did not end up like Hogan's Heroes. As I recall, he also discussed the fury that the Germans had twoards American bomber pilots. My dad and I got interested in this after we examined his dog tags, which had an "H" on them to connote "Hebrew." That "H" got quite a few men in trouble, and according to the book, is still in use on Army dog tags.
Diane Rabson
Boulder, Colorado
rabson@ncar.ucar.edu
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:49:05 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: WWII POWs..
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Mark Hertz, a downed B-24 pilot who now lives in St. Paul was held in a pow camp in Breslau and then was on a forced march, which he recently called a death march to Berlin in early 1945. Only a fraction of the original numbers survived. If you are interested in more, advise. Stephen Feinstein
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:52:01 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jonathan Morse <jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Subject: Re: WWII POWs..
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About Jim Levie's inquiry about plans to execute Jewish prisoners of war held in Germany:
Sonny Eliot, a print and TV journalist in Detroit in the seventies, has written about his experiences as a POW. As I recall the article in the _Detroit Free Press_, Eliot said that one day, out of the blue, all prisoners in his camp were ordered to identify themselves by religion. On the advice of a Christian chaplain, Eliot called himself a Lutheran, and he credited that lie with saving his life.
I haven't been in touch with Detroit myself since the seventies, but I believe someone else on lists Holocaus or Antisem has mentioned a recent retelling of Eliot's story.
Jonathan Morse
Department of English
University of Hawaii at Manoa
jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:53:59 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Joan Edelstein, San Jose State University" <DRJOANE@aol.com> Subject: Re: Search for Professors
One way to get info on University Professors who teach Holocaust/WWII history would be to get on a faculty list. There is an NFN (National Faculty Network list) through LISTSERV@JTSA.EDU. You can also check out other internet lists.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:05:39 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jim Mott <U15607@UICVM.BITNET> Subject: Re: Revelations on Auschwitz
From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Dr. Conway,
Your information is correct. I don't know about the Mordowicz
story. Dr. Stephen Berk is a prof of Russian History at Union College and
is a regular on the UJA circuit. You could get his exact address through
the Vancouver Jewish Federation if Union College does not have an address
book.
Best--
Stephen Feinstein
It would not hurt for you to familiarize yourself with just how totally Vrba discredited himself at the ground-breaking Zundel Trials in the 1980s in Toronto. If I were you, I'd read up on that because you'll be amazed.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:06:37 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Richard Prystowski, Irvine Valley C." <RJPrys@aol.com> Subject: Re: Student's reaction paper
I'd like to add my two cents to the discussions concerning the use of personal reaction papers and the use of "I" in a paper. Let me begin with the latter issue.
As someone who has taught college writing for almost fifteen years, I can say without question that, in the main, the best papers that I receive are those in which students write from personal experience. In such papers, they cannot help but use the pronoun "I." Though I could write for a long time explaining the data that I have evaluated and that have led me to my conclusions, I'll say just two things here: 1) Students seem better able to deal with issues (seemingly) "outside" of themselves after they have grappled with these issues in terms of what the issues mean to them personally. 2) One can certainly use the pronoun "I" in a paper that is analytical and that presents sound or strong arguments (witness the philosophical writings of Peter Singer, for example, or any number of other analytic philosophers). Personally, I try to avoid presenting to my students the notion that a first-person narrative is necessarily less objective than is a third-person narrative; that notion strikes me as being logically invalid.
Concerning the use of personal reaction papers: Though I've struggled (and continue to struggle) with this one, I feel strongly that I cannot ask students to write a personal reaction paper and then restrict what they say, save for asking them not to use foul language, ethnic slurs, and so on (that is, save for asking them not to use such language unreflectively). At this point, I feel that such papers serve a good purpose, but that they ought to be evaluated on a pass/no pass basis (they would pass were they to fulfill the needs of the assignment). In such a circumstance, these kinds of papers would constitute part of a student's grade (5 acceptable papers needed for the student to receive an "A," for example, everything else being equal).
If I've misunderstood some of what is at stake in these discussions, please let me know. As I've mentioned in another post, I was off-line for about a week.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:09:30 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Maid Marian <marion.grau@student.uni-tuebingen.de> Subject: Re: material on Nazi propaganda film
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More material o Jud Suess and Der ewige Jude follows:
Knille, Friedrich: Jud Suess: Filmprotokoll, Programmh. (?) und Einzelanalysen
Lowry, Stephen. Pathos und Politik: Ideologie im Spielfilm des NAtionalsozialismus. (probably of American provenience)
Haasis, Hellmut G. ed.: Relation von dem TOd des Joseph Suess, seel. Gedaechtnus: Fuerth/Stuttgart1738 / Salomon Schaechter. Nach dem Verlust des Originals in einer alten Uebersetzung aus dem Jiddischen unveraendert. (this seems to have been a Jewish reaction on the death of Joseph Suess Oppenheimer)
Gerber, Barbara. Jud Suess: Aufsteig und Fall im fruehen 18. Jahrhundert; ein Beitrag zur historischen Antismitismus- udn Rezeptionsforschug
Ahren, Yitzhak, Horns, Sitg; Melchers, Christoph B.: "Der ewige Jude": wie Goebbels hetzte: Untersuchungen zum NAtionalsozialistischen Propagandafilm
Knilli, Friedrich, ed. Der elektronische LIteraturbericht: Das Datenbankprogramm "Jud Suess, Juden und Medien".
haasis, Helmut G. Joseph Suess Oppenheimers Rache: Erzaehlung, biographischer Essay, Dokumente aus der HAft und dem Prozess.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:10:17 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Lucia Ruedenberg <lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Subject: Student's reaction paper
In-Reply-To: <2FD75580@msmailgw.spss.com>
in view of the discussion on student's reactions to Holocaust material, and the thread on interviewing as well, I would like to share some material that describes the work of Dan Bar-On here at Ben Gurion University, who has taught student seminars on the "psycho-social effects of the Holocaust on the 2nd and 3rd generations." In the introduction to his student readers (of student papers) he describes his teaching process in detail, which includes interviewing survivors and their families. The issue of 'working through' one's own reaction to the material that emerges in the interviews is a crucial part of the seminar. I think his work is an interesting case of how one can encourage both emotional and intellectual learning processes.
There are two readers from 1991 and 1994 (in Hebrew). The introduction to each one has been translated into English. they are substantial, though not humungous, and I don't want to post them to the list without permission. But I believe many of you would find them as interesting as I do!
would there a place to archive them on the holocaus server for listers to get if interested?
lucia ruedenberg
lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:12:02 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Paul Lawrence Rose <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> Subject: Re: Ship Struma,1942
In-Reply-To: jimmott AT spss.com -- Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:47:00 CDT
The other item I had in mind is a a memoir of the Revisionist illegal aliya ships - much neglected in the orthodox historiography - by Ludmila Epstein (Jabotinsky's niece, I believe): Before the Curtain Fell, Misdar Jabotinsky/Shamgar Press, rel Aviv, 1990. P L Rose
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:12:49 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Froma I. Zeitlin" <FIZ@PUCC.BITNET> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
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I have to say that the theory about the work of the Einsatzgruppen just aired on this posting has got to be even more diabolical than some of the usual 'excuses.' Aside from the important point that was made about the need for Germany to IMPORT labor, due to chronic shortages during war time, the onslaugh t of the murder squads in the Baltic countries was so ferocious and unrestricte d that virtually the entire pool of skilled craftsmen (Jews) who serviced the entire area were wiped out.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:13:28 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Paul Lawrence Rose <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> Subject: Re: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
In-Reply-To: avr AT mttec.mt.att.com -- Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:43:17 CDT
I agree with Adam Reed's observation that to replace of K-nacht with Nov. Pogrom derogates from the German specificity of the event. Most historians would also tend to use "Final Solution" - another German coinage - without worrying about so employing Nazi terminology. Of course, K-nacht was a pogrom of sorts, but it was a German event and more specifically still, a Nazi event. Replacing it with pogrom certainly sets it in the larger context of antisemitic massacres in European history, but it loses the German and Nazi contexts. And as Reed implies, the use of an "Asiatic" term like pogrom only contributes to the Nolte view that the Holocaust emerged out of Asiatic-cum- Jewish ideas implemented by the Soviet revolution, rather than having to be understood within the context of German history itself. P L Rose, Penn State U.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:26:30 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Gabrielle Tyrnauer <gtyrnaue@moose.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Contemporary Holocaust Poetry
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----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I once read a poem entitled "Auschwitz", which I have never seen again. The last line was something like "a legacy for (haunted?) children, caught forever in its bitter trammels." Does anyone know who wrote it (I remember it was a woman) or where it was published?
Gabrielle Tyrnauer, Ph.D.
Associate Director
Refugee Research Project
McGill University
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:27:22 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Myrna Goldenberg <myrnag@umd5.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Ktav Publishers--query
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Ktav 's address - 900 Jefferson Street, Box 6249 HOboken, NJ 07030-7205. They're quick to respond.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:29:53 CDT
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From: "Marion F. Deshmukh" <MDESHMUK@VMS1.GMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: material on Nazi propaganda film
In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:15:00 -0500 (CDT)"
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Another source on film would be David Welch's books--his first (Oxford U Press) has a filmography with summary plots and other production information.
Marion Deshmukh
Dept. of History
George Mason University
Fairfax, VA 22030
e-mail: mdeshmuk@gmu.edu
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:32:18 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Howard Gershen <howard@boxhill.com> Subject: Re: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
In response to postings by Adam Reed and Paul Rose:
What about just calling it the "Kristalnacht Pogrom", thus indicating the German origins and making the link to the earlier events in the Pale?
Howard Gershen
howard@boxhill.com
P.S. Why did Adam Reed refer to "pogrom" as an "Asiatic" term? The Pale was wholly within European Russia.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:34:18 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Becket Franks <tbecket@eagle.ibc.edu> Subject: Re: Student's reaction paper
In-Reply-To: <950613150738_94104576@aol.com>
As regards to "reaction papers," I am wondering if INTEGRATION PAPERS aren't more appropriate for the topic of the HOLOCAUST.
For example, when I assign an integration paper in a junior year college-prep course, it is usually after a number of topics. The purpose of the paper is to react to a statement by writing a thesis and supporting it through the use of class lecture/discussion materials.
In my opinion, the paper remains academic and yet subjective.
If I do any type of reaction papers, it is in form of a journal. We read some and discuss some and then we write some in a journal. The journals are collected and then they are marked as pass/fail.
The integration papers can be graded: was there complete use of class material or not. This, in my opinion, is a workable criterium.
It has worked well on many social issues in my class. I am going to make a second attempt at the same assignment this fall on the topic of the HOLOCAUST and SCRIPTURE.
T. Becket A. Franks
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:36:30 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
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Mr. Heppner's description is consistent accounts of how the Nazi's
misused words. They were especially adept in the art of using the
euphenism. Heppner's remarks are very
important and I think demonstrate that Kristallnacht does have continuity
with the pogrom concept, yet was unique in its scope in that it was national.
Thanks for this clarification.
Stephen Feinstein
> From: Ernest Heppner < ernsth@aol.com >
>
> Permit me to respond to those subscribers who discussed the terms used for
> the events of November, 1938.
> On the morning of November 10, 1938, when the S.S. rounded up Jews in our
> neighborhood, I jumped out of the window of our second story home and was
> not
> among the odd 30,000 men sent to one of three concentrations camps. After
> visiting the ransacked home of my brother I went downtown (in the city of
> Breslau) to see the flames shooting out of the dome of my synagogue. The
> rest
> of the day I hid in a steel boiler located in a scrapyard.
> During the research for my book "Shanghai Refuge" Nebraska University Press,
> 1993, (the first and only documented non-fiction account by a survivor of
> the
> Shanghai Ghetto) I learned about Goerings meeting on November 12, with high
> level party officials. It was during this meeting that Goering, in an
> attempt
> to divert public attention from the destruction of our temples and
> synagogues, focused on the materialistic aspects, the broken glass, and
> "prettyfied" this "Aktion" (action) by calling it "Reichskristallnacht".
> The
> foreign press picked this term up from the controlled German press. In
> checking, I discovered that most historians across the world have called
> this
> most vicious progrom in the history of the Jewish people, THE NOVEMBER
> POGROM.
> You will find a detailed description of the events of this pogrom in my book
> in a chapter suitably titled: The November Pogrom. I have began to inform
> the
> American Jewish community of this term and I am happy to report that several
> institutions and organizations have adopted this universally used term. As
> soon as possible I intend to upload to this list a flyer explaining my
> effort
> in greater detail and would greatly appreciate your assistance.
> I have asked many of my Jewish as well as non-Jewish friends how they would
> react if they would wake up one morning to find their houses of worship
> destroyed and this event was called "the night of the broken glass." --
> "Most
> obnoxious", don't you think?
> ernsth@aol.com <Ernest G. Heppner>
> 6930 North Delaware St. > Indianapolis, IN 46220-1032
>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:02:10 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Kenneth.Waltzer" <21409MGR@msu.edu> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly:
In-Reply-To: The letter of Friday, 16 June 1995 11:15am ET
For a deservedly critical assessment of the work of Gotz Aly and Susanne Heim, people on the list may want to look at Yad Vashem Studies XXIV (1994). It includes an article by Aly and Heim, "The Holocaust and Population Policy: Remarks on the Decision on the 'Final Solution'." It also contains critical responses by Dan Diner, "Rationalization and Method: Critique of a New Approach in Understanding the 'Final Solution';" by David Bankier, "On Modernization and the Rationality of Extermination;" and by Ulrich Herbert, "Racism and Rational Calculation: The Role of Utilitarian Strategies of Legitimation in the National Socialist Weltanschauung."
Aly and Heim's claim that a technocratic planning elite in the Generalgov't initiated the Holocaust as part of the German plan for a new European order (part of economic and population planning in the East) is unproven and misleading. The critical articles make clear that this new kind of "intentionalist" interpretation, which sites responsibility for decision making within the German bureaucratic elite, mistakes implementation and legitimation for origination and authority, and underestimates the role and importance of ideology and antiSemitism in the Holocaust.
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:05:20 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Ernest G. Heppner" <Ernsth@aol.com> Subject: The November Pogrom
Comments: cc: jimmott@spss.com
Permit me to respond to all those who discussed the terms used for the events
of November, 1938.
I was an eyewitness to the roundup of Jews by the S.S. and will never forget
the flames shooting out of the dome of my synagogue in the city of Breslau.
During the research for my book "Shanghai Refuge" Nebraska University Press,
1993, I learned that the term Reichskristallnacht was coined on November 12,
1938, by Reichsmarshall Hermann Goering during a meeting with high level
party functionaries. By emphasizing the relative triviality of broken glass
in the streets, Goering diverted the world's attention from the terrorism
perpetrated by the SA Sturmabteilun, the destruction of almost 1,000
synagogues and the arrest of about 30,000 men. The glass damage exceeded
sis-months' production of the entire European glass industry, but it
certainly is not representative of this most vicious and devastating pogrom
in all of Jewish history.
Goering, as szar of the German economy was sensitive to foreign reaction and
was furious at the cost to the insurance industry. It appears that the
international press did not investigate the source of the censored German
press release, consequently many people here in the United States for the
past 57 years continued to use the term invented by Goering.
Reichskristallnacht meant to be a "Spottname", a name of ridicule, of
mockery, perpetuating the Nazis' delight in breaking millions of marks worth
of windows of Jewish owned stores.
Any doubt that the term Reichskristallnacht was deliberately used as a
derisive mockery intended to trivialize and prettify this pogrom is dispelled
in several sources. Please contact me for additional material which I would
be happy to mail to individuals whenever requested. Ernsth@aol.com
<Ernest G. Heppner, 6930 North Delaware St. Indianapolis, IN 46220-1032>
P.S. A personal note: I have asked many persons during the past few years, how they would react to wake up one morning and find their houses of worship destroyed and this event would be called "the night of the broken glass." I personally find it obnoxious.
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:09:12 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Adam Reed <avr@mttec.mt.att.com> Subject: Re: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
>Howard Gershen (howard@boxhill.com) writes:
>In response to postings by Adam Reed and Paul Rose:
>....
>P.S. Why did Adam Reed refer to "pogrom" as an "Asiatic" term?
> The Pale was wholly within European Russia.
No, I never used the term "Asiatic" in reference to "pogrom". The German graduate student with whom I spoke used the term "Eastern", by which I think he meant "Slavic". Prof. Rose ascribes the term "Asiatic" to Nolte, not to me. (Adam Reed fades away, muttering nasty things about American teachers of reading....)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:10:04 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jodi Berls <Jberls@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
In a message dated 95-06-15 14:02:53 EDT, Alexander Rossino writes:
<< Aly places the actions of the Einsatzgruppen and other units in the
occupied
<<territories of the USSR within the general realm of Umvolksungpolitik by
noting their
<<'contribution' to the depopulation of the eastern territories. Here he
argues that the
<<Nazi hierarchy was following what could be called a two-track policy which
focused
<<not only on moving populations but also on eliminating them. Aly and
Suzanne Heim
<<are both proponents of the 'economy of the Holocaust' notion which blames
the
<<impetus for the Holocaust on the desire of Nazi middle-level bureaucrats to
create the
<<basis for a new German imperial economy based on the controlled
availability of labor
<<and the full employment of German labor in the occupied territories. >>
I think there's a fair amount of evidence to suggest that the degree of confusion and factionalism in the Hitler regime might have had the Nazis working at cross purposes to themselves in this way, and I agree that this idea is worth more exploration. I guess what stopped me was a perceived implication that the Nazis weren't considering extermination until late fall 1941--a position I consider untenable. Apparently I misunderstood the original post, or read into it a meaning that wasn't intended. I have a tendency to do a knee-jerk bristle at the idea that the original plan was only to expatriate Jews to eastern Europe and that only the military situation "forced" extermination on the German regime. I think extermination was the plan on the part of many Nazis right from the start, and the military situation actually made extermination *less* reasonable, not more. It seems clear to me that the Nazis were hell-bent on killing Jews, long before 1941. I don't see how anybody could put together the machinery of the Einsatzgruppen without a fair amount of planning.
Jodi Berls
jberls@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:13:02 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Alan Jacobs <ajacobs@interaccess.com> Subject: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
As I see it there are two levels of motivation regarding mass murder; social and psychological. The explanations above are social. That is, they deal with tangible reasons, justifications, excuses for why the Nazis murdered the Jews and others. Another explanation is that no matter what the "social" reason, the underlying drive to murder forms the basis for all "justifications" the Nazis promulgated.
Some weeks ago I asked here if anyone had speculations about the question: "why they did it?" It is a question asked by Fackenheim and one that has stayed with me ever since I read it in Holo. & Geno. Studies. I wasn't entirely straightforward when I asked the question in that I have postulated an answer. I was not forthcoming with it because I was interested in what others thought about this question and I wanted to know about their ideas free of any discussion of mine.
The response to the question was sparse indeed. After all it is a perplexing question, one that has even been answered by Hilberg with "because they wanted to". But perhaps an answer can be found, or at least postualted. I have gone to Canetti's "Crowds and Power" and to him Handy's studies of Polynesian religions for a start. Their answers have to do with power and survival; that the two are inextricably joined, one feeding the other.I am not sayiny that eithet they or I are "right", or that we have found an answer, only that it is a start, at least a place to begin asking and speculating. Can any historical analysis, or for that matter curriculum, be offered without asking this question? I wonder what kinds of answers you would get from your students.
For all their reasons for choosing the Jews, they would have found others objects if we had been unavavailable. Eric Kulka, the co-author of :"The Death Factory", told me once that his Obersturmfurher in Birkenau told him that when they were finished with the Jews, they were going to kill all the Poles next, and then the Slavs. This is no valididation of high level Nazi policy, to be sure, but it might just indicate an implicit understanding Himmler et al had with all those who worked in the murder machine. And I think that murder was at the very base of the Nazi ideology, if one can call it an ideology. Wihtout it they would not have come to, and maintained, powe. They had to keep killing. I refer you to Col. Dorf's speech to the people of Israel in Shaw's "Man in The Glass Booth". They had to kill, and in so doing they lived... they even triumphed for a short time over death itself, even if only in fantasy.
In any case I have a published article or two I would be willing to send to those who are interested in discussing this further, either here or privately.
Jake
Alan Jacobs
Independent researcher
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:18:43 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Murray Laulicht <murrayj@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: NJ Kristallnacht Legislation
HOLOCAUST COMMISSION ANNOUNCES SUPPORT FOR KRISTALLNACHT MEMORIAL NIGHT LEGISLATION
The New Jersey Commission on Holocaust Education announces its support for Senate Bill 2015, sponsored by Senate Majority Leader John Bennett and Senator Peter Inverso. The bill would designate the night of November 9-10 as "Kristallnacht Memorial Night in New Jersey." Under the bill, Kristallnacht would be commemorated by having each room and office in each State building within the Capitol Complex remain lit for the entire night. The bill would also require the Commission to advise and assist the State Capitol Joint Management Committee for the purpose of increasing public awareness of the annual observance of Kristallnacht Memorial Night in New Jersey.
In expressing support for this legislation, the Commission noted that Kristallnacht marked a turning point in the history of the Holocaust. On that November night in 1938, organized gangs of Nazi Gestapo agents, assisted by local hooligans and thugs, inflicted a wave of wanton destruction upon Jews, synagogues, Jewish homes and Jewish shops throughout Germany and Austria. More than 100 synagogues were burned. Thousands of Jewish shops and homes were destroyed. At least 36 Jews were killed and more than 20,000 Jewish men were sent to concentration camps. All of these barbarities were committed in plain view of the German and Austrian people and widely reported on the front pages of newspapers around the world. Less than three months after Kristallnacht, Hitler announced his plan for the total annilation of all of European Jewry in a well attended and heavily applauded, speech in the German Reichstag.
"Government at its worst was at the heart of Kristallnacht," said Murray J. Laulicht, Chairman of the New Jersey Commission on Holocaust Education. "In an eerie precursor of the tragic events to follow, German police and fireman, trained to combat crime and arson, looked the other way as Jews were beaten up and their homes, shops and houses of worship invaded and destroyed," he continued. "By commemorating these tragic events, the government of the State of New Jersey shows that it stands at the completely opposite end of the spectrum from Nazi Germany. Our State government wisely underlines its mission of promoting mutual harmony and respect among all the diverse groups within our State," Laulicht concluded.
The Commission also noted that it looks forward to working with the State Capitol Joint Management Commission in increasing public awareness of Kristallnacht, through educational, commemorative programs concerning the history and significance of Kristallnacht.
For further information, contact Murray J. Laulicht 201-966-8030 or murrayj@ix.netcom.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:19:43 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Lucia Ruedenberg <lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Subject: memory in russia
I am wondering if anyone on this list knows of studies that deal with Holocaust memory in Russia or by Russians or among Russians. I have only found one thing, in the volume on memory that accompanied the exhibit at the Jewish Museum, edited by James Young. It's hard to believe there is nothing else...
lucia
@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:55:20 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Suzanne Vromen <vromen@bard.edu> Subject: thanks
Many thanks for all the suggestions for undergraduate texts. Now you have given me real choices!
Suzanne Vromen<vromen@bard.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:56:12 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Connelly, William" <wconnelly@ushmm.org> Subject: Ktav Address
This is in response to the posting requesting the
address for Ktav Publishing House. It is:
Ktav Publishing House
900 Jefferson St., #6249
Hoboken, NJ 07030-7205
Tel. 201-963-9524
Fax 201-963-0102
With Regards,
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:56:53 CDT
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From: "Charles Fishman,
SUNY Farmingdale" <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU>
Organization: FROM SUNY FARMINGDALE, NY 11735
Subject: Re: Contemporary Holocaust Poetry
Dr. Tyrnauer,
It's possible you're remembering "Auschwitz," by Dr. Gustawa StendigLindberg. This poem appeared both in Voices Israel (1979) and in the anthology, _Survivors Speak Out_ (Gefen, Jerusalem, 1989). Stanza two is suggestive of the lines you recall:
Here come you, abjectly cowed
able to turn a deaf ear
to the cry - the children's cry
in this low building
where murder is industry
Could this be from the poem you have in mind? If so, I can send you a
copy of the full text. Do let me know.
--Cordially,
Charles Fishman
Knapp Hall * * * "Those who are alive receive a mandate SUNY Farmingdale * from those who are silent forever." Farmingdale, NY 11735 --Czeslaw Milosz ``````````````````````````````` '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:57:48 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Tom Kramer <kramert@tmx.mhs.oz.au> Subject: Propaganda During World War II
>An old but useful overview is David Stewart Hull, _Film in the Third
>Reich: A Study of the German Cinema 1933-1945_ (University of California
>Press, 1969). Hull devotes a 3-page discussion to the production history
>of _Der ewige Jude_ and 14 pages to _Jud Suess_.
>
>Jonathan Morse
>Department of English
>University of Hawaii at Manoa
>jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
For an useful overview of the propaganda used by the opposing sides during WWII, see KRM Short (Ed.) -Film and Radio Propaganda in World War II- The University of Tennessee Press, Knoxville, 1986.
Tom Kramer
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:11:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: thoughts on H-Net advertising
[from Richard Jensen, H-Net executive director]
folks--
The H-Net executive committee is discussing paid commecial ads right now. There are several basic points I would like to make --these are my opinions, and are not yet official policy:
this and all the H-Net lists, all messages have to be approved by an editor first]
Our ad policy will be made by and for the benefit of professional scholars.
monographs, textbooks, editions, and software. Most of us teach and we need to keep up with textbook materials.
These are the ads we want for H-Net.
convention booths, conference programs, etc. They will want to advertise on H-Net because our lists are targeted to specialized audiences.
An ad for African-related books in American Historical Review is 90% "wasted" because fewer than 10% of the readers are interested. But on H-Africa, 100% are interested.
to fund ourselves. Paid ads will be critical. Most scholarly journals run paid ads--so it's a normal and fully accepted part of scholarship. Running ads will not make H-Net a commercial operation. We will always be a non-profit educational operation run by and for scholars.
separate lists. [We have to have a uniform rate card and uniform policies if we want to approach a major press.]
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advertiser has an ad budget, then they should pay. That includes university presses, which of course buy lots of ads in journals.
But if a library is selling some duplicate copies of reference books--which happened a couple weeks ago--I would not consider that a commercial ad and would not charge. Conference announcements are iffy. Some conferences have hefty registration fees and clearly can pay for an ad.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:11:00 CDT
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
From: Mark Ziomek < MZIOMEK@USHMM.ORG >
Attached to this message is a bibliography of our
holdings on the subject of Grynszpan.
With Regards,
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Editor Note: Copies of this document are available on the Holocaus Gopher and Fileserver.
get grynszp herschel
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research
history
h-net
holocaus
bibliographies
Jim Mott
Holocaus Moderator
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:11:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Bibliographies on U.S. Jewish POWS and on Danish Resistance
From: William Connelly < wconnelly@ushmm.org >
This is in response to the posting requesting
information on Jewish American POWs and/or the
Danish Resistance Movement.
Attached are the abridged results of two searches
of this Library's online catalog on these topics.
Please note that some records, particularly in the
first bibliography (about POWs), refer to holdings
of the USHRI Archives. Such items may be viewed
viewed only in the USHRI Archives itself.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:20:42 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Gary Mokotoff <GMOKOTOFF@delphi.com> Subject: New "How to" Holocaust book
After about six months of work and ten years of thought, I have just published a book entitled "How to Document Victims and Locate Survivors of the Holocaust." It is meant for people who are trying to determine the fate of relatives and friends--which is still happening to this day. It is amazing how little people know about the wealth of information available about individuals caught up in the Holocaust. It is also of use to genealogists who want to document their extended family. I hope it will (eventually) become the definitive work of who has what regarding documentation of individuals.
It is 208 pages, divided into three sections.
Section 1 is "How to Do Holocaust Research." It starts with The Basics which describes what individuals were documented--victims as well as survivors. It talks of events for which there is documentation of individuals, events for which no names were recorded. It then provides a checklist of steps to take to do research. Finally, it highlights the major resources for information about individuals; yizkor books, Pages of Testimony, International Tracing Service and other sources.
Section 2 is "Facilities with Collections of Holocaust Materials." For each facility, there is a list of their holdings that includes lists of individuals. Frankly, it is U.S. oriented. I had trouble getting facilities outside the U.S. to cooperate (other than Yad Vasehm) and plan to expand the book in 2-3 years to cover worldwide facilities. Those noted in the book are Yad Vashem (Jerusalem), U.S. Holocaust Research Institute, YIVO, Leo Baeck, Simon Wiesenthal Center (LA), National Archives and Library of Congress.
Section 3 contains the Appendixes. Six major ones. (A) List of towns with published yizkor books (more than 1,000); (B) Towns with holdings at Yad Vashem archives (more than 4,000); (C) Town described in the Extraordinary Commission...of the Soviet Union-- the first book to publish the list (more than 1,400); (D) Libraries with large collections of yizkor books; (E) Holocaust research centers throughout the world; (F) Jewish genealogical societies throughout the world.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:22:04 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Ernest G. Heppner" <Ernsth@aol.com> Subject: The November Pogrom
Comments: cc: jimmott@spss.com
Further to the discussion about The November Pogrom, I must admit that as an eyewitness I was very emotionally involved in this event and its consequenses. Like everyone else here in the United States, for some 50 years I called those horrible days and nights Kristallnacht. I changed my mind reluctantly when, during my research, I discovered Goering's intent to use this designation to ridicule this event.
The following sources should be of interest to the subscribers of this list. "Die Juden in Deutschland 1933-1945", herausgegeben von Wolfgang Benz, Verlag C.H. Beck, Munich 1989, part VI, pages 499-544, Der Novemberpogrom 1938. The second sentence of this chapter begins: "Der Novemberpogrom, als "Reichkristallnacht" im Umgangston verniedlicht..." (The Novemberpogrom was "prettified" in the vernacular as crystal night.")
Chapter 6, titled "Die 'Kristallnacht' als Anfang vom Ende", (crystal night as the beginning of the end) starts: "Man kann den Novemberpogrom als ein Ritual oeffentlicher Demueting deuten..." (The Novemberpogrom can be explained as a ritual for public humiliation...) The photograph accompanying this chapter it titled: "Vielleicht gab das zersplitterte Glass Anlass zu dem "Spottnamen Reichskristallnacht". (Perhaps the broken glass was used to ridicule the pogrom).
Also see Arnold Paucker's "The Jews in Germany", Tuebingen: J.C>B. Mohr, 1986, page 220: "Der Novemberpogrom, euphemistisch 'Kristallnacht' genannt, war der Anfang vom Ende..." (The Novemberpogrom, euphemistically named "Crystal Night" was the beginning of the end.)
There are additional sources, but I hope the above will serve to illustrate the fact that, except for the United States, The November Pogrom appears to be the established term.
I appreciate this opportunity to share with you my thoughts about an event which is of more than academic interest to me. It has haunted me for all these years.
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:23:45 CDT
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From: Samuel Totten <STOTTEN@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU>
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As mentioned in earlier postings, I am currently in the process of co-editing a volume tentatively entitled TEACHING THE HOLOCAUST: CRITICAL ESSAYS. One of ht e areas that my co-editors and I wish to include a chapter/essay that addresses those research studies (empirical, qualitative, et al) that have been conducte d on teaching about the Holocaust as the secondary level of schooling (e.g., gr ades 7-12). After conducting a preliminary search for such research on various databases, ERIC, dissertation abstracts, we have come up with VERY LITTLE. In f act, most of the research we have found either deals with how textbooks treat t he Holocaust and those studies conducted by Harvard PhD students on the Facing History program. There seems to be little else out there. That said, we hope we are wrong about that. Does anyone know of any research that has been done along these lines? If so, I would greatly appreciate it if you would send me th e full bibliographical citation so I could locate the material. On another note , does anyone have a good idea as to how I might be more successful in locating such information? I should note that I have already done a search as well at t he United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (in both its research dept and its t eacher resource center). I found some excellent material in the resource center but again not all that much.
Finally, we are still accepting proposals for this book and shall do so o
ver the next several months. Anyone interested in submitting a proposal should
send a 2-3 detailed proposal in which he/she delineates/outlines the focus of t
he paper. Please submit that to me: Samuel Totten, University of Arkansas,
College of Education, 107A Peabody Hall, Fayetteville, AR 72701. Thanks!
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:26:36 CDT
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From: Nicole Cunningham <nicolejc@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: The November Pogrom
In-Reply-To: <950616180316_96399133@aol.com> from "Ernest G. Heppner" at Jun
19, 95 09:05:20 am
I would like to second Froma Zeitlin's recent post re: *kristallnacht*. Specifically, it seems that the arguments against the term kristallnacht revolve around the original intentions of the Nazi(s) who coined it. This troubles me as a system for evaluation--kristallnacht is a *bad* Nazi term as opposed to *good* ones like...? But even more importantly, as Zeitlin pointed out, the origins of terms do not equal the historical meanings that they accumulate. Perhaps in 1938, these arguments against Goering's nomenclature would have been highly accurate, but in 1995, I can't think of a term more devastating and loaded than *kristallnacht*.
Nicole J. Cunningham email: nicolejc@csd.uwm.edu Modern Studies voice: 414.223.3070 (h) Dept of English and Comp Lit 414.229.4511 (o)
Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:05:31 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Richard Prystowski, Irvine Valley C." <RJPrys@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
In his recent post to the list, in which he makes some very interesting and provocative points, Alan Jacobs writes:
>>For all their reasons for choosing the Jews, they would have found others objects if we had been unavavailable. Eric Kulka, the co-author of :"The Death Factory", told me once that his Obersturmfurher in Birkenau told him that when they were finished with the Jews, they were going to kill all the Poles next, and then the Slavs. This is no valididation of high level Nazi policy, to be sure, but it might just indicate an implicit understanding Himmler et al had with all those who worked in the murder machine.<<
Unless I've misunderstood him, Alan offers these remarks in the context of his trying to explain his point concerning why the Nazis and their collaborators murdered Jews:
>>Their answers have to do with
power and survival; that the two are inextricably joined, one feeding the
other.I am not sayiny that eithet they or I are "right", or that we have
found an answer, only that it is a start, at least a place to begin asking
and speculating.<<
Though I'm very sympathetic to the notion that in many cases the victim of communal violence (in this case, the Jews) is arbitrarily chosen ("For all their reasons for choosing the Jews, they would have found others objects if we had been unavavailable"), I've come to sense that, in a number of circumstances, certain groups and persons do seem to be more likely candidates for victimage than do others. Concerning the Nazis' attempted destruction of European Jewry, I would agree with those who argue that the Nazis were intent upon wiping out Jewish life, Jewish ideas, Jewish Being in the highest sense; in other words, I find the term "Judeocide" tragically apt.
I'm not arguing against the notion that, generally, anyone can play the part of the victim; nor am I suggesting that there is something essential in the Jews or in Judaism that can be understood as an etiologically significant factor of causation in the victimization of the Jews. Rather, I'm suggesting that perhaps what we have before us is a very complex paradox in which victims are both arbitrary and yet, in a sense, "selectively privileged" (I use these terms quite purposefully).
Still struggling to understand matters here, I would be very grateful to hear others' views on the issues at stake before us. And Alan--I for one would be very interested in seeing your published work on the matters under investigation.
All best,
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:10:01 CDT
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From: Gary S Weissman <weissman@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: memory in russia
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.90a.950618030245.16969A-100000@arad.bgu.ac.il> from
"Lucia Ruedenberg" at Jun 19, 95 09:19:43 am
There is a chapter on Holocasut memory in the Soviet Union in the book _One, by One, by One_ by Judith Miller (1990).
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:11:06 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Amcha <amcha@jer1.co.il> Subject: Re: memory in russia
Dear Lucia,
Concerning Holocaust memory among Russians, we can report on our pilot
project in Israel with Russian Holocaust survivors. Beginning last year and
supported by the JDC , AMCHA sought out six Russian speaking therapists to
work in three of our branches. We have seen over three hundred people, some
of whom participate in social activities, some who receive therapy, and
some who have done video documentations on theri experiences. Although
accompanied by ongoing evaluation by our research coordinator, Dr. Danny
Brom, it is early for real findings yet. Nevertheless, if you want further
information, I am sure Danny can accomodate you.
Good luck.
John Lemberger
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:12:29 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Robert J. Bennett" <rjbennett@UBmail.ubalt.edu> Subject: Re: The November Pogrom
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While I can appreciate Mr. Heppner's position, I would have to say as a second generation American (my grandfather's family perished in Dachau) the term Kristillnacht brings nothing but terror and horror to my heart. Maybe , in a cruel twist of history, the German's play on words has now come to be something that will forever haunt them.
Rob
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:15:49 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: memory in russia
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There is a considerable amount of memorial material in the former USSR.
However, it is being collected locally in each of the former republics.
The largest two centers are the Holocaust Center in Moscow, headed by Dr.
Ilya Altman (he has visited Israel at least 5 times to give papers at
Hebrew Univsity Conferences); and Dr. Ilya Levitas, Kiev Jewish Council.
The Center is Moscow has a small museum; however, Altman is important
because he edited the new edition of Ehrenberg's BLACK BOOK and has
access to all of the NKVD/KGB archives on the Jewish question/Holocaust.
He spoke in Minneapolis last year to a large group of emigres, who came
forward with some amazing documentation, including letters and testimony.
Addresses are:
Ilya Levitas
Chairman, Jewish Council of Ukraine
Nemanskaya Ulitsa 7
252103 KIEV
Phone: 2295-65-93
553-98-51
Ilya Altman
Moscow: home 095-383-6242
w: 925-5393
Altman is on email but I can't get the address at the moment. If any of
you need it, please write me directly at feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu
There are memorials in many individual synagogues across the Russian
Federation. Thus, in Irkutsk, Isaw two memorials there--one in the
synagogue and one at the Jewish cemetary.
The best recent book is by Dobroszycki and Gurock, THE HOLOCAUST IN THE
SOVIET UNION. (ME Sharpe) paperbound isbn 1-56324-174-9.
Stephen Feinstein
On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Lucia Ruedenberg wrote:
> I am wondering if anyone on this list knows of studies that deal with
> Holocaust memory in Russia or by Russians or among Russians. I have only
> found one thing, in the volume on memory that accompanied the exhibit at
> the Jewish Museum, edited by James Young. It's hard to believe there is
> nothing else...
>
> lucia
> @bgumail.bgu.ac.il
>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:17:02 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org> Subject: Re: Jewish-German Dialogue and Memorials
In light of the recent discussions on the HOLOCAUS list about dialogue between Jews and Germans, I would like to mention a four-part article in the April/May 1995 issue of the magazine, GERMAN LIFE (ISSN 1075-2382): "Reconciling Irreconcilables?" (pp. 40-45), which focuses on the Post-Holocaust Generations Dialogue Group and its founding members.
The cofounders of the group are Abraham Peck and Gottfried Wagner. I include below, from the magazine, the introductory description of each cofounder.
Abraham J. Peck Abraham J. Peck is the Administrative
Director of the American Jewish Archives
of the Hebrew Union College in Cin-
cinnati. A prolific writer, Peck was born
in 1946 in the Jewish Displaced Person's
Camp at Landesberg, Bavaria. His parents
married in the Lodz ghetto where they
were incarcerated from 1940 to 1944.
[After his parents were] separated in
spring 1944, his father was sent to
various labor camps, including Buchenwald
and Theresienstadt, where he was
liberated in May 1945. His mother was
sent to Auschwitz and then to Stutthof, a
prison factory in Dresden, where she
survived the 1945 fire bombing of the
city. She was liberated in the sub-camp
of Mauthausen in May 1945. Together, his
parents lost 14 brothers and sisters;
Peck's parents were the only immediate
survivors of their families. They stayed
in Landesberg until their immigration to
the United States in December 1949. (40)
Gottfried Wagner Gottfried Wagner is a theater and opera
director, lecturer, and commentator. His
crusades against Bayreuth and his
family's Nazi past have angered his
father, Wolfgang (the current director of
the Bayreuth festival) and estranged him
from his musical and professional
inheritance. Trained as a musicologist,
philosopher, and businessman, Wagner now
resides near Milan, Italy. His
theoretical works on musical theater
have been translated into 11 languages.
His most recent projects include a
multimedia presentation, "Bayreuth to
Terezin," that points out the connections
between classical German music and the
music composed by the inmates of
Theresienstadt, and a book on the
politics of Bayreuth, titled WAGNER'S
BUSINESS: THE GAME OF POWER AND
REDEMPTION. (41)
Abraham Peck's section is "Germans and Jews in Dialogue: Is There Anything to Discuss?" and Gottfried Wagner's is "Creating a Culture of Disobedience: German Identity in a Post-Holocaust World." Following these two parallel sections is an essay by Gerhard Weiss, a German professor at the University of Minnesota: "The Past Is Always with Us: A Response." The final section to the feature "Reconciling Irreconcilables?" is "Actions of Reconciliation," by Jean Schiffmann, which discusses drama therapy workshops and commemorative events.
Despite the fact that GERMAN LIFE is a popular, glossy magazine, I found this feature to be quite thought provoking, although it simply could not explore this difficult topic in detail.
In closing, I'd like to share with you the six statutes of the Post-Holocaust Generations Dialogue Group:
the victimizers, see the Shoah/Holocaust as a unique rift in Western and world civilization, as well as a starting point of a new morality of thoughts, feelings, and actions.
any discussion of the Shoah/Holocaust and to the continuation of any prejudices and hatreds resulting from the activities of our parents and grandparents or from the trauma attributed to the Shoah/Holocaust.
burden of this tragic past in a continuing dialogue is of vital concern, independent of any religious, ideological, and/or political affiliations. With our dialogue, we give concrete evidence of how current and future generations confront the challenges presented by the Shoah/Holocaust and its omnipresent influences.
self-critical awareness as the children of the victims and the children of the victimizers. Our mutual willingness to share our burden is coupled with our unhesitating commitment to overcome our present ignorance, prejudices, and misconceptions, and to present to those open and receptive a model for present and future trust and understanding.
organization whose avowed purpose is not only to inform others of the Shoah/Holocaust through scholarly conferences and publications, but also to fight both theoretically and practically against any kind of totalitarian dogmatism based on religion, politics, or ideology. We stand for the active realization of human rights for all, fully believing that we are responsible for our own actions, ever mindful of the "different other."
scholarly work to influence governments and nation-states, thus lessening fears of present and future repetitions of the Shoah/Holocaust, striving at all times to realize our goal of a world living together in peaceful tolerance and appreciative of all diverse humanity. (42-43)
I welcome your comments and/or any additional information which you may have about the Post-Holocaust Generations Dialogue Group. Please let me know if you have questions.
(Incidentally, GERMAN LIFE is published by Zeitgeist Publishing; 1 Corporate Drive; Grantsville, MD 21536, USA [Phone: 301-895-3859; Fax: 301-895-5029]. Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with this publication.)
Cordially,
David Dickerson
"Our tragedy must be the starting point of a new humanism."
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:22:38 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Alexander Frenkel <frenk@lea.spb.su> Organization: Jewish Association of St.Petersburg (Russia) Subject: memory in russia
Dear Ms.Ruedenberg,
Besides Zvi Gitelman's article that you mentioned there are other works of the same author. For example:
Unfortunately, the article you mentioned (in "The Art of Memory" edited by James Young) contains many factual mistakes. For example, the picture of "the Holocaust memorial in Minsk" has nothing common with the real memorial to Minsk Jews - victims of Minsk ghetto.
Also, I have to mention my own article on the subject published in English in a small collection of articles:
The article is about the history of the Holocaust memorials (and the memory about the Holocaust in general) in the former Soviet Union. I think it is rather difficult to obtain a copy of this in the U.S. or Israel. So, if you are interested I can e-mail the article directly to your address (it is about 19 Kbytes).
Sincerely,
--
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:25:37 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jodi Berls <Jberls@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
In a message dated 95-06-19 10:18:09 EDT, Alan Jacobs writes:
>Some weeks ago I asked here if anyone had speculations about the question:
>"why they did it?"
>
>The response to the question was sparse indeed.
I suspect there are three reasons why response was sparse. First, because the question suggests you're looking for *one* reason, and I doubt that there is only one. I suspect there were several, and that's why the idea found appeal among a sufficient number of people that it could be done at all. Second, by definition madness is not easy to explain. We're talking about a situation in which an entire government/society went mad. If it were logical, we could explain it easily, but this makes no sense, and the mind rebels. Third, if I thought I could stick my finger out and point right at the reason why it happened, I would have to conclude that I were mad myself. And I would as soon not admit to that, even if true.
>For all their reasons for choosing the Jews, they would have found others >objects if we had been unavavailable. Eric Kulka, the co-author of :"The >Death Factory", told me once that his Obersturmfurher in Birkenau told him >that when they were finished with the Jews, they were going to kill all the >Poles next, and then the Slavs. This is no valididation of high level Nazi >policy, to be sure, but it might just indicate an implicit understanding >Himmler et al had with all those who worked in the murder machine. And I >think that murder was at the very base of the Nazi ideology, if one can >call it an ideology.
As a relative by marriage of Catholic Poles who suffered in work camps, there is no doubt in my mind that the Poles/Slavs were next--in some cases not next but to be killed right alongside Jews. But the Nazis were not above killing their own, as the "euthanasia" of the mentally ill and those who suffered from genetic diseases shows. I agree that murder was a foundation of Nazism at a very fundamental level. It seems to me that where the madness comes in is at the point where they ceased to see murder as murder and began to call it self-preservation.
Jodi Berls
jberls@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:42:50 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
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The theological approach may provide some interesting answers here/ See Richard Rubenstein's AFTER AUSCHITZ, and Emile Fackenheim, TO MEND THE WORLD. Stephen Feinstein
On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Richard Prystowski, Irvine Valley C. wrote:
> In his recent post to the list, in which he makes some very interesting and
> provocative points, Alan Jacobs writes:
>
> >>For all their reasons for choosing the Jews, they would have found others
> objects if we had been unavavailable. Eric Kulka, the co-author of :"The
> Death Factory", told me once that his Obersturmfurher in Birkenau told him
> that when they were finished with the Jews, they were going to kill all the
> Poles next, and then the Slavs. This is no valididation of high level Nazi
> policy, to be sure, but it might just indicate an implicit understanding
> Himmler et al had with all those who worked in the murder machine.<<
>
> Unless I've misunderstood him, Alan offers these remarks in the context of
> his trying to explain his point concerning why the Nazis and their
> collaborators murdered Jews:
>
> >>Their answers have to do with
> power and survival; that the two are inextricably joined, one feeding the
> other.I am not sayiny that eithet they or I are "right", or that we have
> found an answer, only that it is a start, at least a place to begin asking
> and speculating.<<
>
> Though I'm very sympathetic to the notion that in many cases the victim of
> communal violence (in this case, the Jews) is arbitrarily chosen ("For all
> their reasons for choosing the Jews, they would have found others objects if
> we had been unavavailable"), I've come to sense that, in a number of
> circumstances, certain groups and persons do seem to be more likely
> candidates for victimage than do others. Concerning the Nazis' attempted
> destruction of European Jewry, I would agree with those who argue that the
> Nazis were intent upon wiping out Jewish life, Jewish ideas, Jewish Being in
> the highest sense; in other words, I find the term "Judeocide" tragically
> apt.
>
> I'm not arguing against the notion that, generally, anyone can play the part
> of the victim; nor am I suggesting that there is something essential in the
> Jews or in Judaism that can be understood as an etiologically significant
> factor of causation in the victimization of the Jews. Rather, I'm suggesting
> that perhaps what we have before us is a very complex paradox in which
> victims are both arbitrary and yet, in a sense, "selectively privileged" (I
> use these terms quite purposefully).
>
> Still struggling to understand matters here, I would be very grateful to hear
> others' views on the issues at stake before us. And Alan--I for one would be
> very interested in seeing your published work on the matters under
> investigation.
>
> All best,
>
> Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
> School of Humanities and Languages
> Irvine Valley College
> 5500 Irvine Center Drive
> Irvine, CA 92720
> Phone: 714-559-3206
>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:44:17 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Alan Jacobs <ajacobs@interaccess.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
In response to my remarks:
"For all their reasons for choosing the Jews, they would have found others objects if we had been unavavailable. Eric Kulka, the co-author of :"The Death Factory", told me once that his Obersturmfurher in Birkenau told him that when they were finished with the Jews, they were going to kill all the Poles next, and then the Slavs. This is no valididation of high level Nazi policy, to be sure, but it might just indicate an implicit understanding Himmler et al had with all those who worked in the murder machine"
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com) writes:
>Though I'm very sympathetic to the notion that in many cases the victim of
>communal violence (in this case, the Jews) is arbitrarily chosen ("For all
>their reasons for choosing the Jews, they would have found others objects if
>we had been unavavailable"), I've come to sense that, in a number of
>circumstances, certain groups and persons do seem to be more likely
>candidates for victimage than do others. Concerning the Nazis' attempted
>destruction of European Jewry, I would agree with those who argue that the
>Nazis were intent upon wiping out Jewish life, Jewish ideas, Jewish Being in
>the highest sense; in other words, I find the term "Judeocide" tragically
>apt.
>
>I'm not arguing against the notion that, generally, anyone can play the part
>of the victim; nor am I suggesting that there is something essential in the
>Jews or in Judaism that can be understood as an etiologically significant
>factor of causation in the victimization of the Jews. Rather, I'm suggesting
>that perhaps what we have before us is a very complex paradox in which
>victims are both arbitrary and yet, in a sense, "selectively privileged" (I
>use these terms quite purposefully).
I agree that the Jews were singled out because of their historical role as objects of hatred. There is a very fascinating new book by Elaine Pagels "The Origin of Satan", that demonstrates how Satanism was thrust upon the Jews by the early Christains in an effort to consolidate their ideology and their movement. So I couldn't agree more with Richard's point.The reason I am speculating about the psychological motivation is because I think this problem is, forgive me, bigger than "just" the holocaust. I think the seeds of it exist in all of us. So if the Germans could do it to the Jews and if we can assume that they would have needed to keep killing, then they would have had to find less "historical" enemies. Eventually even people in their own house would have to be eliminated. Think of Hitler's glee watching the film of hangings of the Stauffenberg asassination attempt suspects. Perhaps Hitler's eventual goal was to be the only person alive. So yes the Jews, even Judeocide, as Richard says, and then...?
If we can answer this, if we can figure out the need to commit murder, mass murder, in very broad terms, what can we learn, what can we do, perhaps even prevent? After all, in order to "never forget" we must understand, perhaps even how such events can be anticipated.
Alan Jacobs
Independent researcher
Chicago, Ill
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:45:38 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Allied Jewish POWS in German camps (follow up)
In-Reply-To: <v01520d00ac0bf638946e@[198.94.6.18]>
There was a previous inquiry about an order in 1944 singling out Jewish
pows in pow camps.
Mark Hertz, a Jewish B-17 crew member was shot down over Germany and
wound up at STALAG LUFT 3, Sagan, in Silesia, near Breslau. This was the
same camp in the film, "The Great Escape," where 86 pows escaped but only
2 survived.
Hertz says there was a rumor of a "selection" of Jews from non-Jews in
October/early November, 1944. General Spivy, highest ranking officer in
the POW side of the camp (there were 3US generals in the camp) who had
access to the commandant when to him when these rumors were going around
and told him that if there was a selection, all of the other men would
testify against him and the other guards as war criminals and
would"recommend castration without anestesia" as the penalty.General
Spivey is dead but his memoirs have been published. His wife is a
historian who is retired and lives in Largo, Florida
Hertz also said there are two films about POWS and the camps. One was made about Allied pows in Buchenwald. Another was recently put together from new footage found perhaps in the Potsdam film archive. Hertz has a video copy and says it is the most graphic he has seen on the subject. There is a magazine put out by the Veteran's Administration about POWS. Each month, a survivor's story is described through testimony. I will get all of the specific names of these films and publications soon, for those who are interested. Stephen Feinstein
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:46:49 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Alan Jacobs <ajacobs@interaccess.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
In a message dated 6/19/95 Jodi Berls writes:
>I suspect there are three reasons why response was sparse [to my question: >"why did the Germans do it?"]. First, because >the question suggests you're looking for *one* reason, and I doubt that there >is only one. I suspect there were several, and that's why the idea found >appeal among a sufficient number of people that it could be done at all.
Agreed. I have one piece to the puzzle, I think. Do you have more? Please do have at it.
>Second, by definition madness is not easy to explain. We're talking about a >situation in which an entire government/society went mad. If it were logical, >we could explain it easily, but this makes no sense, and the mind rebels. >Third, if I thought I could stick my finger out and point right at the reason >why it happened, I would have to conclude that I were mad myself. And I would >as soon not admit to that, even if true.
In the Timaeus, Plato says: "No man, when in his wits, attains prophetic truth and inspiration; but when he recieves the inspired word, either his intelligence is enthralled in sleep, or he is demented by some distemper or possession". And in the Phaedrus he says it was not by accident that prophecy and madness are both referred to by the same word "manike'".... But he who, having no touch of the Muses' madness in his soul, comes to the door and thinks that he will get into the temple by the help of art - he, I say, and his poetry are not admitted; the sane man disapperas."
I'm, not claiming inspiration or devine truth, but perhaps a part of the answer.
These ideas come from a book by Rudolph Arnheim "The Genesis of a Painting. Picasso's Guernica". It is this painting, and the ideas expressed in Arnheim's analysis, that first got me thinking about why they did it. It seems to me Picasso found out something...
So, thank you Jodi Berls, I will gladly accept your ascription of "madness".
Alan Jacobs
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:48:16 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Lucia Ruedenberg <lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rule: Re: Goetz Aly: "Endloesung": ...
In-Reply-To: <950620020321_98400195@aol.com>
I recently attended a conference at HebrewU on "deomnization of the other as threat"... where alot of the papers looked at antisemitism of course. the presentation I found most thought provoking was Alan Dundes' "The Yid as Id" wherein he concludes that the Jews were/are unwilling players in someone else's nightmare. I also like very much his book "Life is like a chicken coop ladder"-- a psychoanalytic interpretation of Germanic culture. He is one of the more provocative and serious thinkers about "why" and what is special about the Jews' place in the Nazi ideology.
lucia
@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:50:04 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Dr Vera Ranki <verar@sulaw.law.su.OZ.AU> Subject: Re: The November Pogrom
Nicole Cunningham wrote:
>Specifically, it seems that the arguments against the term kristallnacht >revolve around the original intentions of the Nazi(s) who coined it. This >troubles me as a system for evaluation--kristallnacht is a *bad* Nazi term >as opposed to *good* ones like...?
There is no `good' nazi term. Nazi terms are exactly what they are: the terminology of evil.
The word `Kristallnacht', in English `the night of crystal' is what the Nazis called it. All through the Holocaust, especially during the `final solution' deliberate nazi euphemisms abounded. They used expressions as `euthanasia' (as if there was any mercy in the killing of disabled people), `aktion', `sonderbehandlung' and `endlosung'. Never the word `kill'. George Steiner wrote a fine essay about how Nazi terminology empoverished German language through these euphemisms. I, for one, only use Nazi terminology in inverted commas. (commae?) Murder is murder, pogrom is not something beautiful and pristine as crystal. Still, there is a valid point in that these expressions have acquired a meaning in usage.
Dr Vera Ranki
University of Sydney
Faculty of Law
173 Phillip Street,
Sydney, NSW 2000,
AUSTRALIA.
Telephone: 61 2 225 9230 (direct)
61 2 232 5944 (switch)
61 2 221 5635 (fax)
E-Mai1: verar@sulaw.law.su.OZ.AU
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:53:42 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Paul Lawrence Rose <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> Subject: Re: FW: THE NOVEMBER POGROM
In-Reply-To: avr AT mttec.mt.att.com -- Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:09:12 CDT
ASIATIC: At the risk of muddying the waters further, "Asiatic" has a long histo ry in German antisemitism where it is used to designate the Jews as a foreign c ulture within Europe. Moreover, a great deal of German political and travel li terature of the 19th/20 th centuries regard Poland as the beginning of "Asia" in the sense of being non-European. P L Rose
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:19:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: History Reviews On-Line [not an H-Net project]
Subject: History Reviews On-Line [not an H-Net project] Date: Thursday, June 22, 1995 1:38PM
We would like to introduce an exciting new academic publication--History Reviews On-Line.
In recent years the explosion of publications has slowed the appearance of book reviews in most journals to one to two years after a book's release. The growing popularity of the Internet among scholas now seems to offer a means of making reviews available in a more timely fashio, however. To take advantage of this opportunity, History Reviews On-Line has been created. The editorial goal is to provide reviews of books on all fields of history within six months of their appearance. The journal is supported by the University of Cincinnati, and it will also offer a broader range of reviews than most print journals. Collective reviews and forums, as well as coverage of textbooks, anthologies, translations, and other non- monographic works will be presented. HROL can be found on the World Wide Web at URL: http://www.uc.edu/www/history/reviews.html.
The journal will appear quarterly in the Fall, Winter, Spring, and Summer, with the first number appearing on July 1, 1995. Those interested in reviewing for HROL or with questions should contact the editors at TRINKLDS@UC.EDU. We hope you will find HROL useful. Sincerely, Dennis Trinkle and Todd Larson Do-Editors
[this is NOT an H-Net project]
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:51:21 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Charles Fishman, SUNY Farmingdale" <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.BITNET> Organization: FROM SUNY FARMINGDALE, NY 11735 Subject: Ktav address
This is my second effort to thank my colleagues on Holocaus for sending me all pertinent information re Ktav Publishing House. I am grateful.
Knapp Hall * * * "Those who are alive receive a mandate SUNY Farmingdale * from those who are silent forever." Farmingdale, NY 11735 --Czeslaw Milosz ``````````````````````````````` '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:55:34 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Richard Prystowski, Irvine Valley C." <RJPrys@aol.com> Subject: 2 articles
Hi, Folks:
Recently, someone on the Holocaus list posted a copy of a newspaper article concerning the German Tourist Bureau's faux pas; then, as I recall, someone else posted a reaction to this article.
Unfortunately, I didn't save either of these documents. When the persons who posted them have a moment, would they please be so kind as to e-mail them to me personally? Thanks so much for your efforts, and sorry for the inconvenience.
All best,
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:56:11 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Judy Podolsky." <JEDMAVN@aol.com> Subject: Re: Editing a book on teaching the Holocaust
If such information exists, my guess is that you can get it from the CAJE Holocaust Network. I am not sure who the current chair is, but the informationl can be gotten from the CAJE office in New York. In case you don't know, CAJE stands for the Coalition for Advancement in Jewish Education and is an organization of and for Jewish educators world-wide. The office is 261 West 35th Street, NY 10011. The phone number is 212/268-4210. The conference this year is at Amherst, and when last I heard, the chair was Zvi Deutsch from Milwaukee. I was co-chair for a year but have been out of touch for the last 2 years. Good luck.
Judy Podolsky
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:01:29 CDT
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From: Rebecca Margaret McClure <rmcclure@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
Subject: Contact address for Prof. Wistrich
I'm hoping that someone may be able to help me. I am trying to
contact Professor Robert Wistrich, who, I believe, is currently teaching in the Chair of Jewish History at Jerusalem University. An E-mail address or fax number would be most helpful. Thanks in advance.
Rebecca McClure,
Centre for Comparative Genocide Studies,
Macquarie e University NSW 2109,
Australia.
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:02:19 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: THOMPSON@LVC.EDU Subject: Holocaust and "Madness" (per recent posts)
Are some suggesting that in carrying out the "Final Solution" the whole of German society was "mad"? Jodi et al., please clarify.
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:04:36 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: THOMPSON@LVC.EDU Subject: Berlin Document Center
Does anyone know when the National Archives will have the files from the former Berlin Document Center (now called "Bundesarchiv Aussenstellen Berlin/Zehlendorf")? I gophered NARA and clicked onto their highlighted item on BDC files but the file did not exist.
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:07:16 CDT
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From: "Jana N. Mendelson" <jana@shazar.recom.edu.ar>
Subject: Re: material on Nazi propaganda film
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9506101603.A23767-0100000@maroon.tc.umn.edu>; from
Stephen Feinstein at Jun 10, 95 09:40 AM
I would like to know more details about Prof. Doneson's book or article "American Film and the Holocaust". Thank you. ---
Jana N. Mendelson
jana@shazar.recom.edu.ar
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:08:34 CDT
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From: THOMPSON@LVC.EDU
Subject: Re: Editing a book on teaching the Holocaust
Judy Podolsky wrote ...
>If such information exists, my guess is that you can get it from the CAJE Holocaust Network. I am not sure who the current chair is, but the informationl can be gotten from the CAJE office in New York. In case you don't know, CAJE stands for the Coalition for Advancement in Jewish Education and is an organization of and for Jewish educators world-wide. The office is 261 West 35th Street, NY 10011. The phone number is 212/268-4210. The conference this year is at Amherst, and when last I heard, the chair was Zvi Deutsch from Milwaukee. I was co-chair for a year but have been out of touch for the last 2 years. Good luck.
Judy Podolsky<
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Unfortunately (actually, fortunately), not all Holocaust courses are taught by Jews. A good many -- my own included -- are taught by Gentiles :).
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:11:42 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Arthur Brenner <ARBCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Subject: Berlin Document Center
In reply to Warren Thompson's query about the availability of the Berlin Document Center files at the National Archives: according to the Spring 1995 newsletter of the Conference Group fo Central European History, about 10% of the files are currently available for use on microfilm, with the remainder (some 36,000 reels of microfilm) to be made available in stages until May 1996.
Good luck.
Arthur Brenner
Siena College
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:14:18 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "David G. Marwell" <DMarwell@aol.com> Subject: Re: Berlin Document Center
Microfilm copies of all BDC records are now at Archives II in College Park. As I understand it, only the SS and SA collections are currently available to researchers. The remaining collections are being prepared and will become available in the future.
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:31:42 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Jim Levie <NL314@aol.com> Subject: Re: Allied Jewish POWS in Germany
I am certain that there was far more than "rumors" in regard to the planned execution of Jewish POWs. According to Harold Jansen, a Dutch author, he has actually seen some of these orders (copies, I would imagine) calling for the execution of Jewish POWs.
Whether or not these orders drafted in Berlin applied to all POW camps, I am not certain...I did not inquire. My sole focus was Stalag Luft One, the camp that held my uncle until the end of the war.
I am not aware of any of these execution orders being carried out on a pre-planned scale. I suspect the Nazis did not carry out these orders to any large extent...
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:34:34 CDT Reply-To: hicks@webb.psych.ufl.edu Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: Suzanna Hicks <hicks@webb.psych.ufl.edu> Subject: Article of interest
There is an article in the most recent issue (June 23) of _The Chronicle of Higher Education_ called "Rational Fascists? Sociologist probes people's motives for supporting the Nazi Party" by Ellen K. Coughlin. Pgs. A10 and A13.
-Suzanna Hicks
University of Florida
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:10:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: material on Nazi propaganda film
From: Franklin Littell < FHL@VM.TEMPLE.EDU >
Judith Doneson, who has also published a book on films, can be addressed at 7553 Parkdale, Clayton MO 63105. F. Littell
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:17:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: Contact address for Prof. Wistrich
From: Saadia Alifa < saadia@HUM.HUJI.AC.IL >
You can reach Prof. Robert Wistrich at the following address:
Department of Jewish History
Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Mount Scopus
91905 Jerusalem
I don't know if the department has its own fax, but you can contact him at the university's central fax number: 972-2-322545. It might take an extra day to get to his office.
I tried locating an email address for him, but didn't find one.
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:22:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Editing a book on teaching the Holocaust
From: Charles Fishman < FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU >
Several previous requests for information about the numbers of Holocaust
Studies
programs offered in this country and the number of teachers involved with
Holocaust education have produced no observable blip on the screen. The sad
fact seems to be that *no organization* appears ready to share information
on
the names and addresses of individuals teaching Holocaust courses. I, too,
have
come up w/nada, despite specific requests for mailing lists from the U.S.
Holocaust Museum's Education division, chairs of Holocaust conferences, etc.
What are we protecting when we refuse to share information about those of us
who
are active in the field of Holocaust education?
Charles Fishman * Fishman@snyfarva.cc.farmingdale.edu Distinguished Service Professor * * * (516) 420-2031 (Voice) Dir., Visiting Writers Program * * * (516) 420-2051 (Fax) Knapp Hall * * * "Those who are alive receive a mandate
SUNY Farmingdale * from those who are silent forever." Farmingdale, NY 11735 --Czeslaw Milosz
Hi, I am working with the soon to be completed Museum of Jewish Heritage in
lower manhattan. I am an intern there and am compiling curriculum and
course
outlines for teaching the Holocaust. I have not gotten very many curriculum
for the ages requested but some do exist. One of the ways that I got some
of
the info I did was through the BJE (Board of Jewish Education). If I can be
of any other assistance please contact me at E-mail 76033,3703@csv.com or
contact me through the Museum at 342 madison Avenue, NYC, NY 10173
(212)687-9141
I hope some of this info is helpful.
--Darone Ruskay
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:39:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Editing a book on teaching the Holocaust
From: Sidney Bolkosky <sbolkosk@umd.umich.edu>
Charles,
Sorry not to have responded to the inquiries about Holocaust
curricula and programs. While we do not have a "program" here at the
Univ. of Michigan-Dearborn, I offer two courses, a generaly history of
the Holocaust and a seminar on the historiography of the Holocaust and we
also offer a comparative genocide course (about every 3 years). As to
other curricular materials, I have on occasion referred to *Life Unworthy
of Life: A Holocaust Curriculum* which is a National Diffusion Network
preferred curriculum and received high marks from Lucy Dawidowicz, Leo
Goldberger, Elie Wiesel, and others. It is published by Glencoe Press.
Best,
Sid Bolkosky
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:51:01 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Dr. Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu> Subject: memorials in former U.S.S.R.
Comments: cc: frenk@lea.spb.su
I am grateful to Alexander Frenkel for his kind offer to send a history of Holocaust memorials in the former U.S.S.R. The excellent exhibit of Holocaust memorials (from many parts of the world) at the (NYC) Jewish Museum last year was very thought-provoking, but clearly not all-oi all-inclusive. When I was in Poland, I visited Szulborze where there are two om monuments to the Jews who wee were murdered from Czyzew and nerby nearby towns in a special "action". I don't think that anyone not from this area knows anything about this. {I heard about it from survivors and was taken there by a kind man from the town who had been a child during the war; there are no signs leading to it--or directions available for it.] There must be other such memorials which were put up after the War. I wonder if anyone has plans to catalog all that exist.
Today was sthe unveiling for my cousin Seymour Moncarz, a survivor of Czyzew from whom I learned f much. He died last year--with all the "answers" to my unasked questions. I feel that the monuments and memorials that exist impel us to be memorials ourselves (especially as chroniclers and educators of the Holocaust). The opportunities provided by this holocaus list to continue to learn (even when "understanding" seems still a distant goal?) are important. I look forward to receiving Alexander Frenkel's history and hope that it will enable me to move toward greater understanding of the Holocaust and of the role of Holocaust memorials.
Harriet Lipman Sepinwall
College of Saint Elizabeth
Holocaust Education Resource Center
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:32:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Military establishments in concentration camps
From: Dr. Watson Holloway < holloway@S1500.BC.PEACHNET.EDU >
Could someone recommend sources on the military units in charge of the camps, particularly the officers--their military backgrounds, how chosen for these assignments, etc. Watson Holloway
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:32:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Need Help
From: Andrew Quinn < asq@COMPUTEK.NET>
Does someone have any information about how I can reach Devora Carmil and or Shlomo Breznitz. I think they are at the Ray D. Wolfe Centre for psychological Stress at the University of Haifa, Israel
Thank You,
Andrew S. Quinn
asq@computek.net
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:32:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Editing a Book on teaching the HOlocaust
From: George C. Browder < browder@fredonia.edu >
For list of faculty teaching the Holocaust and syllabi, try
Theodore Weiss, President
The Holocaust Educational Foundation
3130 Big Tree Lane
Wilmette, IL 60091
708-251-1952
Also Deborah A. Abowitz who is leading teh Foundation's efforts to prepare a teaching manual,
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:44:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Editing a book on teaching the Holocaust
From: George M Kren < kreng@KSU.KSU.EDU >
I have offered a Holocaust course in the history department here for more than a decade, usually every other year, at the junior/senior level, usually using one primary historical text--Nora Levin or Y. Bauer, when they were in p;rint, Dawidowicz or the book Leon Rappoport and I wrote, together with some paperbacks such as Survival in Auschwitz and Into that Darkness. I plan to use Brownings Ordinary Men in the future. I have the impression that there are no Holocaust specialists in the "elite" Unversities such as Harvard, Yale, Columbia, UCLA. though I have no information whether they offer Holocaust courses. From holoweb@h-net.msu.edu Mon Aug 26 12:53:28 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:52:33 -0400 (EDT) From: HOLOCAUS Gopherspace <holoweb@h-net.msu.edu> To: HOLOCAUS Gopherspace <holoweb@h-net.msu.edu> Subject: log 9506e
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:10:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: "Topography of Terror"
From: Bruce Edwards < MereEglise@AOL.COM >
During a visit to Berlin in May I visited what was known as the Prinz-Albrecht-Strasse terrain _ the site of the former headquarters of the SS, Gestapo and Reichssicherheitshauptamt.
It was a sobering visit to say the least. The buildings, including the
old
Prinz Albrecht Hotel, were were heavily damaged during the war have long
since been razed. To the casual observer walking past it appears nothing
more
than an abandoned lot strewn with small pieces of bricks and morter. Much of
the debris has been buldozed into several large mounds of earth at the far
end of the property adjacent to what is The Industrial Arts Museum.
But looks can be deceiving. The site is marked with a plain while banner. Black letters spell out its horrific past: Topopgraphy of Terror.
The site is in the process of being made into a memorial to the victms of
the SS, Gestapo and the SD. There are a series of markers around the site
that detail the history and the crimes committed by those in charge. Mention
is also made of some of the victims some of whom were held in the Gestapo
prison (Hausgefangnis).
Parts of the foundation have also been preserved and are covered with
plywood. (For what reason, I don't know). There is also a temporary musem on
site filled with black and white photograhs many of which hang suspended
from
the floor and ceiling with wire. There are also looseleaf binders available
for inspection that contain the dossiers of the victims.
An excellent book by the same name "Topography of Terror" is available at the museum. The 236-page paperback describes the post and pre-war use of the property and those responsible for carrying out the Holocaust and other crimes. The book was edited by Reinhard Rurup and is available in English.
Bruce Edwards
MereEglise@aol.com
17 Washington St.
Rutland, Vt. 05701
From: Thelma Leal < tleal@SONPO.SONS1.UTMB.EDU >
I would like to extend my thanks to the people who kindly responded to my query regarding the role of nurses in the concentration camps. I have received important and useful references and resources and have made some important contacts world-wide. Since joining the listserver a few months ago, I have enjoyed it and looked forward to reading the latest entries first thing every morning. So again many thanks.
As a follow-up to my original request, I was wondering if anyone knows how I
could get in touch with Vera Laska, who wrote the book "Women in the
Resistance". I am interested in using some of the photographs in the book
for an educational slide presentation next month highlighting our research
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:55:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: Leni Riefenstahl Documentary on PBS
From: David Dickerson < ddickerson@IGC.ORG >
This week I received the program guide for our local PBS affiliate and read with interest that they will broadcast Ray Muller's 1993 film, THE WONDERFUL, HORRIBLE LIFE OF LENI RIEFENSTAHL, on Wednesday, July 5. I assume that many PBS affiliates in the United States will also be broadcasting this film during the week of July 2-8 and I wanted to bring this information to the attention of the HOLOCAUS list.
Muller's film spans Riefenstahl's entire career, from her early days as a dancer and star of Arnold Fanck's mountain films, through her career as a director, film maker, and photographer.
Riefenstahl directed her first film, DAS BLAUE LICHT (The Blue Light) in 1931, but she is, of course, best known for her propaganda film of the Nazis' Nuremberg Party Convention in 1934 -- TRIUMPH DES WILLENS (Triumph of the Will) -- as well as OLYMPIAD (Olympia), a film about the 1936 Olympic games in Berlin.
At almost 93, Riefenstahl is still working, and scuba dives regularly (often filming underwater). Muller's film is 182 minutes long and in German (with English subtitles in the U.S.), with footage in color and black and white.
How should we judge the life and works of a great
artist who uses her talents in the service of a
reprehensible ideology? An innovator who revo-
lutionized documentary cinematography in works
that romanticized Nazi rhetoric?
-- Marty Haas
On a related note, I'd like to mention that Celluloid Chronicles Press has a "Chronicle Film Script Series" and, in 1990, published an English translation of the original screenplay of TRIUMP DES WILLENS, by David Calvert Smith. Despite several editorial mistakes, I have found the book to be a useful reference. I don't know if the book is still in print, but the publisher's address is as follows:
Celluloid Chronicles Press
P.O. Box 850331
Richardson, Texas 75085-0331
According to David C. Smith's commentary, this book marks "the very first time the original shooting script has been made available in the English language in its complete and unedited version." (p. 10)
Celluloid Chronicles also distributes videotapes and has a catalogue "of over 100 German, Italian, and Japanese propaganda films of WW II." (p. 88)
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:55:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: memorials in former U.S.S.R.
From: Lucia Ruedenberg < lucia@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL >
Harriet:
> Today was sthe unveiling for my cousin Seymour Moncarz, a survivor > of Czyzew from whom I learned f much. He died last year--with all > the "answers" to my unasked questions. I feel that the monuments > and memorials that exist impel us to be memorials ourselves (especially > as chroniclers and educators of the Holocaust). The opportunities > provided by this holocaus list to continue to learn (even when > "understanding" seems still a distant goal?) are important. I
this is very interesting to me. could you say more about feeling like a memorial?
thanks.
lucia
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:32:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Article by George Steiner
From: Michael Schuldiner < ffmjs@AURORA.ALASKA.EDU >
Someone recently mentioned in a posting an article by George Steiner on Nazi terminology--the way the Nazis perverted the German language to suit their ends. I wonder whether someone could give me the full bibliographical citation, or perhaps just the title of the article.
Michael Schuldiner
FFMJS@AURORA.ALASKA.EDU
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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:47:00 CDT
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: FW: Dates of the first action in Warszawa Ghetto
From: Romuald Wroblewski < Romuald.Wroblewski@ONKPAT.KI.SE >
22 of July - 21 of September 300.000 Jews from Warszawa getto were brought to Treblinka and murdured - Is the 21 of september a correct date of the end of this first action ? My grandfather and grandmother were send to Treblinka on 26 of July. My mother escaped in late August 1942. Janusz Korczak and 200 children were taken on August 5th, 1942. The second action took place 18-22 od January 1943. Please comment !!!
Could You please give me correct date of the end of the action. According to survivors action never ended - and trains continuued to leave Umschlagsplatz daily.
Romuald (Wasserman) Wroblewski
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:47:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Looking for a Nazi Song
From: Danny Keren < dkeren@MATHCS2.HAIFA.AC.IL >
Hi everybody,
I am trying to locate the name and lyrics of a Nazi song that has the words "when Jewish blood flows from our knives". I recall seeing it in either the "Red Series" (Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression) or the "Green Series" (Trials of War Criminals). I think it was sung by the Hitler Youth or some such organization.
Someone mailed me that there's a scene in the movie "Europa, Europa" in which the members of some Nazi organization sing this song.
Thanks,
-Danny.
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:43:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Leni Riefenstahl Document
From: DClemens < DClemens@AOL.COM >
As I recall, Riefenstahl's disclaimer is that she believed she was working
for peace. I know other listmembers are far more conversant with her work
than I, but I recently obtained a videotape of Day of Freedom--Our Fighting
Forces, described as "ordered made by the Fuehrer himself." It is a 17
minute glorification of the German military machine. So much for peace.
Incidentally, I was fortunate enough to have access to a film. rather than
video, version of Triumph of the Will. My class saw some of each and the
film is frighteningly more effective. For students to truly feel the impact
of propaganda, I suggest listmembers try to use the film itself. We also
saw
a few minutes of The Blue Light, an interesting source for nascent Teutonic
mysticism which flowers in Triumph of the Will.
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:43:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Military establishments in concentration camps
From: nathan kravetz < hcedu005@HUEY.CSUN.EDU >
Some time ago American Jewish Archives in Cincinnati published a work by
Major (now Colonel, Ret.) Irving Heymont who was officer in charge of the
Landsberg DP Camp in 1945. A combat infantry officer, Heymont says the
army did not know he was Jewish when he was assigned to this post at
Landsberg. The war had run down and the camps were being emptied; this
camp, he insisted, would hold only Jewish survivors--and that's what it
was. His book is a series of letters to his wife; they are beautifully
written and provide an important historical document of this special DP
camp. The town still holds reunions for the survivors.
Nathan Kravetz
Los Angeles
On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Mott, Jim wrote:
> From: Dr. Watson Holloway < holloway@S1500.BC.PEACHNET.EDU >
>
> Could someone recommend sources on the military units in charge of the
> camps, particularly the officers--their military backgrounds, how chosen
for
> these assignments, etc. Watson Holloway
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:43:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Editing a book on teaching the Holocaust
From: Froma I. Zeitlin < FIZ@PUCC >
UCLA has Saul Friedlander as prof of Holocaust studies. Harvard has had
Eric
Goldhagen teaching such courses; I teach one at Princeton and I suppose I
should mention Arno Mayer, although he's about to retire. Yale has no such
permanent course but have had visitors teaching one (such as Mary
Felstiner).
Columbia oddly enough, to my knowledge, has not given such a course,
although Paxton in the history dept coauthored the book on Vichy France and
the Jews.
Froma Zeitlin
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:38:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Looking for a roster of Holocaust Teachers
From: Jerry Rosenberg < JROSENBE@UA1VM.UA.EDU >
I teach a number of courses on the Holocaust here at the University of
in the Psychology Department and in the New College which is an
undergraduate
division. Courses are taught at the Huntsville campus by Rabbi Steve n
Jacobs
and I believe one or two other courses are taught a colleges here in
Alabama.
A working roster of Holocaust Teachers would be very useful. Jerry Rosenberg
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:23:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Military establishments in concentration camps
From: Sidney Bolkosky < sbolkosk@UMD.UMICH.EDU >
Just an addendum to Nathan Kravetz posting about Col. Heymont who
believed that the American authorities were not aware that he was
Jewish. One of my interviewees at UM-Dearborn, a liberator, was an 18
year old Jewish soldier from Brooklyn. When his outfit approached
Landsberg he and five others were assigned to open the camp as the rest
of the unit moved on. He, too, believed that it was coincidental that
five of the six soldiers were Jews. I find it mysterious, intriguing
even, that from an American outfit of considerable size, probably the
majority of Jewish soldiers were assigned to "open" the camp.
Sid Bolkosky
UM-Dearborn
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:23:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: Editing a book on teaching the Holocaust
From: Nancy Harrowitz < nharrow@ACS.BU.EDU >
I'm responding to the question regarding a purported lack of Holocaust specialists at Yale, Columbia, etc. Here is a partial list off the top of my head:
Geoffrey Hartman, a well-known literary critic and Holocaust specialist, is at Yale. Andreas Huyssens, who wrote abook on Holocaust memorials, is at Columbia. Susan Suleiman,another well-known literary critic, is currently writing on Holocaust memoirs and she is at Harvard. And I believe that Saul Friedlander, the historian, is at UCLA.
Nancy Harrowitz
Boston University
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:07:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: "Topography of Terror"
From: ddickerson@igc.apc.org (David Dickerson)
I want to thank Mr. Bruce Edwards <MereEglise@AOL.COM> for his very informative message about the Topography of Terror Foundation in Berlin.
> An excellent book by the same name "Topography of Terror" > is available at the museum. The 236-page paperback > describes the post and pre-war use of the property and > those responsible for carrying out the Holocaust and > other crimes. The book was edited by Reinhard Rurup and > is available in English.
Mr. Edwards, thanks also for describing this book available from the Foundation. I'd like to mention another Englishlanguage publication by the Topography of Terror Foundation and also provide to the HOLOCAUS list information how to contact the Foundation.
I am fortunate enough to have a copy of the Foundation's twenty-four page booklet, "Making Historical Sites Visible: Holocaust Memorials in Germany," by Thomas Lutz of the Foundation's Memorial Museums Department; actually, the booklet is a special edition of the Foundation's newsletter, GENDENSTAETTEN-RUNDBRIEF. (Last fall, another member of the HOLOCAUS list heard Thomas Lutz speak at his college in the United States and obtained extra copies of this booklet, which he was kind enough to share.)
This booklet is very interesting reading and, since it is a relatively small publication, it might be worth contacting the Topography of Terror Foundation to see if it is still available and to request a copy.
You may reach the Foundation at the following address:
Topography of Terror Foundation
Memorial Museums Department
Budapester Strasse 44
D-10787 Berlin
Federal Republic of Germany
Phone: ++49-30-25489-232
Fax: ++49-30-25489-135
Here is a bit more information about the Foundation, from the first page of the booklet:
...Initially founded in order to organize only a
temporary exhibition, the independent Topography
of Terror Foundation (Stiftung Topographie des
Terrors) will be established as a permanent
institution, due to overwhelming public interest
in the exhibition. It has received between 100,000
and 150,000 visitors annually. Future plans for
the documentation center include a visitors
center, an educational center, an archive and a
library, as well as additional space for temporary
and permanent exhibits.
The foundation is funded by the Berlin Senate and
the Federal Republic of Germany.
The academic director is Professor Reinhard Ruerup
(Department of History, Technical University
Berlin); the executive director is Dr. Andreas
Nachama and the senior historians are Frank
Dingel, Klaus Hesse, and Andreas Sander.
The memorial museums department was founded in
1983 by Action Reconciliation -- Services for
Peace (Aktion Suehnezeichen Friedensdienste) and
entrusted to the Topography of Terror Foundation
in February 1993. It was designed to facilitate
communication among hitherto isolated memorial
museums in Germany and to coordinate their
activities. The primary responsibility of the
department is to stimulate communication and to
initiate and sustain the exchange of information
among memorial museums in Germany and abroad by
means of editing and publishing the newsletter
>>Gendenkstaetten-Rundbrief<< and by organizing
and running research and study seminars. It also
advises and serves as a resource consultant to the
directors and staffs of other German memorial
museums on issues of research, the conception and
planning of exhibitions, pedagogy and lobbying.
Finally it communications and cooperates with
other museums, institutions, organizations and
community groups concerned with the history of
Nazi crimes. Thomas Lutz is in charge of this
department.
Again, I thank Mr. Bruce Edwards <MereEglise@AOL.COM> for his informative message.
Please let me know if anyone has any questions. (Also, I would welcome insights about the Topography of Terror Foundation from members of the HOLOCAUS list who are in Germany.)
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 10:30:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Dates of the first action in Warszawa Ghetto
From: Hank.Greenspan < hank.greenspan@um.cc.umich.edu >
On the question of deportations to Treblinka--
In _Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka_, Yitzhak Arad writes: "The last transport of the 'big expulsion' from the Warsaw Ghetto arrived on September 21, 1942. It compromised about 2,200 people, including the Jewish police, who had taken part in the deportations from the ghetto, and their families." (p. 99) Arad cites Gutman, _The Jews of Warsaw_, here.
In the appendix of Arad's book, the dates of major deportations are summarized. There are no deportations from the Warsaw district listed after Sept. 27. However, deportations continue to arrive from Radom, Opatow, and many other places. In terms of the 18-22 January dates that Roma specifically mentions, these happen to coincide exactly with a large acktion/deportation from Grodno (to both Auschwitz and Treblinka). Could that be related?
Hank Greenspan, U-Michigan
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 10:30:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: memorials and educators
From: "Dr.Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu>
Dear Lucia:
When I am successful in teaching about the Holocaust to my
undergraduate and graduate college students and to the
teachers in my workshops, I find that they return to me
often to talk, reflect, and share ideas and feelings. I
want very much to be "successful" in this way. Many of
them have followed up their work with me by taking
additional courses, independent reading, visiting the
Holocaust Museum in D.C., and/or developing curriculum
for their own students. I spend a great deal of time
preparing for each class session and eACh workshop.
I know that I have very little time to accomplish something
that is important--and I want, very much, to (at least)
do enough to make my students begin to "care", "know",
"think", and "feel". I was very influenced by
Benjamin Meed, President of the American Gathering of
Jewish Holocaust Survivors, and his wife Vladka K Meed
who took me to Poland and israel to study. They do
not wast an They do not waste any time! If, as a
teacher, I can sstand for something and res
represent to my students something about Holocaust
education which is meaningful to them (like the
importance of learning more), then, maybl maybe,
this is my role. I think that the best "memorials"
teach and make people think; perhaps, in that way,
I feel that my role is like that of a "memorial".
I hope that this helps to explain why I wrote
what I did in my recent posting.
Harriet Sepinwall
College of Saint Elizabeth
Holocaust Education Resource Center
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:10:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: George Steiner citation
From: Michael L. Michlin < mmichlin@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU >
. . .I believe that the matter of the relations between
language and political inhumanity is a crucial one; and
because I believe that it can be seen with specific and
tragic urgency in respect of the uses of German in the
Nazi period and in the acrobatics of oblivion which
followed on the fall of Nazism.
------George Steiner
I trust that there are many readers of George Steiner on the list so I
hesitate
to post, but not having yet seen any suggestions, I'll offer a place to get
into his work on language and the Nazis.
I would turn to his early collection, Language And Silence; Essays On
Language,
Literature, And The Inhuman [New York: Atheneum, 1967, (Dewey: 801 St35) and
an
'82 paperback ed.]. Within Language And Silence, I have in mind the
selections
gathered under the heading, "Language Out Of Darkness," especially the first
essay, "The Hollow Miracle."
Michael Michlin
Health Sciences Minority Program
University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:10:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust courses at "elite" schools
From: Ian_Reifowitz < Ian_Reifowitz_at_USHMM@INETGATE.USHMM.ORG >
There are a number of courses taught at Brown,
which, although not on the original "elite"
list, might be of interest to the person who first
asked about Holocaust courses. The History of the
Holocaust is taught alternately by Prof. Vicki
Caron and another Prof. whose name escapes me.
A course on Holocaust literature is also offered,
again I don't have a name. Perhaps someone out
there can recall the profs. I hope this
information is helpful.
Ian Reifowitz
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:40:00 CDT
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: Re: Leni Riefenstahl Document
From: Harry Zee < zee@SATURN.ROWAN.EDU >
A qualifier about film vs. video. I have also seen TofW in its film version.
I just finished teaching my second section on the Holocaust at a local
community college. I had taught it as an upper division course the previous
summer at a four-year college. The advantage I had this time was that the
community colleg has several good quality video projectors with a large
scree
available in my room. At the four-year school, I was restricted to using the
normal vcr/26" monitor setup.
The difference is simply amazing. With the projector/large screen setup, the
students attention/involvement is significantly higher and physically
noticable. Verbal feedback about what has been shown also demonstrates a
noticable increase. The school has just gotten a high resolution projector
that also allows for letterboxing. I had it set up in a large lecture hall
along with a large speaker stereo hookup. Along with the new projector, a
new
high res extra large screen was also in this hall. I did an open showing for
the college of Schindler's List using my laser disc copy. Trust me, you
would
have had no complaints!
I use the projector(s) for all my video presentations at the community
college
and absolutely refuse to go back to using a monitor. Unfortunatly, I can't
get
the History Dept. at the four year school to cough up the funds for a
similar
system. As I also end up West. Civ II with a review of the Holocaust, many,
if
not most of my students are getting exposed to it in a meaningful and
impactive
way.
For those at colleges with a decent a/v budget, I highly recommend you
looking
into this as an alternative to monitors as standard classrooms can
accomodate
the setup quite readily.
Harry Zee
Adjunct Professor/History
Rowan College of NJ
Gloucester County College
zee@saturn.rowan.edu
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:05:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust Memorial In Germany
From: Bruce Edwards < MereEglise@aol.com >
Germany announced this week that it had finalized plans for a national memorial to the victims of the Holocaust.
To be located just south of the Brandenburg Gate, the 110,000-square-foot stone will be engraved with the names of 4.2 million Jews from 18 European countries who have been identified by Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial as victims.
The memorial will also contain space for the addition of two million
other
victims whose names are at the present time unkown.
The German government and the Berlin government will contribute $3.6 million with another $14.4 million to be raised through donations. The federal government is also donating the land valued at $28.8 million.
Bruce Edwards
MereEglise@aol.com
[ forwarded from <Poland-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> ]
# Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:04:25 +0800 # From: "Tadeusz K. Gierymski" <tkgierym@K-VECTOR.CHEM.WASHINGTON.EDU> # Subject: Germany plans Holocaust memorial.
> GERMANY TO BUILD > HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL > An immense gravestone inscribed with the names of > millions of Jews killed by Nazi regime will be built > in central Berlin as a national Holocaust memorial, > German officials announced. Measuring more than > 100 yards square, the memorial - a huge concrete slab, > slightly canted from the horizontal, and covered with > engraved granite plates - will be built in the former > no man's land of the Berlin Wall between the > Brandenburg Gate and the weedy lot marking the site > of Adolf Hitler's underground bunker. > Groundbreaking is scheduled to begin in 1966.
> Star Tribune, June 29, 1995
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:46:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Looking for a Nazi Song
> From: Danny Keren < dkeren@MATHCS2.HAIFA.AC.IL >
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am trying to locate the name and lyrics of a Nazi song that
> has the words "when Jewish blood flows from our knives". I recall
> seeing it in either the "Red Series" (Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression)
> or the "Green Series" (Trials of War Criminals). I think it was
> sung by the Hitler Youth or some such organization.
>
> Someone mailed me that there's a scene in the movie "Europa, Europa"
> in which the members of some Nazi organization sing this song.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Danny.
>
It is a Hitler Youth song--if I find the words, will send. I think there was a similar inscription on Hitler Youth knives. Stephen Feinstein
See: Meyer, Michael: The Politics of Music in the third Reich (New York : Peter Lang, 1991), p. 73.
Sharpen the long knives at the sidewalk!/Let the knives glide into Jewish bodies!/Thick blood must flow,/We shit on the freedom of the Jewish republic./Should the hour of retaliation arrive,/We are prepared for any mass murder./Up with the Hohensollerns on the lamp-post!/Let the dogs hang until they fall down!/A black pig is hanging in the synagogue,/Throw a hand grenade into parliaments!/Throw the concubine out of princely beds,/smear the guillotine with Jewish fat!
The reference for this "lyric" is Joseph Wulf, Musik im Dritten Reich (Guetersloh, 1966), p.266. No title is given.
Paul H. Hamburg
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The song is probably the "Horst Wessel Lied". I regret that I cannot provide the lyrics at the moment.
Gaston L. Schmir
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:46:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: FW: memorials and educators
From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Harriet,
Agreed. But in talking with people who just came back from Auschwitz,
other camps and memorials in the East, they had a feeling that something
had broken down. The complaint was as follows:
--too many large groups
--too many laughing and loud students, Americans and others.
--crowds at places like Osiwecim made for no reflection at all.
--great fear that too many people go no knowing the story, try to
absorb it all on the spot, and fail.
--fear that a Disneyland experience was on the horizon.
Class situations are one thing. Memorial sites are another. Stephen Feinstein
On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Mott, Jim wrote:
> From: "Dr.Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu>
>
> Dear Lucia:
> When I am successful in teaching about the Holocaust to my
> undergraduate and graduate college students and to the
> teachers in my workshops, I find that they return to me
> often to talk, reflect, and share ideas and feelings. I
> want very much to be "successful" in this way. Many of
> them have followed up their work with me by taking
> additional courses, independent reading, visiting the
> Holocaust Museum in D.C., and/or developing curriculum
> for their own students. I spend a great deal of time
> preparing for each class session and eACh workshop.
> I know that I have very little time to accomplish something
> that is important--and I want, very much, to (at least)
> do enough to make my students begin to "care", "know",
> "think", and "feel". I was very influenced by
> Benjamin Meed, President of the American Gathering of
> Jewish Holocaust Survivors, and his wife Vladka K Meed
> who took me to Poland and israel to study. They do
> not wast an They do not waste any time! If, as a
> teacher, I can sstand for something and res
> represent to my students something about Holocaust
> education which is meaningful to them (like the
> importance of learning more), then, maybl maybe,
> this is my role. I think that the best "memorials"
> teach and make people think; perhaps, in that way,
> I feel that my role is like that of a "memorial".
> I hope that this helps to explain why I wrote
> what I did in my recent posting.
> Harriet Sepinwall
> College of Saint Elizabeth
> Holocaust Education Resource Center
> 2 Convent Road
> Morristown, NJ 07960
> sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:21:00 CDT Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Military establishments in concentration camps
From: Herman Cohen < HXC3@PSUVM.PSU.EDU >
The preponderance of Jewish American soldiers at the liberation of the camps
has interested me for more than 50 years. I was one of a number of GIs sent
to
interrogate survivors at Dachau. As I recall, all of us were Jewish, from
various
units. I have always assumed that we were chosen on the presupposition
that we spoke, or at least understood, Yiddish.
Herman Cohen
Emeritus Penn State