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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:50:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust Survey...North Dakota
From: "David A. Meier" <DAVID_MEIER@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU>
Holocaust Survey
Dickinson State University (Dickinson, North Dakota) is running its first Holocaust course ever this semester. Using a survey which I found (and modified slightly) through this list, my students obtained the following results. You will note that the final part of the survey included a written question. The answers which I received will eventually make it onto the list. I don't think that these results will astound everyone.
David A. Meier
Survey Results
655 individuals answered the following questions:
DSU Student: (1) Yes (50.4%) (2) No (46.7%)
Sex: (1) male (45.3%) (2) female (50.5%)
Age: (1) 18-20 (29.0%) (2) 21-25 (22.4%)
(3) 26-30 (13.0%) (4) 31-40 (13.4%) (5)
41+
(21.5%)
Education: (1) High School (21.2%) (2) Freshman-Sophomore (36.9%)
(3) Junior-Senior (22.3%) (4) BA/BS+ (17.4%)
(1) Strongly Disagree (2) Disagree (3) Agree (4) Strongly Agree
(1) (2) (3) (4)
06.9 41.5 38.0 13.0 1. Jews stick together more than other Americans.
09.6 56.5 25.6 07.9 2. Jews always like to be at the head of things.
09.2 46.4 33.3 10.4 3. Jews more loyal to Israel than America.
19.1 58.0 16.6 05.6 4. Jews have too much power in the US today.
17.1 56.4 20.8 05.0 5. Jews have too much control or influence on Wall
Street. 16.2 58.3 18.2 06.6 6. Jews have too much power in the business world. 23.5 50.1 20.6 05.5 7. Jews have a lot of irritating faults. 19.7 56.2 18.9 04.6 8. Jews are more willing than others to use shady
practices to get what they want. 22.3 54.7 17.9 04.7 9. Jewish businessmen are so shrewd that others
don't have a fair chance in
competition.
21.7 51.7 21.4 04.7 10. Jews do not care what happens to anyone but
their own kind. 06.7 24.0 55.3 13.3 11. Jews are just as honest as other businessmen. 25.7 46.6 19.6 07.3 12. Jews are essentially responsible for killing
Jesus Christ. 19.9 53.1 21.3 05.5 13. Jews all tend to look alike. 13.8 56.9 23.2 05.7 14. Jews are overly influential in banking. 24.4 46.4 20.8 07.8 15. Jews tend to over-emphasize the significance of
Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust. 08.4 39.4 41.7 09.9 16. Jewish history is distinct and separate from
America history. 10.2 55.7 24.6 04.0 17. Most Jews are foreigners. 12.8 56.9 19.4 05.5 18. Jews do not want to integrate into American
society. 12.1 56.2 22.3 03.8 19. Jews are better educated than the average
American. 18.6 59.2 12.1 02.1 20. Jews have a higher IQ than the average
American.
Finally, complete the following: All Jews are
________________________________,
________________________________, and
_______________________________.
( Final answers being processed!)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:50:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust Resource Catalog
From: Robert S. Rittierodt <rsrittier@aol.com
I recently came across a resource and material catalog for teaching about the Holocaust while teaching at a high school last semester.
It is a 32 page catalog put out by Social Studies School Service and contains books, videos, resource books and curriculum guides. The items cover a wide range of topics concerning hate, prejudice, Anti-Semitism as well as the Holocaust itself. All target age groups are well represented!
The following address and phone numbers can be used to attain a free catalog.
SOCIAL STUDIES SCHOOL SERVICE
10200 Jefferson Boulevard, Room J211
P.O. Box 802
Culver City, CA 90232-0802
Telephone:
(800)421-4246
(310)839-2436
Fax#:
(310)839-2249
Cordially,
Robert S. Rittierodt
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:39:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Need info on Nuremberg Prosecutor
From: THOMPSON@LVC.EDU
Would anyone out there have a postal or e-mail address or a FAX number for Telford Taylor, the Nuremberg military prosecutor?
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 15:57:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Help for Eighth-Grader on Mengele
From: GLUCKD@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Dear Colleagues,
I received the following letter this morning and would appreciate any help
that anyone can offer this child, either responding via me or directly to
her:
301 East Fairmont Parkway
La Porte, Texas 77571
Dear Sir or Madam,
My name is Katy Alavarado and I am an eighth grader at La Porte Junior High
in La Porte, Texas. I am doing a history fair project on Dr. Mengele and
his
insane experiments at the death camp, Auschwitz. If you have the names of
any
twins who survived Auschwitz or anyone who knew Dr. Mengele in any capacity,
could you please send me their names and addresses?
I realize this is a difficult task, but I was told you would be more than
helpful in trying to share this necessary information with students who are
trying to learn about the atrocities of the Holocaust. I do greatly
appreciate
your time and efforts. Please send any information to the above address in
care of my teacher, Margaret Cox.
Thank you,
Katy D. Alavarado
Obviously, we all cheer when we hear of efforts by those in far-flung places
around the country trying to bring some light into the subject, so whatever
help anyone can provide will benefit us all.
Denise Gluck
Joint Distribution Committee
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:02:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: The Sunflower and Man's Search for Meaning
From: RJPrys@aol.com
Gary S. Weissman writes:
>>I have just read [these texts] recently and find them both to be awfully strange, in part because both present the Nazi camp as backdrop for theoretical gymnastics around the theme of 'man on trial' in some sense.<<
I must say that I have very serious problems with one's characterizing
Frankl's text in this way (I've not read Wiesenthal's book and so I cannot
comment on it here). This description sounds like a Langerian approach to
Frankl's work, which, though provocative, begs more than a few questions.
Frankl doesn't "present the Nazi camp as a backdrop for theoretical
gymnastics around the theme of 'man on trial'"; I don't mean to be
offensive,
but I find such trivializations of survivor testimony to be very
ill-advised.
Frankl suffered, and he suffered greatly. Auschwitz wasn't a linguistic or
moral game, one in which survivors staged scenes of philosophical play,
either before or after the events that they suffered through. If Frankl's
way of coping involves what some of his critics find to be his imposition of
a problematic teleology on the events that he endured, so be it. Who are
any
of us to say how survivors should or should not attempt to cope with their
trauma?
I would agree that Frankl doesn't speak for every survivor. No survivor does. But his testimony is valid as surivivor testimony, and his theories concerning survival represent serious attempts for him to come to terms with a world gone mad.
Again, I do not mean to be offensive here, but I must admit that I have become a bit impatient with attacks on Frankl's work, especially those that, however unwittingly, trivialize his efforts to deal with his and other survivors' real pain and suffering.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:02:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Need Information on Liberators
From: TPHYLL@aol.com
I was wondering if anyone on the list knows of an organization with data on liberators, that is, who they are, where they live, how one could contact them, etc. I intend to contact the local veterans groups here, but I was wondering if there's a group I could call nationally. I seem to remember that there is such a group. I remember reading that the actor Glen Ford belongs to this group. Any help would be appreciated. Phyllis Leff Univ. of Missouri Kansas City TPHYLL@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:02:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Who was to blame?
From: Steve Paulsson <gsp3@leicester.ac.uk>
Continuing a controversy, Aharon Meytahl writes:
The fact is the Holocaust was
perpetrated by Germans and not by any other nation.
and
To say the least, the Holocaust
is a monumental event of German history.
I don't teach the Holocaust that way, I don't know anyone else that does, and I don't know of any text that presents it that way.
The Holocaust was a monumental event of European history. It was continental in scope, involving governments and individuals from all parts of Europe (and not only Europe). It had roots in European traditions of anti-Semitism, nationalism, militarism, imperialism, and also in various pseudo-scientific theories which enjoyed a vogue all over Europe.
At the other extreme, it was rooted in the peculiar character and personality of Hitler himself, which was clearly pathological and unlike that of any other dictator.
The most urgent lesson is that a powerful country like Germany ought to be especially careful about who it chooses as a leader, and ought to be especially on guard against letting itself be seduced by xenophobic doctrines.
The country which, at the moment, needs to pay the closest attention to that lesson is not Germany (which is painfully aware of the consequences) but Russia.
Steve Paulsson tel. (44)116 252 2802 Dept of History fax (44)116 252 3986
University of Leicester
University Road
Leicester LE1 7RH England
For experience should have taught him that few are the good, and few the evil, and that the great majority of men are in the interval between them. (Plato, Phaedo)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:27:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Raoul Wallenberg
From: H2953Val%HUELLA@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
>I believe that 1947 is also the year printed on the death >certificate for Wallenberg which the Soviets produced, isn't >it? (It would be interesting to compare the date of the >sighting of Wallenberg which you mention, George, with the >date printed on the death certificate.)
Sorry, David, I don't remember the exact date of that document with the sighting of Raoul Wallenberg. May be, it was not cited at all in the newspaper printing the news about finding that document several weeks ago.
Cordially,
George
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:32:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Who Exactly Was Alois Brunner?
From: mskerem@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (yitzchak kerem)
He was one of organizers of deportation sof Jews of Greece and also was
active
in France. He was a brutl beast. The details of his last few years are
uncertain
. He may not be dead and his cover name(s) are not entirleycertain.
Yitzchak Kerem
mskerem@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:32:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: National streotypes and the Holocaust
From: MandJSimon@aol.com
Germany has no monopoly on racial warfare. They were just the most efficient due largely to technology. Japan in China, USSR in The Ukraine, US in Africa and N. America are just a few examples of "advanced and educated" societies engaging in racial warfare. Our lesson should be that government should not be in the killing business, especially when it involves targeting groups of people for whatever reason.
Aharon Meytahl wrote:
> If a person defines himself or herself as a German, a > Pole, a Something, he or she subscribe to the national > culture, Geist and history. To say the least, the Holocaust > is a monumental event of German history. If you are a > German, you cannot say that "I am a German, as long as > we deal with Goethe, Schiller and Beethoven, and when > we deal with Hitler, I am an Eskimo or American > Indian." In this context all Germans share the > responsibility of what has happened.
Well, here the issue is joined between nationalists and anti-nationalists.
First, few people have the option of 'defining ' themselves as German, or 'subscribing' to the national culture (whatever that is); their national identity is given to them at birth, and they are stuck with it.
Second, I wouldn't give 'the Germans' the credit for Beethoven, either.
Sure,
there is something 'German' about Beethoven's music: it comes out of the
German musical tradition and its style is recognizably German. If he had
been
born a Czech or a Russian, his music would have sounded different, no doubt.
But would his talent have been smaller, would the music have been less
great?
And if we ARE going to give Beethoven to 'the' Germans, should we say,
'the Germans are a musical people, it's in their culture'? Nonsense.
Bavarian
'umpa' music is a great deal more typical of German musicality than
Beethoven
is. A nation of couch potatoes can produce a Carl Lewis. It's mostly a
matter of money and resources.
German nationalists in the thirties puffed themselves up with the thought
that,
since 'they' produced more Beethovens, Schillers and Kants than anybody
else,
obviously 'they' must be vastly superior to anybody else, and
especially to all those uncultured Untermenschen to the East. Because
these theings were somehow the product of the German 'Blut und
Boden'. Aharon wants to concede them that thought, and then argue
that 'they' produced Hitler as well.
Who are 'the Germans', anyway? Heine? Mahler? Einstein? Marx? Freud? Anne Frank? All of them products of the German Geist and therefore responsible for the Holocaust.
Most modern theorists of nationalism would say that a 'nation' is a
construct
created by 19th century ideologues, and a rather arbitrary one at that. Any
'national culture' turns out to dissolve, on closer inspection, into all
sorts
of
sub-cultures based on region, class, race, gender, language, religion
or whatever, which are often at odds with each other. What, exactly, do
Harvard
and Harlem have in common that makes them both 'American'? Is Muhammad
('ain't no Viet Cong never called me nigger') Ali to blame for Vietnam,
e.g.?
And, on the other hand, every national culture is part of a more general
culture. Only a nationalist world-view regards national distictions
as primary. Why is Beethoven 'German' in particular, rather than
'European',
'dead white male', 'middle class', 'Nineteenth-century', 'Romantic',
or any of the many other ways he could be classified? And why is
Hitler 'German' (particularly since he was Austrian), rather than a
European dead white male middle class essentially nineteenth century
romantic radical nationalist imperialist psychopathic megalomanic paranoid
sadistic right-wing charismatic demagogue?
If I am picking adjectives out of that list with a view to assigning collective responsibility, I would pick the ones that have to do with choices Hitler made rather than things that were accidents of birth: radical, nationalist, imperialist, right-wing, in a word: Nazi.
Principles: (1) moral judgments only about things that are a matter of choice; (2) individual qualities to be applied only to individuals
> The Germans were the killers. Not only, Hitler, Himmler > and Eichmann, also "ordinary men", not only SS also the > Wehrmacht.
'The' Germans? Anne Frank too?
> I fail to grasp how it is possible to research "might have > been".
All historiography deals, implicitly or explicitly, with what "might have been". To say that A is the cause of B is to imply that if A had not happened, B also would not have happened. To say that the German 'Geist' was responsible for the Holocaust is to imply that if that Geist had been different, the Holocaust would not have occurred. To say that Polish anti-Semitism prevented escapes from the ghetto is to imply that if there had been less anti-Semitism, there might have been more escapes (as indeed I believe to be the case).
I do not propose to engage Aharon on the subject of Poland. We have
recently had a go-round of these issues on the List and I don't want
to get into all that again. I will observe only that all stereotypes
have some basis in fact, and merely marshalling facts in support of a
stereotype only serves to illustrate how stereotypes are formed.
In essence, Aharon's argument is that because anti-Semitism was widespread
in Poland (which he doesn't need to convince me of), therefore Jewish fears
of
denunciation could not have been exaggerated. It's like saying:
because there's a lot of violence in black ghettos, therefore the
next black person I meet is going to kill me.
I will limit myself to the observation that there are many degrees and kinds
of anti-Semitism, and that not all anti-Semites are so bestial that they
would
betray another human being to the hated enemy. Some were, of course. Most
were not.
Many Polish Jews seemed to be blind to these nuances. Their thinking, (like Aharon's, alas), didn't get past 'four legs good, two legs bad'.
This is part of the 'ghetto mentality', as Froma calls it. And it cost
Jewish
lives,
in the same way that stereotypes of 'bad Russians' and 'good Germans' cost
lives.
Please. Let's get out of kindergarten in our understanding of other nations. The world is kind of a complicated place.
As to 'collective guilt' versus 'collective responsibility': I agree that there is a valuable distinction here. It is similar to the distinction which Jan Blonski made (in a celebrated article) between 'criminal responsibility' and 'moral responsibility'. So far as I understand it: I see a drowning child and do nothing to save it. If I could have saved it, but chose not to, then I bear criminal responsibility for allowing the child to drown. But if I can't swim, then I still ought to feel distressed by the fact that the child has drowned and that I couldn't prevent it. I ought to feel shame over the fact that I couldn't swim, that I wasn't up to the task. A decent human being, feels a sense of moral responsibility even when he does not actually bear criminal responsibility.
And what about the people in between, who in fact could have done nothing but who don't feel guilty about it? Who thought, as they watched the child go under, 'good, one less brat?' A case, perhaps, either of unacknowledged moral responsibility or of latent criminal responsibility. Take your choice.
As to collectives, I think they are a red herring. Hitler shows what people are capable of. I am a person. Therefore Hitler shows what I am capable of. So do Chris Browning's 'Ordinary Men'.
Therefore I should become aware of these potentialities in myself and others and do what I can to combat them. The more power I have, the more essential it is that I reflect in this fashion: therefore as a man, I have a greater responsibility to combat my gender-based stereotypes than a woman does (however, women also may have gender-based stereotypes, including stereotypes of women, which they should probably also do something about. Especially if they're in positions of power). Jews can be just as intolerant as Christians, but Christians can do more damage. Therefore it is especially important for Christians to confront anti-Jewish attitudes, less critical for Jews to face up to their anti-Christian attitudes. (Though the latter, as I've suggested, may lead to unrealistic perceptions that hurt the Jews as well. No matter which way the stereotypes go, it's the weaker party that's apt to get.)
The main relevance of Hitler's Germanness, then, is that Germany is a very powerful country which can do enormous damage. Therefore its citizens have an especial responsibility to choose their leaders wisely. (But the Germans, on the whole, are painfully aware of that: it's Russia we should be most worried about just now. They're apt to say: 'Zhirinovsky can't be like Hitler, Hitler was German'.)
I don't see what we gain by erecting national or other fences around Hitler, except to be able to reassure ourselves that he's one of THEM and certainly not like US. That, maybe, is the purpose behind all these particularitst doctrines: so we can let ourselves off the hook.
Steve Paulsson tel. (44)116 252 2802 Dept of History fax (44)116 252 3986
University of Leicester
University Road
Leicester LE1 7RH England
For experience should have taught him that few are the good, and few the evil, and that the great majority of men are in the interval between them. (Plato, Phaedo)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:37:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: films on antisemitism
From: "Froma I. Zeitlin" <FIZ%PUCC@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Is this film about a group of Jews accused of having killed a Gentile girl, who were tortured into making a confession, and then were successfully defended in court and finally acquitted? If so, I saw it once on Bravo but neglected to tape it and haven't seen any mention of it since. Does anyone in the US know about the availability of this film/video? It was a fascinating film.
Froma I. Zeitlin
fiz@pucc.princeton.edu
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:37:00 CST
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Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET>
From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: Re: Second Generation Groups
From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org>
Dr. Jack Bielasiak <bielasia@ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> A reference to a Second Generation Group in Michigan > leads me to inquire about other such groups in the U.S. > and Canada. Does anyone know of a reference that lists > such national, state or local groups? or any other means > to locate second generation groups?
Hello, Dr. Bielasiak. Although I cannot provide an answer to your question, I thought you -- and other members of HOLOCAUS -- might be interested in an e-mail discussion list for the children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, 2ND-GEN. Although I am not the child or grandchild of a survivor, I am a member of the 2ND-GEN list and I recommend it; the traffic comes in bursts and sometimes the list is very quiet, but the discussions are always thought-provoking and often very moving. The support and understanding offered by this list are its clear strong points.
To subscribe to the 2ND-GEN list, send an e-mail message to the following address:
The content of your message should be as follows:
SUB 2ND-GEN <Firstname> <Surname>
For example, Dr. Bielasiak, your message would be as follows:
SUB 2ND-GEN Jack Bielasiak
Regarding second generation groups, members of the 2ND-GEN list might be able to provide additional information on such organizations.
Please let me know if you have any questions, Dr. Bielasiak.
Cordially,
David
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 12:12:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Bibliography on Medical Experimentation in WWII
From: Lou Waller <Louis.Waller@law.monash.edu.au>
Please send your bibliography to me. My Email address is:
Louis.Waller@Law.Monash.Edu.Au
Many thanks.
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:02:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Liberators
> From: TPHYLL@aol.com
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the list knows of an organization with data
on
> liberators, that is, who they are, where they live, how one could contact
> them, etc. I intend to contact the local veterans groups here, but I was
> wondering if there's a group I could call nationally. I seem to remember
> that there is such a group. I remember reading that the actor Glen Ford
> belongs to this group. Any help would be appreciated.
> Phyllis Leff Univ. of Missouri Kansas City
> TPHYLL@aol.com
>
From: Jeri Goldberg <z008057b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Phyllis Leff of the University of Missouri, Kansas City requested information regarding Liberators.
I would suggest that you contact Emory Univerity, Atlanta. Either the Sociology Department or the Judaic Studies Department should be able to direct you to the University's collection of Dr. Crawford's work. Dr. Crawford passed away in 1982.
Part of Dr. Crawford's work included interviewing liberators, recording television and audio recordings of their statements and seeing to it that the statements were transcribed. I was priviliged to be among his students and to participate in this work. Tapes of interviews that we conducted are housed in the permanent collection of Yad VaShem.
Dr. Crawford was a young Texas Methodist airman when he was shot down over Europe during World War II. By some accident of fate, he was saved from a disorderly mob who was prepared to lynch him by the mayor who soon thereafter delivered him to a concentration camp. There he witnessed atrocities seen by few Allied servicemen or women.
After a brief period, he was eventually placed in a prisoner of war detention center. However, the memories of that which he witnessed stayed with him throughout his life and led him to become an outstanding professor of sociology. Dr. Crawford directed the Center for Research in Social Change at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia. He served on the President's Commission on Holocaust Remembrance. Dr. Crawford had the distinction of being made an honorary member of the Jewish War Veterans.
I'd be interested to hear from anyone with remembrances of Dr. Crawford. (goldberg@gate.net) I'd also be interested to hear from anyone familiar with Dr. David Blumenthal, Judaic Studies Chairman at Emory University.
I have recently become United States National Coordinator of Victims Of Arab Terror, International. I think back fondly to my many conversations with Dr. Crawford. I pray that I may serve in my leadership capacity in a manner worthy of his memory.
Jeri Goldberg
United States National Coordinator,
Victims of Arab Terror International
z008057b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:07:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Holocaust Survey...North Dakota
From: FISHMAN%SNYFARVA@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
I find this questionnaire offensive . . . few questions even suggest a
positive comparison between Jews and the rest of society. Why not ask about
Jews--if one must do this--from a stance that puts a more positive spin on
things: regarding Jewish contributions to culture, theology, ethics,
philosophy,
medicine, and the rest?
Because there are places in this country where people still think that Jews
have
horns and drink the blood of Christian children on Passover, does that mean
they
should be asked if they think Jews are "foreigners" who are principally
responsible "for killing Christ"?
--C. Fishman
~~
Charles Fishman * Fishman@snyfarva or
Fishman@137.125.1.0
Distinguished Service Professor * * * (516) 420-2031 (Voice)
Dir., Visiting Writers Program * * * (516) 420-2051 (Fax)
SUNY, Farmingdale * * * "If the Sun & Moon should doubt, Farmingdale, NY 11735 * They'd immediately go out." --Blake
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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:12:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: German News - January 29, 1995
From: FISHMAN%SNYFARVA@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
Thank you, David, for posting these articles from the German News--much appreciated!
Does anyone know where Adorno "takes back" his comments about poetry after Auschwitz? I'd greatly appreciate having that citation!
--Charles Fishman
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Charles Fishman * Fishman@snyfarva or
Fishman@137.125.1.0
Distinguished Service Professor * * * (516) 420-2031 (Voice)
Dir., Visiting Writers Program * * * (516) 420-2051 (Fax)
SUNY, Farmingdale * * * "If the Sun & Moon should doubt, Farmingdale, NY 11735 * They'd immediately go out." --Blake
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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:27:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Church & Anti-Semitism (GERMNEWS)
From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org>
Attached is an article from the January 27 issue of THE WEEK IN GERMANY (published by the German Information Center) about the statement on January 24 by Germany's Roman Catholic bishops on the church's share of responsibility in the rise of Nazism and the destruction of Europe's Jews.
This article goes into the subject at more length than the shorter article from GERMNEWS (German News), which I shared a few days ago.
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
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>From THE WEEK IN GERMANY -- January 27, 1995
GERMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS: CHURCH SHARES IN GUILT FOR THE ANNIHILATION OF EUROPEAN JEWRY
"It weighs heavily upon us today," Germany's Roman Catholic bishops declared this week, "that there were only individual initiatives for persecuted Jews (within the Church) during the Nazi era and that there was no public and explicit protest about even the pogrom of November 1938." The bishops' statement, issued in Bonn Tuesday (January 24), one day after a similar statement by the Polish Bishops' Conference, focused on the church's share of responsibility in the rise of Nazism in Germany and on its failure to come to the aid of persecuted Jews. Appearing just days before scheduled ceremonies to commemorate the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp, the statement underscored Catholics' duty to work for closer relations between Jews and Christians.
For well over a century before Hitler came to power, the bishops observed, German Jews contributed tremendously to the nation's intellectual and cultural life. "Nonetheless," they wrote, "an anti-Jewish attitude lived on, within the ecclesiastical sphere as well." Under the Third Reich, few German Christians opposed the anti-Semitic, racist ideology of Nazism, and all too many allowed themselves to be drawn up into the Nazi movement. "Among Catholics," the bishops acknowledged, "there were many failures (to act) and much guilt."
The German bishops described Auschwitz as "the symbol of the annihilation of European Jewry." Moving from the past to the present, they suggested that the anniversary of the camp's liberation (January 26-27) provides occasion for Catholics "to examine their relations with Jews." So too, they added, should it serve as a reminder of the suffering of the Poles under the Nazis and the burden the Nazis' actions placed on German-Polish relations. With the lessons of the past in mind, the statement concludes, German Catholics must do all within their power to assure that Jews and Christians live together as neighbors in Germany and, in turn, that Germany does all it can to promote the solidarity of all peoples throughout Europe.
The German bishops' statement was widely reported in the Polish press. The Warsaw-based Gazeta Wyborcza, a major national newspaper, translated the statement and also printed an essay by Stanislaw Krajewski, deputy chair of the Polish Jewish-Christian Council, who urged the Polish episcopate to take a similarly strong stand in favor of increased Jewish-Catholic cooperation. Plans for a joint statement by Polish and German bishops did not come to fruition because of Polish fears that it could be interpreted as a joint admission of complicity in the crimes of the Nazis, the German Press Agency reported.
(c) 1995 by the German Information Center.
Reprinting permitted. Please credit THE WEEK IN GERMANY and send copy of publication.
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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 14:17:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: National streotypes and the Holocaust
From: Racelle Weiman <RCBS904@UVM.HAIFA.AC.IL>
I find Steve Paulsson's continued insistance that there is absolutely
nothing
specific or extraordinary in German historical/philosophical/political/
psychological make-up that might have created the particular orientation
that
made the gas chambers not only possible, but "moral", 'logical" and
"necessary"
to Germanic Nazism (fascism + racism) quite fascinating in itself.
Though I approach the Holocaust through the glasses of Religion/theology, I
find such works as the Swiss-German Alice Muller's,particularlyenlightening.
In addition to "For Your Own Good", Her books in pschology look into the
German
attitudes towards the powerless of their community, particularly in their
approaches towards childraising and education. Muller is among several
GErmans
in the larger filds of education, sociology, psychology and religion that
belie
ve that there is somethings peculiar to the German experience that led to
Nazis
m.Suggest to Steve to look carefully into these sources before he (and any
of
u
s) decide absolutely if a certain nation has tendencies of one sort or
another.
It is interesting to take into account the study by UNESCO two years ago,
that
polled all the countries in the proposed European Community on their
tendencies
towards prejudice. Fascinating results,in light of the Holocaust--50 years
he
nce-- Denmark--most tolerant. Least tolerant---Yep, Germany.
(This included attitudes towards immigrants, gays, women, alternative
lifestyle
s, etc.)
As for watching any society tip dangerously towards genocidalbehavior,
Franklin
Littell's excellent "Early Warning System" is the best list by far.
Racelle Weiman, Haifa University
Steve Paulsson writes:
>>I don't see what we gain by erecting national or other fences around Hitler, except to be able to reassure ourselves that he's one of THEM and certainly not like US. That, maybe, is the purpose behind all these particularitst doctrines: so we can let ourselves off the hook.<<
Yes, Steve makes a valuable point here. I think that we need to realize
that
we are in Hitler and that Hitler is in us. One is reminded of Morris
Braverman's remark in Stanley Milgram's obedience experiment (Braverman was
one of the subjects), a remark that helps to confirm another of Steve's
points, this one concerning the ordinariness of the persons who committed
the
evil deeds during the Holocaust: in a post-experiment interview, Braverman
(presumably a Jew), who administered electric shocks to the "learner" on the
orders of the experimenter and in the interest of science, remarks, "As my
wife said, 'You can call yourself Eichmann'" (interestingly, he then goes on
to say, "I hope I deal more effectively with any future conflicts of values
I
encounter").
In addition to other good texts concerning these issues (Fred Katz's,
Christopher Browning's, and others'), I would like to suggest that persons
unfamiliar with the writings of Thich Nhat Hanh take a look at his works,
especially _Peace Is Every Step_ and _Love in Action_. Also, in the realm
of
scholarship, see Thomas Blass' article "Psychological Perpspectives on the
Perpetrators of the Holocaust: The Role of Situational Pressures, Personal
Dispositions, and Their Interactions," in _Holocaust and Genocide Studies_
7.1 (Spring 1993): 30-50, and Jean Imbeault's "The Hitlerian Superego--An
Introduction," in _American Imago_ 51.2 (Summer 1994): 197-212.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 15:07:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: The Sunflower and Man's Search for Meaning
From: RJPrys@aol.com
I would like to clarify a matter in my previous post concerning this issue, just to set the record straight.
My concern with Gary Weissman's post, to which I responded, has to do not
with Gary's intention (which I assume is good), but, rather, with his choice
of words. I know that, especially in the 'net venue, there's only so much
that any of us can do to write with care. But I think that, if persons such
as Elie Wiesel have taught us anything, they have taught us that, when we
are
talking about the Holocaust (e.g.), we must choose our words carefully,
because words do indeed count. Especially when we are talking about
survivor
testimony, I think that we have an obligation to be as careful as possible
in
choosing our words.
Sometimes, when I'm struggling to find the right words to use to speak about such testimony, I envision myself conducting an interview with the survivor (I've done more than a few such interviews). I imagine myself looking into the survivor's eyes, trying to read her or his feelings that are in response to my question or statement. If I envision an expression of pain, not because my question has caused the survivor to remember something painful, but because my question was insensitive (e.g.), then I know that I need to rethink my choice of words.
I can only wonder how Frankl would feel if an interviewer had said to him that he "present[s] the Nazi camp as backdrop for theoretical gymnastics around the theme of 'man on trial' in some sense" (cf. Gary's post). Maybe I'm overreacting here. But with so much at stake, why not be as careful as possible?
Once again, I apologize to Gary and anyone else if my previous post offended them in any way.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 15:47:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Tony Martin at College
From: NurseSmart@aol.com
A week or two ago, I posted a message that Tony Martin (author of The Jewish
Onslaught) was coming to my college (Worcester STate College), and I also
saught feedback from this list as to handle the coverage of this situation
in
our college's newspaper, of which I'm editor.
Just to fill you in on what we've done. We have extensively covered Martin's
background and his anti-semitic feelings through several articles. We've
also
given as much help and support to students organizing a protest against
Martin's coming to the college. We've run several letters to the editor from
people responding to the Martin issue from both sides of the fence. And
lastly, I added a four page section to the newspaper as my own personal
response to the tensions generated by Martin's coming. This section
entailed
a short editorial detailing my own experience in being faced with religious
persecution followed by four pages of people's personal accounts. Two were
from Frederick Douglas' accounts as a slave. Two were from Holocaust
personal
accounts. The message of the section was an attempt to have people look at
the atrocities of the past and get them thinking about the cost that
prejudice has demanded in the history of man... and also to think about how
things must change if we REALLY wish for the future to be any different.
If anyone has any comments, please e-mail me at NurseSmart@aol.com. I would
also still appreciate any additional feedback people may have on Tony
Martin.
Thank you,
Michael Smart, student at Worcester State College
NurseSmart@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 15:52:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Questionaire on Experiments Conducted in Germany in the 40's
From: SRWPOWELL@aol.com
I would like to ask some questions, and hopefully receive some feedback from the subscribers of the Holocaust Mailing list. I am sure that the questions that I am going to ask will strike nerves in many if not all people. Before I pose my questions, I would like to provide some brief background information related to the questions I will ask.
-----During the second world war, the Germans found that many of their
fighter pilots were being shot down over water. These waters were at sub
zero
temperatures, and the German fighter pilots suffered from hypothermia as a
result. The Germans wanted to find ways that they could "unthaw" their
frozen
pilots, so as they could be returned to duty.
Therefore, they decided to conduct experiments on Jewish people that they
had
in concentration camps. The Germans froze these Jews almost to the point of
death. Then they experimented with different methods of un-thawing them.
It is needless to point out that these experiments were cruel and inhumane,
however there are still questions being debated in respect to the
information
that was collected as a result of these experiments.-----
Questions.
1). Should we in 1995, as moral and responsible citizens use the information that was collected though these experiments as a way to supplement what we already know, or to create new hypotheses in Science?
2). If we use the information collected by the German scientists in the 1940's, are we condoning or legitamatizing their actions?
3). If we utilize this information, is this a way of producing something
to benefit all of humanity? (In respect to the ongoing search for knowlege
in
Science.)
4). Is it possible for us to use this information, and feel morally correct in using it, given the circumstances and methods in which it was aquired or collected?
I would appreciate any comments or opinions that anyone has regarding any,
or
all of the questions above.
Thank you very much.
Sean Powell
Columbia College
New York
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:15:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Need Information on Liberators
From: Dave Riba <0006495817@mcimail.com>
Last year the Tampa Bay Holocaust Museum & Educational Center did an entire program with the local veterans groups honoring Holocaust Liberators. You might want to give them a call with any specific questions -- (813) 392-4678. Ask for Steve Goldman. He can put you in contact with a variety of contacts on the west coast of Florida.
Dave Riba
0006495817@mcimail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 11:55:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: National stereotypes and the Holocaust
From: "Paul Lawrence Rose" <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
It really is outrageous of S. Paullsson to comnpare Menachem Begin's
alleged failings with those of Nazis and antisemitic Poles. He really
seems incapable of perceiving how he gives offence to many readers on
this list (to judge from those who communicate with me privately). As
to his patronizing remarks on Abba Kovner which suggests that he
Paullsson knows more about the situation than Kovner did himself, there
is a basic intellectual delusion here, namely the supposition that all
beliefs in national character or national culture are by definition
wrong as well as bad. One could argue that Jewish perceptions of
gentile antisemitism in Poland and elsewhere were effective in
contributing to Jewish survival in hostile environments. Those who
didn't internalize these perceptions simnpkly didn't live to learn
better. It should be obivious that not all Poles were antisemites just
as all Germans were not evil; but one has to judge statistically in
terms of probabibility - and Jewish suspicion and fear were selected
traits for survival, even if they could in certain cases be mistaken.
PLRose
P
LR2@PSUVM
Christopher Browning's research, as reflected in _Ordinary Men_, prompts a kind of detached self-examination (if that's possible), moreso I think that any other work about what "I" am capable of doing -- given that I truly consider myself a very moral being. (An earlier looking back on my own, about two experiences in my career, made it very clear that I am certainly an 'Ordinary' man.)
Would someone please fill in the blanks about Browning's current sense (or subsequent findings), evolving from his early reflections on the 'apparent' conduct of Luxembourgers?
And ... forgive me for again risking commercialism ...
There is a 3-30 min segment video program I produced a couple of years ago (for local public access TV) which features Browning in a presentation of _Ordinary Men_ at the Stroum Jewish Community Center (Seattle area). Although, I've not attended any other presentations of _Ordinary Men_, I've always sensed this program yielded a good reflection of his research and one that would be useful for students in upper level middle school through undergraduate classes. (Email me if interested. I could make a few copies as very inexpensive 'rentals' rather than expecting people to blind-purchase a 3-cassette set.)
Herb Effron For replies regarding Seattle USA herb@seagopher.com e-mail: seattle-usa@seagopher.com
Seattle USA ... a place to shop and do business, find events and things to do, get brain food, enjoy art, laugh at cartoons ...
I think you meant "Alice Miller" not "Muller". But I quite agree; she is a splendid writer on the special German character--in the cultural-anthropological sense of "national character", although her vanatge point is that of psychoanalytic developmental theory. L. Goldberger (gberger@xp.psych.nyu.edu)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 11:55:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Pioneer Fund
From: Simon Bromberger <S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk>
I am making the following enquiry for a friend comencing his doctorial research.
Does anybody on the list have any information, references or research on the Pioneer Fund. This organisation sponsors psuedo-academic research into racial differences largely focusing on eugenics. Any help or pointers regarding this organisation will be gratefully received.
Simon Bromberger
Please rely direct to S.M.BROMBERGER@SHEF.AC.UK
I have cross-posted this message to H-Ethnic,H-Antis,Holocaus, activ-l and Revs sorry for any duplication
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 11:55:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Women's holocaust memoirs
From: LilithMag@aol.com
Jim, LILITH is the only independent Jewish women's magazine in the U.S. We've recently published some fascinating women's holocaust stories that we think would be of interest to your mailing list. We are not sure that it is appropriate for us to join your list, but we hope you will pass on this information, in whatever form you think is most appropriate. Thank you!
A New Outpouring of Women's Holocaust Memoirs: Where to Read Them, How to Teach From Them
Fifty years after the liberation of the concentration camps, women
Holocaust
survivors are just beginning to tell their stories. LILITH, the independent
Jewish women's magazine, has been receiving an outpouring of these women's
manuscripts, and in its current issue features five extraordinary memoirs.
The experiences of these women are cast in an unusual way: each is
accompanied by suggestions on how to teach this work to others. Susan
Weidman Schneider, LILITH's Editor-in-Chief, and Susan Schnur, Editor, took
a
unique approach by asking educators, psychologists, counselors and survivors
how the valuable lessons embedded in these stories could be amplified for
readers, young students and adult discussion groups.
According to Rabbi Schnur, one of her most difficult editorial tasks has
been deciding which of these "sacred texts" the quarterly will be able to
publish. "Ten years ago, LILITH received perhaps one Holocaust memoir per
week," Schnur writes. "These days it's more like one per day - plus a river
of other Holocaust-related material."
"We find ourselves treasuring each Holocaust memoir we receive in the mail,
creating a collection which I now recognize is our holy Genizah," says
Schnur, "our reliquary where sacred articles - which are not (now) usable,
but which according to Jewish law cannot be destroyed - are stored."
In her introduction to this special feature on women's Holocaust
manuscripts
in the Winter 1995 issue, Schnur declares how important it has become to
document now the experiences of women survivors and their daughters. "We
need
to acknowledge that the sand is indeed running out of the hourglass," she
writes. An educated understanding of these works, she says, will enable the
next generation to use - and learn from - these manuscripts.
A 26-year-old Jewish educator responds to the story of an orphan survivor
reunited with her father, while a 69-year-old Holocaust survivor tells how
she would use an account of anti-Semitism among Polish Christian teenagers
today in her classes with high school students. A psychoanalyst sees the
story "How to Hide: Instructions from a Daughter of Survivors" as a useful
tool to help trauma victims. A writer/therapist believes that the story of
the survivor who obsessively collects shoes because she had none throughout
the war ("Imelda and Me" is the bittersweet title) could be taught to
children who are identified as having "the cards stacked against them." In
the moving finale to the series of memoirs, Ellen Bass, co-editor of
Courage
to Heal, shares her thoughts on an orphaned young woman's search for safety
during "A Week in the Warsaw Ghetto."
"When LILITH set out to publish these Holocaust-related stories, we
remembered that there are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or
the mirror that reflects it," recalls Rabbi Susan Schnur. "Clearly,
survivors' manuscripts are the candles; how could LILITH provide mirrors?"
LILITH is a non-profit educational project which explores and disseminates
information on feminist issues within the Jewish community and speaks out as
a strong Jewish presence in the women's movement. LILITH's activities
include
creating specialized anthologies of articles for teachers and students,
resource guides on specialized subjects, a speaker's bureau, and a Jewish
women's talent bank and resource center.
Copies of the issue containing "Women's Holocaust Manuscripts" are
available
for $2.00 each, for ten or more copies. This represents a 50% discount
offered to interested individuals, schools, informal discussion groups,
synagogue sisterhoods, women's and religious studies courses, or teacher
training programs. For more information, contact LILITH at 212-757-0818.
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 12:10:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Steve Paulsson's remarks about Jews and stereotypes
From: Alex Sagan <sagan%HUSC@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Steve Paulsson wrote the following lines in one of his recent posts.
>Many Polish Jews seemed to be blind to these nuances. >Their thinking, (like Aharon's, alas), didn't get >past 'four legs good, two legs bad'. This is part of >the 'ghetto mentality', as Froma calls it. And it cost >Jewish lives, in the same way that stereotypes of 'bad >Russians' and 'good Germans' cost lives. Please. >Let's get out of kindergarten in our understanding of >other nations. The world is kind of a complicated place.
I find the tone and content objectionable and do not consider either of these to justifiable or appropriate, even considering situation that occasioned these remarks. The ironic juxtaposition of the first two sentences and the last two sentences in the passage gives me pause.
Perhaps, Steve, you will agree that this was an unfortunate way to close your reply to Aharon. I don't want to get into a long harangue, but I could not let this infelicitous peroration go by without comment. I hope you will understand.
--Alex Sagan <sagan@fas.harvard.edu>
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 12:20:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: They Always Called It Auschwitz (Book)
From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org>
I found the attached news release from the University of Waterloo on Robert-Jan van Pelt's forthcoming book, THEY ALWAYS CALLED IT AUSCHWITZ, and thought members of the HOLOCAUS list would find it of interest.
You will note that Robert-Jan van Pelt wrote one chapter ("A Site in Search of a Mission") and cowrote another ("The Machinery of Mass Murder at Auschwitz") in Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum's excellent study, ANATOMY OF THE AUSCHWITZ DEATH CAMP, which was published last year by Indiana University Press in association with the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (ISBN 0-253-32684-2).
Also, I'd appreciate comments from anyone who has heard anything else about this book.
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
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From: jmorris@mc1adm.uwaterloo.ca (John Morris) Subject: UW prof to publish book on Auschwitz death camp Organization: Information and Public Affairs, UW Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:38:23 GMT
University of Waterloo
News Bureau
UW professor to publish book on Auschwitz death camp
WATERLOO, Ont. -- A University of Waterloo professor of cultural history in the school of architecture has just completed work on a co-authored book which traces the architectural and planning history of the Auschwitz Nazi death camp.
Robert-Jan van Pelt, a native of Haarlem, Holland, who holds a PhD in the history of ideas, has studied Auschwitz from an architectural viewpoint for more than eight years.
Van Pelt's book, featuring approximately 200 illustrations, will trace the transformations from a concentration camp to slave labor and its familiar identity as a death camp.
It will discuss the factors that led to those changes, such as SS leader Heinrich Himmler's vision of resettling the German East (the German occupied half of Poland) with ethnic Germans and the construction of a major industrial plant in the town of Auschwitz.
The 400-page work entitled They Always Called it Auschwitz was to have been published in time for the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz on Friday (Jan. 27). Instead, the book will appear later this year.
The book is being co-authored by Debrah Dwork of Yale University in Connecticut, where Pelt is currently based. She has spent a dozen years studying the children of the Holocaust and has published her last book, Children with a Star, in 1991, which has been translated into several languages.
Besides working on his book, van Pelt has written one chapter and co-written another for the book The Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. He was featured in an episode of the BBC production Horizons, which examined the Auschwitz blueprints, and he will also appear in the Feb. 7 episode of PBS's Nova, entitled Nazi Designers of Death.
Van Pelt began studying Auschwitz eight years ago after a dispute with colleagues at the University of Virginia over the historical importance of Auschwitz's crematoria. It resulted in the publication of his previous book, Architectural Principles in the Age of Historicism, co-authored by C.W. Westfall in 1991.
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Contact: Robert-Jan van Pelt, (203) 497-9191 (after 3 p.m.) >From Robert Heinbecker, UW News Bureau, (519) 888-4567, ext. 5719 Release no. 13 -- January 24, 1995
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 13:20:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Conference on Italy and America 1943-44
From: "John A. Davis, Department of History, UConn"
ITALY AND AMERICA 1943-44:
ITALIAN, AMERICAN AND ITALIAN-AMERICAN EXPERIENCES OF
THE LIBERATION OF THE MEZZOGIORNO
April 21-23, 1995
Marriott Hotel - Farmington, CT
A three day international research conference to evaluate in multi-disciplinary perspectives the political, social and cultural significance of the Liberation of Southern Italy, 1943. The program will explore the ways in which Southern Italy established wider precedents for allied military and political objectives, and will focus on the significance of the Liberation as a moment of intense cultural creativity and exchange that shaped subsequent relations between Italians and Americans and marked a decisive turning point in the history of Italian Americans.
FRIDAY, 4/21/95
12:00 Registration
1:00 Opening Session
1:30-3:00 p.m. Keynote Speakers
Chair - Charles Delzell, Vanderbilt University
3:15-4:45 p.m. Politics of the Liberation Chair and Discussant - Zyg Baranski, University of Reading, UK *Paolo De Marco, University of Naples, Italy "The Allied Military Government and the Trade Union Movement in Naples, 1943-45"
5:00-6:30 p.m. Italian American Experiences:A Round Table Chair - Paolo Frascani, Istituto Universitario Orientale
SATURDAY, 4/22/95
8:15-10:15 The War in the Mezzogiorno
Chair and Discussant - Alexander De Grand, North Carolina State
University
10:45-12:45 Human Experiences of War in the Mezzogiorno Chair and Discussant, Margherita Repetto Alaia, Italian Cultural Institute, DC
12:45-2:00 Lunch
2:00-4:00 The Literature of the Liberation Chair - Frank Rosengarten, CUNY
4:30-6:00 Italy and America
Chair and Discussant, Alice Kelikian, Brandeis University
7:00 Dinner
9:00 Evening Program - Film Session
SUNDAY, 4/23/95
8:30 Bus to Trinity College, Cinestudio
9:00-10:15 The Liberation and the Italian Cinema Chair and Discussant, Patrick Rumble, University of Wisconsin
10:30-11:45 The Liberation and the Italian Cinema Chair and Discussant, Manuela Gieri, University of Toronto
12:00-12:45 Finale - Borden Painter
1:00-2:30 Lunch
2:00 JMIS Editorial Board Meeting
2:45 Transport to Train Station
Sponsored by the University of Connecticut Research Foundation, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences, College of Fine Arts and the Emiliana Pasca Noether Chair in Modern Italian History; the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Barbieri Foundation at Trinity College; the Istituto Universitario Orientale in Naples; the Istituto per la Storia della Resistenza in Naples; the Istituto Italiano per gli studi Filosofici in Naples; and the Aldo De Dominicis Foundation.
For further information contact:
Emiliana Pasca Noether Chair
University of Connecticut
241 Glenbrook Road
Storrs, CT 06269-2103
(203) 486-2752
noeadm01@uconnvm.uconn.edu
NEH stipends are available for graduate students or junior faculty wishing to attend. Inquire at above address for details.
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:25:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Hamburg - Two Neo-Nazis Acquitted (GERMNEWS)
From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org>
Attached are the English and German versions of an article from the February 2 issue of the electronic German-language newsletter GERMNEWS (German News) about the acquittal of two neo-Nazis who used an information telephone ('Info-Telefon') to refer to the Holocaust as the "Myth of Auschwitz." The Hamburg judges ruled that spreading the term "Myth of Auschwitz" is not punishable by law. (GERMNEWS's English version of this article is, as you can tell, a bit rough.)
Could someone please tell me exactly what an 'Info-Telefon' is? At first I thought it might refer to an answering machine, but an answering machine is 'ein Anrufbeantworter', isn't it? Thank you!
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
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Sender: German News <GERMNEWS@vm.gmd.de> From: German News <germnews@model2an.physik.uni-ulm.de> Subject: Do, 02.02.1995 20:00 MEZ
DISCHARGE FOR TWO NEONAZIS IN HAMBURG
Hamburg's County Court discharged two neonazis today who denominated by the use of information telephones the mass murder by the Nazis as the "Myth of Auschwitz". The Director of Public Prosecution held demagogism, slander, and reviling the memory of the dead against the 23 and 24 year old defendants. However, the publication of this term is not punishable according to the judges' opinion. Furthermore, the two young men testified that they didn't deny the genocide on the Jews. The Director of Public Prosecution announced an appeal against this discharge.
FREISPRUCH FUER ZWEI NEONAZIS IN HAMBURG
Das Hamburger Amtsgericht hat heute zwei Neonazis freigesprochen, die ueber ein Info-Telefon die Massenmorde der Nazionalsozialisten als "Mythos von Auschwitz" bezeichnet hatten. Die Staatsanwaltschaft hatte den beiden 23 und 24 Jahre alten Angeklagten Volksverhetzung, Verleumdung und Verunglimpfung des Andenkens Verstorbener vorgeworfen. Nach Auffassung der Richter ist die Verbreitung dieses Ausdruckes nicht strafbar. Zudem haetten die beiden jungen Maenner ausgesagt, dass sie den Voelkermord an den Juden nicht leugneten. Die Staatsanwaltschaft kuendigte Berufung gegen den Freispruch an.
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:30:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Raoul Wallenberg
From: Eric Epstein <eepstein@igc.apc.org>
According to an article in "The Washington Post Weekly" (January 30
Eric Epstein, PSU-Hbg
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:35:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: 6th Grader interested in doing work on the Holocaust
From: Free Lunches for Sale <MENDESRM@delphi.com>
If you want, I know of another 6th grader who has internet access who just did a report on the Holocuast! (=
-Rica Mendes
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:35:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Questionaire on Experiments Conducted in Germany in the 40's
From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
For the debate on the hypothermia, which became an issue in Minnesota
when UM-Duluth Medical Prof. Robert Pozos was inolved in hypothermia
testing (in Minnesota, a lot of people fall through frozen lakes on
snowmobiles!) and raised the question of the Nazi Dachau data. The result
was a 3 day 1989 conference at the University of Minnesota on Bioethics
and the Nazi Experiments, arranged by Arthur Caplan, now in Bio-ethics at
University of Pennsylvania.
There was no absolute concensus even among survivors. Some thought it was
an absolute taboor because the only thing left was the date. Others felt
that if there was something there which might be medically beneficial
(questionable because of some incomplete science), use of the data should
be considered.
There were other experiments at other camps which are still an article of
discussion, including phosgene (a byproduct of plastics production) at
one camp and the gunshot experiments on women at Ravensbruck. Not to
mention the Japanese experiments in China on pows and Chinese.
There are video tapes of the conference available from the Dept. of
Bio-medicial Ethica, University of Minnesota Medical School, Mpls. Mn. 55455
Stephen Feinstein
> From: SRWPOWELL@aol.com
>
> I would like to ask some questions, and hopefully receive some feedback
from
> the subscribers of the Holocaust Mailing list. I am sure that the
questions
> that I am going to ask will strike nerves in many if not all people.
> Before I pose my questions, I would like to provide some brief background
> information related to the questions I will ask.
>
> -----During the second world war, the Germans found that many of their
> fighter pilots were being shot down over water. These waters were at sub
> zero
> temperatures, and the German fighter pilots suffered from hypothermia as a
> result. The Germans wanted to find ways that they could "unthaw" their
> frozen
> pilots, so as they could be returned to duty.
> Therefore, they decided to conduct experiments on Jewish people that they
> had
> in concentration camps. The Germans froze these Jews almost to the point
of
> death. Then they experimented with different methods of un-thawing them.
> It is needless to point out that these experiments were cruel and
inhumane,
> however there are still questions being debated in respect to the
> information
> that was collected as a result of these experiments.-----
>
> Questions.
>
> 1). Should we in 1995, as moral and responsible citizens use the
> information that was collected though these experiments as a way to
> supplement what we already know, or to create new hypotheses in Science?
>
> 2). If we use the information collected by the German scientists in
the
> 1940's, are we condoning or legitamatizing their actions?
>
> 3). If we utilize this information, is this a way of producing
something
> to benefit all of humanity? (In respect to the ongoing search for knowlege
> in
> Science.)
>
> 4). Is it possible for us to use this information, and feel morally
> correct in using it, given the circumstances and methods in which it was
> aquired or collected?
>
> I would appreciate any comments or opinions that anyone has regarding any,
> or
> all of the questions above.
> Thank you very much.
>
> Sean Powell
> Columbia College
> New York
>
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:35:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Holocaust Survey...North Dakota
From: "Froma I. Zeitlin" <FIZ%PUCC@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
I agree with Charles. This is the standard test for 'antisemitism' as used by virtually every poll, including the ADL. I've always thought that it actually promotes antisemitic stereotypes and may actually transmit antisemitic attitudes by legitimating them in a poll.
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Frankl's _Man's Search For Meaning_
From: Gary S Weissman <weissman@csd.uwm.edu>
I understand Richard Prystowsky's vehement response to my chracterization of Viktor Frankl's _Man's Search For Meaning_ as using "the Nazi camp as backdrop for theoretical gymnastics around the theme of 'man on trial' in some sense." Perhaps that phrasing is inappropriate, but I nevertheless feel that Frankl does 'use' his Auschwitz experience to present his theory of 'Logotherapy' in a most curious way.
What I find questionable in the response is this sentiment: "If Frankl's way of coping involves what some of his critics find to be his imposition of a problematic teleology on the events that he endured, so be it. Who are any of us to say how survivors should or should not attempt to cope with their trauma?"
Basically, many of us are students and teachers who study such things as how survivors cope with trauma, and/or how survivors write about their experiences. This does not give us a right to tell survivors how to cope with trauma, but it does allow us to produce critical readings of books like _Man's Search for Meaning_. While not questioning that Frankl's book is "valid as survivor testimony," we can distinguish between the lived reality of his experiences in Auschwitz, and his book in which he writes about these experiences and his theory of logotherapy.
Particularly given that _Man's Search for Meaning_ is taught so much in schools, I think it is most important to actually critically engage with what this book teaches its readers. The hands-off, 'who are we to think critically about this' stance, involving a kind of sanctification of survivor accounts, is extremely limiting.
Frankl suggests that Auschwitz prisoners should have taken "the camp's difficulties as a test of their inner strength" and "attain human greatness"-- "One could make a victory of those experiences, turning life into an inner triumph, or one could ignore the challenge and simply vegetate, as did a majority of prisoners." It would be interesting to relate this to Primo Levi's statement that the true or complete witnesses were those who touched bottom, those who did not return or who returned mute. The point here is that much more needs to be said than simply: 'Frankl imposes a problematic teleology. So be it.' Especially when Frankl is taught to students who do not bring other survivor account perspectives or much historical knowledge of the Holocaust to their reading of _Man's Search_.
Also, I would be interested to know about critiques of Frankl which "trivialize his efforts to deal with his and other survivors' real pain and suffering" besides Langer/ This phenomenon of trivializing Frankl would be interesting to look at in itself.
Gary Weissman
weissman@csd.uwm.edu
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Relationship between Bayer Inc. and the death camps?
From: "Paul Lawrence Rose" <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Dept. of Commerce "PB" Publication Board Reports, collected after 1945, are available on microfilm for modest sums from the Library of Congress. These were not known to the late John Gimbel whose book on "Scientific Reparations....."(Stanford ca. 1990) contains vast amounts of material on the investigation of major German companies. PLRose, PLR2@PSUVM
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Need Information about Antisemitism within Sinn Fein
From: Arthur Brenner <ARBCC%CUNYVM@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
To: Robert Burragel:
A student just gave me a reference to a book by John P. Duggan, "Neutral Ireland and the Third Reich" (Totowa, NJ: Barnes and Noble Books, 1985). Sounds like just the thing for your query about Sinn Fein and the Nazis.
Good luck in your search.
Yours,
Arthur Brenner
Assistant Professor of History
William Paterson College
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: THE WEEK IN GERMANY via FTP
From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org>
THE WEEK IN GERMANY, published by the German Information Center, is now available via FTP over the Internet. The German Information Center's German-language weekly newsletter, DEUTSCHLAND NACHRICHTEN, is also available. I attach an article from the January 27 issue of THE WEEK IN GERMANY describing the new FTP distribution.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
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>From THE WEEK IN GERMANY -- January 27, 1995
THE WEEK IN GERMANY NOW AVAILABLE ON INTERNET
Readers travelling the information superhighway may be interested to learn that The Week in Germany is now available in electronic format via the Internet. The files are maintained at the Language Acquisition Center, University of Texas at Arlington, Arlington, Texas.
The files are held at an "ftp site," a collection of computer materials which is publicly available on the worldwide network. Users log into the file collection and select items for transfer to their own computer. The files selected are then transmitted across the network.
Access to the Internet is required in order to contact the Texas site. Mainframe computers at colleges and universities and computer networks used by other educators frequently allow ftp transfers. Contact your local computer system operator for details.
Commercial services such as Compuserve and America Online now also allow ftp transfers. Each of these systems handles ftp'ing in a different way. Again, contact your local system operator to learn how to access an ftp site.
The ftp site address is langlab.uta.edu. When logging into the ftp site, enter "Anonymous" as your user name and enter your electronic mail address (if available) as the password. You will then be presented with two directories: "TWIG" for "The Week in Germany," and "DN" for "Deutschland Nachrichten," the German Information Center's German-language newsletter. Each of these directories contains a list of files to transfer.
(c) 1995 by the German Information Center.
Reprinting permitted. Please credit THE WEEK IN GERMANY and send copy of publication.
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:35:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Tony Martin at College
From: Arthur Brenner <ARBCC%CUNYVM@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Dear Michael,
One person well versed in dealing with deniers and the like on college campuses is Shelly Shapiro (rs897@albany.edu), director of the Holocaust Survivors and Friends Education Center outside of Albany, NY. She has a wealth of materials and methods and tremendous energy; in April 1994, for example, she somehow got wind that Bradley Smith had tried to place one of his ads in the Skidmore College newspaper, and through her encouragement, the editor not only rejected it, but also put together a 16-page supplement to the weekly paper with reports by the staff writers. It was an extremely effective way to react to Antisemitic hate speech on campus (and was a valuable exercise for the student journalists, too).
Please post to the list to let us know what kind of reaction your issue--and Martin's appearance--drew at your college.
Yours,
Arthur Brenner
Assistant Professor of History
William Paterson College (NJ)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Need info on Nuremberg Prosecutor
From: (L M Stallbaumer) <lstallba@students.wisc.edu>
>From: THOMPSON@LVC.EDU
>
>Would anyone out there have a postal or e-mail address or a FAX number for
>Telford Taylor, the Nuremberg military prosecutor?
>
> -- Warren Thompson
>
>thompson@lvc.edu
Professor Taylor can be reached through the School of Law, Columbia
University, New York, NY.
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Pioneer Fund
From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
There was aflap a couple of years ago about the Pioneer fund in that it
funded some of the research for the U of Minnesota study on "Twins reared
apart." If you look up the name Pioneer Fund in the Lexus/Nexxus
newspaper program, you will find all of the reference. Otherwise, contact
Prof. Nancy Segal, Dept. of Psychology, Cal State-Fullerton, who was
involved in the project.
Stephen Feinstein
> From: Simon Bromberger <S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk>
>
> I am making the following enquiry for a friend comencing his
> doctorial research.
>
> Does anybody on the list have any information, references or research
> on the Pioneer Fund. This organisation sponsors psuedo-academic
> research into racial differences largely focusing on eugenics.
> Any help or pointers regarding this organisation will be gratefully
> received.
> Simon Bromberger
>
> Please rely direct to S.M.BROMBERGER@SHEF.AC.UK
>
> I have cross-posted this message to H-Ethnic,H-Antis,Holocaus, activ-l
> and Revs sorry for any duplication
>
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Distribution of Old Nazi Propaganda Films in Germany
From: "Paul Lawrence Rose" <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Nazi films are listed in "The Holocaust, Israel and the Jews: Motion Pictures in the National Archives" ed. Charles L. Gellert, Nat. Archs. Washington, 1989, but alas the films don't circulate. There is a wealth of information on both production and aesthetics of Triumph of the Will and the like in the Historical Journal of Film, radio and Television, especially the articles in the 1992 volume by David Culbert. PLRose PLR2@PSUVM
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Christian Symbols at Auschwitz (GERMNEWS)
From: DMHENRY@aol.com
I have been studying the camp of Natzweiler-Struthof in Alsace. There were
only crosses there until about five years ago, when a Hackensack, NJ lawyer
working with the Simon Wiesenthal Center representative in Paris placed a
memorial plaque there for the Jewish martyrs who were gassed and dissected
there. The French government didn't want any Jewish stars put up- so they
engraved one on the plaque! I have more information and clippings if they
are
of interest. DMHENRY@Aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: German News - January 29, 1995
From: Ora Avni <avni@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
>
> Does anyone know where Adorno "takes back" his comments about poetry after
> Auschwitz? I'd greatly appreciate having that citation!
>
> --Charles Fishman
>
Try _Negative Dialectics_, Continuum, 1992, p. 362...
Ora Avni
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:05:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Zimbardo's study of roles in authority
From: Paul Dennis Gower <pgowersr@tenet.edu>
In regards to the conversation betweenSteve Paulsson andRichard Prystowsky concening the nature of man,Prystowski mentioned the Milgram obedience work.This brought to mind Zimbardo's study of roles in authority.With lightly defined limits the students in the study assumed the roles of jailer/tormentor and prisoner/victim so rapidly that the study had to be stopped cold, in the middle to prevent physical harm to the participants.Obedience wasn't necessary to bring out the cruelty in human nature,only the existence of the proper setting. pgowersr@tenet.edu
Paul D. Gower
2201 University
San Angelo,Texas,76904
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:59:34 CST
Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET>
Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET>
From: Simon Wiesenthal Center Library/Archives <simonwie@CLASS.ORG>
Subject: Re: Help for Eighth-Grader on Mengele
X-cc: Multiple recipients of list HOLOCAUS
<HOLOCAUS%UICVM.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
In-Reply-To: <199502020351.TAA03888@class.class.org>
Contact CANDLES (Organizations of Twins Survivors)
24 W. Lawrin Blvd.
Terre Haute, IN 47803
Eva Kor: 812-877-2336 or 812-282-6015
Paul H. Hamburg
Reference Librarian
Simon Wiesenthal Center Library
9760 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035
TEL: 310-553-9036, ext.292
FAX: 310-277-5558
simonwie@class.org
On Wed, 1 Feb 1995, Mott, Jim wrote:
> From: GLUCKD@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
>
> Dear Colleagues,
> I received the following letter this morning and would appreciate any help
> that anyone can offer this child, either responding via me or directly to
> her:
>
> 301 East Fairmont Parkway
> La Porte, Texas 77571
>
> Dear Sir or Madam,
> My name is Katy Alavarado and I am an eighth grader at La Porte Junior High
> in La Porte, Texas. I am doing a history fair project on Dr. Mengele and
> his
> insane experiments at the death camp, Auschwitz. If you have the names of
> any
> twins who survived Auschwitz or anyone who knew Dr. Mengele in any capacity,
> could you please send me their names and addresses?
> I realize this is a difficult task, but I was told you would be more than
> helpful in trying to share this necessary information with students who are
> trying to learn about the atrocities of the Holocaust. I do greatly
> appreciate
> your time and efforts. Please send any information to the above address in
> care of my teacher, Margaret Cox.
> Thank you,
> Katy D. Alavarado
>
> Obviously, we all cheer when we hear of efforts by those in far-flung places
> around the country trying to bring some light into the subject, so whatever
> help anyone can provide will benefit us all.
> Denise Gluck
> Joint Distribution Committee
>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:00:51 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: p27359@post-cc.cc.kagoshima-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: Japanese attitudes toward the Holocaust
To Multiple recipients of list HOLOCAUS: As a Japanese recipient of list HOLOCAUS, I was dismayed at the news of Marco Polo's disclamation of the existence of Nazi gas chambers.
Although I immediately ran to nearby bookstores for a copy of Marco Polo which aroused controversy and protests, the magazine was sold out. The magazines Bungei Shunju publish occasionally put in dubious inflammatory articles which surely evoke controversy with a view of boosting their sales. I guess that the publication of Nishioka's article at this time when Japanese' interest in the Holocaust is keen because of Schindler's List and Sempo Sugihara was merely Marco Polo's sales tactic.
Because of the protests from Jewish groups and the Bungei Shunju's major sponsors (Mitsubishi and Japan Cultier), the magazine Marco Polo has already been abolished. Through various mass media, a company representative of Bungei Shunju apologized officially for the distortion of history and promised a stricter examination of the magazine articles his company publishes.
There are some Japanese who chauvinistically believe in Hitler and Nazism. But such Japanese are negligibly few. THE MAJORITY OF THE JAPANESE TRUST AND SIDE WITH JEWS. I hope that a minor matter like this will not destroy the bridge between Jews and Japanese which Sempo Sugihara and the citizens of Kobe built during WW II.
Please allow me to express a word of thanks for your efforts to collect donations for the victims of the great earthquake(M.7) which devastated Kobe on Jan.17 and killed over 5100 people.
And, last but not least, I thank Mr.Kenneth Waltzer & Mr.Stephen Feinstein for giving me the addresses of Art Spiegelman.
Kiyoe Otsuka
Kagoshima University Japan
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:04:04 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: JoeHerman@aol.com Subject: Re: Questionaire on Nazi Experiments
Dear Mr. Powell:
I do not mean to beg the questiion, but I assume that you are aware that our own military has at least one laboratory in which testing on extreme conditions (heat and cold) are tested. The manner of the studies is obviously not comparable to the experimentation, inhumanity and cruelty employed by the Nazis and the program is run by legitimate scientists.
On a purely moral level, and as a Jew, I have extreme difficulty in condoning the use of the German results obtained with Jewish victims. I also do not believe that accurate scientific methodology was used. But as a realist, if it advances the survival of humanity, it seems to me that the victims' horrible deaths should not have been entirely in vain.
I hope this is of some use to you.
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:06:12 CST Reply-To: Alex Sagan <sagan@husc.harvard.edu> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Alex Sagan <sagan@HUSC.BITNET> Subject: Sueddeutsche Zeitung of 28./29.1
David Dickerson and members of the list:
Very interesting piece about the Auschwitz remembrance and related issues. Thanks, David, for posting it.
But, why is such an article only reproduced in the *English-language* edition? Could one say it is "omitted" from the German-language edition? I get hard-copy versions of the German government's somewhat similar publication (The Week in Germany), and I believe there is an unacknowledged and significant pattern to such differences in the English and German editions. Can anyone shed light on this?
--Alex Sagan
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:07:34 CST
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From: Sidney Bolkosky <sbolkosk@umd.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Frankl's _Man's Search For Meaning_
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Just a brief response to Gary Weissman's posting on Frankl's work. While
I tend to agree with Langer's reading of that work, it has also been my
experience, after interviewing some 165 survivors, that virtually none of
them have echoed anything like Frankl's views. There is, it seems to me,
no uplifting, morally encouraging, spirtually rescuing aspect of
surviving Auschwitz. The fact that Frankl's book is used in so many high
school classrooms indicates that, like *Schindler's List*, perhaps, it
allows us a comforting entrance into the confines of Holocaust studies
which ought to profoundly disturb us and leave us not exhilarated but
sleepless and sombre.
Sid Bolkosky
UM-Dearborn
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:09:00 CST Reply-To: leeson@admin.fhda.edu Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Dan Leeson: LEESON@admin.fhda.edu" <leeson@aspen.fhda.edu> Subject: Important TV show scheduled next week
A Nova TV show scheduled (in the San Francisco area, at least) for 8 pm on Tuesday, Feb. 7 (PBS channel KQED), and titled "Nazi Designers of Death" will deal with the professional German engineers and architects who suvberted the practical technology of their crafts to transform Auschwitz and Birkenau into efficient factories for death.
Robert-Jan van Pelt, a professor architecture at Waterloo University in Ontanrio, Canada is the program's tour guide through reams of written documents and blueprints recently released from a secret KGB library in Moscow.
Bib by bit, and piece by piece, van Pelt assembles the puzzle of the political and architectural maneuvers that created the designs of the crematoria and gas chambers. He is aided in this detective work by the testimony of survivors and other scholars, such as author and historian Gerald Fleming ("Hitler and the Final Solution").
The above text was extracted from a blurb in the Northern California Jewish Bulletin which also states that the film may be purchased directly from WGBH for $19.95 plus shipping. Call 1-800-255-9424.
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:10:25 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: avr@mttec.mt.att.com Subject: Re: Pioneer Fund
As a scientist who has participated in peer-review panels for the National Science Foundation, NIH, NIMH and other granting agencies, I am familiar with the grant review standards of several private funding agencies, including the Pioneer Fund. On several occasions I have recommended that grant applicants apply to these private sources, including the Pioneer Fund, when their applications were placed in the "approved but not funded" category by a federal agency. There is absolutely no substance to the allegations that any of the scientific research grants of the Pioneer Fund were for "pseudo-academic" endeavors. Although I cannot divulge the name of the person involved because of considerations of _lashon hara_, and also because of the confidentiality of past reviews, I understand that the smear campaign we're seeing originated with an applicant who was disappointed with the Pioneer Fund's rejection of that applicant's proposal. Since then, the rejected applicant has been conducting a campaign against the Pioneer Fund in the worst tradition of a Stalinist _nagonka_. I must add that I am disgusted by the use of H-Net, and of the Holocaust List in particular, in a smear campaign of this kind.
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:15:05 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Gary S Weissman <weissman@csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Poetry After Adorno
In _Negative Dialectics_ Adorno writes: "Perenial suffering has as much right to expression as a tortured man has to scream; hence it may have been wrong to say that after Auschwitz you could no longer write poems" (362).
In his later essay "Commitment" (1962), available in _The Essential Frankfurt School Reader_ ed. Andrew Arato and Eike Gebhardt, or in _Aesthetic and Politics_ as well, he elaborates on this further: "I have no wish to soften the saying that to write lyric poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric ... Yet this suffering ... also demands the continued existence of art while it prohibits it; it is now virtually in art alone that suffering can still find its own voice, consolation, without immediately being betrayed by it."
He then goes on to write: "The so-called artistic representation of the sheer physical pain of people beaten to the ground by rifle-butts contains, however remotely, the power to elicit enjoyment out of it. The moral of this art, not to forget for a single instant, slithers into the abyss of its opposite."
Why is Adorno's formulation (poetry; Auschwitz: barbaric) so popular, so often paraphrased, taken out of context, etc.? Perhaps it has a poetic appeal.
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:17:08 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: They Always Called It Auschwitz (Book) X-cc: Multiple recipients of list HOLOCAUS <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UICVM>
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Jan Van Pelt gave a fantastic lecture in October at Dartmouth on the development of the "Auschwitz Sand and Gravel Co." which was the official name. His point was the town was Auschwitz from the outset as it was founded by Germans as a transit point from central Germany to Galicia, I think in the l3th century. He also suggested it was Himmler's romanticism with the past that led him to pick the spot again as a site for German renewal. Jan has archival slides of the town plan of the future Auschwitz and his scholarship, based on the Moscow archive, if formidable. Stephen Feinstein
> From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org>
>
> I found the attached news release from the University of
> Waterloo on Robert-Jan van Pelt's forthcoming book, THEY
> ALWAYS CALLED IT AUSCHWITZ, and thought members of the
> HOLOCAUS list would find it of interest.
>
> You will note that Robert-Jan van Pelt wrote one chapter
> ("A Site in Search of a Mission") and cowrote another
> ("The Machinery of Mass Murder at Auschwitz") in Yisrael
> Gutman and Michael Berenbaum's excellent study, ANATOMY OF
> THE AUSCHWITZ DEATH CAMP, which was published last year by
> Indiana University Press in association with the United
> States Holocaust Memorial Museum (ISBN 0-253-32684-2).
>
> Also, I'd appreciate comments from anyone who has heard
> anything else about this book.
>
> Cordially,
>
> David Dickerson
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
>
> "In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we
> must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
>
> __Begin Attachment___________________________________________________
>
> From: jmorris@mc1adm.uwaterloo.ca (John Morris)
> Subject: UW prof to publish book on Auschwitz death camp
> Organization: Information and Public Affairs, UW
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:38:23 GMT
>
> University of Waterloo
> News Bureau
>
> -- For immediate release
>
> UW professor to publish book on Auschwitz death camp
>
> WATERLOO, Ont. -- A University of Waterloo professor of cultural
> history in the school of architecture has just completed work on a
> co-authored book which traces the architectural and planning history
> of the Auschwitz Nazi death camp.
>
> Robert-Jan van Pelt, a native of Haarlem, Holland, who holds a
> PhD in the history of ideas, has studied Auschwitz from an
> architectural viewpoint for more than eight years.
>
> Van Pelt's book, featuring approximately 200 illustrations, will
> trace the transformations from a concentration camp to slave labor and
> its familiar identity as a death camp.
>
> It will discuss the factors that led to those changes, such as SS
> leader Heinrich Himmler's vision of resettling the German East (the
> German occupied half of Poland) with ethnic Germans and the
> construction of a major industrial plant in the town of Auschwitz.
>
> The 400-page work entitled They Always Called it Auschwitz was to
> have been published in time for the 50th anniversary of the liberation
> of Auschwitz on Friday (Jan. 27). Instead, the book will appear later
> this year.
>
> The book is being co-authored by Debrah Dwork of Yale University
> in Connecticut, where Pelt is currently based. She has spent a dozen
> years studying the children of the Holocaust and has published her
> last book, Children with a Star, in 1991, which has been translated
> into several languages.
>
> Besides working on his book, van Pelt has written one chapter and
> co-written another for the book The Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death
> Camp. He was featured in an episode of the BBC production Horizons,
> which examined the Auschwitz blueprints, and he will also appear in
> the Feb. 7 episode of PBS's Nova, entitled Nazi Designers of Death.
>
> Van Pelt began studying Auschwitz eight years ago after a dispute
> with colleagues at the University of Virginia over the historical
> importance of Auschwitz's crematoria. It resulted in the publication
> of his previous book, Architectural Principles in the Age of
> Historicism, co-authored by C.W. Westfall in 1991.
>
> -30-
>
> Contact: Robert-Jan van Pelt, (203) 497-9191 (after 3 p.m.)
> >From Robert Heinbecker, UW News Bureau, (519) 888-4567, ext. 5719
> Release no. 13 -- January 24, 1995
>
> __End Attachment_____________________________________________________
>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:18:39 CST
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From: nathan kravetz <hcedu005@huey.csun.edu>
Subject: Re: Need Information on Liberators
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Your best source for this info would be the Archives, US Holocaust
Memorial Museum, Washington, DC. Also contact the US Army Center of
Military History--contact your congressman for the exact address. As to
the individual liberators, only some of them have written of their
experiences. Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, has published one such:
The Seventy-First came to Gunskirchen Lager. Individuals as such are
surely very hard to locate unless via Jewish War Veterans, American
Legion, VFW, etc.
Best of luck.
Nathan Kravetz
Los Angeles
> From: TPHYLL@aol.com
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the list knows of an organization with data on
> liberators, that is, who they are, where they live, how one could contact
> them, etc. I intend to contact the local veterans groups here, but I was
> wondering if there's a group I could call nationally. I seem to remember
> that there is such a group. I remember reading that the actor Glen Ford
> belongs to this group. Any help would be appreciated.
> Phyllis Leff Univ. of Missouri Kansas City
> TPHYLL@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:29:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Harold Marcuse <marcuse@humanitas.ucsb.edu> Subject: Crosses in Natzweiler
Above the former camp is a cemetery with the reinterred remains
of French concentration camp victims. While the vast majority of
markers are crosses, there are stelae with Jewish stars engraved
on them. This was the case in 1983, when I first visited the
site. I assume the plaque you are referring to is at the grave of
ashes on the hillside below the camp.
I would be interested in clippings/more information.
Thanks!
Harold Marcuse, marcuse@humanitas.ucsb.edu
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:31:14 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Charles Fishman, SUNY Farmingdale" <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.BITNET> Organization: FROM SUNY FARMINGDALE, NY 11735 Subject: Re: Zimbardo's study of roles in authority
Prof. Gower,
Where was Zimbardo's study conducted? Where were the results of the study published?
Thanks for bringing this material to our attention.
--C. Fishman
SUNY, Farmingdale * * * "If the Sun & Moon should doubt,
Farmingdale, NY 11735 * They'd immediately go out." --Blake
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:32:31 CST
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Subject: Re: Poetry After Adorno
In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:15:05 CST from
<weissman@csd.uwm.edu>
Adorno's dictum is a convenient one-liner to convey the idea that the depths of this horror escape both expression (and aestheticization), let alone exploi tation. This standard and sober awareness that the gulf between reality and a rt in this instance is too great to overcome. As Levi says after being process ed as a prisoner in Auschwitz: "Then for the first time we became aware that our language lacks words to express this offense, the demolition of a man." But obviously this is also a rhetorical trope: Levi is in fact writing!!! Adorno's later corrective is salutary.
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:33:41 CST
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Subject: Re: They Always Called It Auschwitz (Book)
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Dear David. I have a copy of "Anatomy of Auschwitz," which I have read with great interest. Some of the contributions are summaries of what we have known. Van Pelt's contribution, however, is fascinating: it is sophisticated as archi tectural analysis and shows the results of access to soviet archives. Himmler' s plan for Auschwitz was part of his global plan for an agricultural and urban 'utopia' in uppper Silesia, populated by Germans, with Auschwitz kept for force d labor by Slavs. Hence, so many projects of drainage and land reclamation imposed on prisoners (some of the worst work). Van Pelt also gives a history of the site throughout the ages, its position as a border town varying accordin g to the changing national boundaries. well worth reading.
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:40:37 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Jim Mott <U15607@UICVM.BITNET> Subject: Re: Help for Eighth Grader on Mengele
From: mskerem@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (yitzchak kerem)
Sources for consultation:
Robert Jay Lifton, The Nazi Doctors, Medical Killing and the Psychology of
Genocide, (New York: BAsic Books, 1986).
mavis Hill and L. Norman Williams, auschwitz en angleterre, l'affaire derring,
(Paris: Calmann-Levy, 1971).
Film by Susan Vigorito on her experiences with her twin sister.
Ruth Elias, Die Hoffnung erhielt mich am Leben, (Munich: Piper, 1988).
12th grade thesis of Kineret Sarfaty, Jerusalem, 1984?.
shmuel Refael, ed., Routes of Hell, Greek Jewry in the Holocaust, Testimonies
(Tel Aviv: Hamahon Lecheker Yahadut Saloniki, 1988).
Yitzchak Kerem, "The History of the Jewish Community of Salonika in the 19th and
20th Centuries" in Pinkas Kehilot Yavan, Jerusalem, YAd VAshem, [in press].
Yitzchak Kerem, "La Henrietta Szold, La Ultima Nave Ke Prtio De Gresia Kon Imigr
antes Illegales Para Eretz Israel". Aki Yerushalyim, Anyo 15, 1995. No. 49, pp.
40-42.
Candles produced several booklets and publications.
The young woman should also consult the Dekel and LAniado book on Mengele.
I have over 50 names of Greek Jewish mena nd women, who endured experiments.
I will not reveal the names until I publish an upcoming article on
Greek Jewish medical experiment victims, but until then I will reveal the
following names:
Aliza Baruch - she had cancer emplanted in her uterus, but was able
to give birth to children after the Holocaust
Shabetai HAnoka - testicle removed in operation. He was unable to give birth
to children after the war.
Both names of survivors have already been published. Shabetai lives in Rishon
Letzion in Israel. He can be contacted through me.
I will also note taht most of the Greek Jewish Holocaust survivors have not rece
ived reparartions from teh German governemnt until this day. They are not recogn
ized as Holocaust victims by most governments. This includes the dozens of
medical experiment victims at the hands of Mengele and the other sadistic
doctors. These Greek Jews have been continuously rejected or been put aside
in reparations applications since 1953.
Yitzchak Kerem
Historian on Greek Jewry in the Holocaust
POB 10642
Jerusalem 91102
Israel
mskerem@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il
I know I am about to put my neck on the block, but I feel very uneasy about the project outlined above. I do not know the circumstances or what reason Katy Alavarado had for her choice. Her intentions may be laudible, but I doubt that this subject can receive proper exposure at a school fair. Not having attended such fairs for a few years, has the emphasis shifted from my days? Are issues which have major moral and ethical implications and which need to be presented with a great deal of care, empathy, insight and historical reference material properly dealt with in this setting?
Having read Caplan's book (1), I wonder how this vast subject can be presented properly in such a poster setting. Is this project getting close to the type of "investigative" reporting that is seen on US television "Docu-News" shows, such as the sensational "Hard Copy"?
I do not wish to compare the Holocaust with other historical atrocities that have taken place. As Lipstadt (2) pointed out, that gets one unto the slippery slope of Holocaust Denial.
However, I would like to know from any of you who teach at the lower grade levels and who may have vetted topics for school fairs, whether other historical atrocities have been used as subject material? Japanese medical experiments on prisoners of war? Torture of prisoners in "civilized" countries, as documented by Amnesty International in their annual reports? The behaviour of the French in the Algerian wars?
(Any one of you can easily put a dozen items on such a list.)
In a recent post, Racelle Weiman rightly points us in the direction of Alice Miller's works. But unlike Racelle, I find that, although Miller does indeed focus on Germanic society in books such as _For Your Own Good_, she doesn't limit the application of her theories to Germans alone. In other words, I don't find in Miller's work an underlying premise that something "Germanic" per se is at work in the dangerous notion of childrearing, a notion that Miller sees at play in various forms of interpersonal and international (e.g.) violent adult behavior. (Miller critiques not just the practices of childrearing, but also the very concept itself as many of us have understood it.) In fact, here is the opening line of her introduction to _For Your Own Good_: "Anyone who has ever been a mother or father and is at all honest knows from experience how difficult it can be for parents to accept certain aspects of their children" (3).
Have I missed something in Miller's work?
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:45:49 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: SIMPSON@american.edu Organization: The American University Subject: Egg on my face?
Friends --
Not long ago, I posted a note concerning the propaganda character of 'The Week in Germany', which is frequently posted to this list. I pointed out that it had not covered the acquittal of two neo-Nazis in Hamburg accused of Holocaust denial activities.
Later the same morning, The Week in Germany did cover that story.
So I may look foolish, but I continue to think my point is sound. That is, the coverage in 'The Week' is fundamentally shaped to make the current German government look good, reasonable, effective, and so on. In this particular case, the 1-paragraph news piece used the usual spin device of quoting the (failed) prosecutors as cluck-clucking about the fact that they should have won their case.
No doubt the prosecutors are sincere, and no doubt the Kohl government would like the more grotesque exhibitions of racist activity -- burning of Turkish homes, outright Holocaust revisionism, beatings of foreigners, etc. -- to disappear.
But those issues are not the core of the debate about the non-Jewish historical memory concerning the Holocaust, at least not for me. Among the more central questions, I think, are the capacity of mainstream institutions for gross brutality and the means to resist that aspect of corporate culture. The message from The Week in Germany remains: "don't worry; we're doing everything that can be done; the main institutions of society are sound and uncorrupted by power, class, anti-semitism, and so on."
If that is not an accurate description of the underlying message of the 'Week', I challenge Mr. D to come up with a more accurate summary for this list's edification. If it is in truth the underlying message (as I contend it is), then the daily postings of German government propaganda should be trimmed back by this list's moderator, just as other messages are regularly trimmed for balance.
Regards,
simpson@american.edu
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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:39:18 CST Reply-To: S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Simon Bromberger <S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Christian Symbols at Auschwitz (GERMNEWS)
->I have been studying the camp of Natzweiler-Struthof in Alsace. There were ->only crosses there until about five years ago, when a Hackensack, NJ lawyer ->working with the Simon Wiesenthal Center representative in Paris placed a
I would appreciate details as I visited the camp myself in 1988
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:43:39 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: RJPrys@aol.com Subject: Re: Frankl's _Man's Search For Meaning_
Gary Weissman responds to my response to his post by stating, in part:
>>While not questioning that
Frankl's book is "valid as survivor testimony," we can distinguish
between the lived reality of his experiences in Auschwitz, and his
book in which he writes about these experiences and his theory of
logotherapy.<<
I'm not sure that I agree. From what I've learned about survivors and their post-Holocaust lives and experiences, the Holocaust underlies much of the sum and substance of their thinking and behavior. In part, I think, this is why one surivor whom I know talks about "so-called liberation." I would argue that Frankl's book, which was written a number of years after his own (so-called?) liberation, is part and parcel of "the lived reality of his experiences in Auschwitz." If I'm right, then I would question whether or not we can "distinguish between" this lived reality and Frankl's book.
Gary also states:
>>Particularly given that _Man's Search for Meaning_ is taught so much in schools, I think it is most important to actually critically engage with what this book teaches its readers. The hands-off, 'who are we to think critically about this' stance, involving a kind of sanctification of survivor accounts, is extremely limiting.<<
Fair enough concerning the santification of accounts critique. On the other hand, like other accounts of trauma, survivor accounts exist in a paradoxical state of their being both accessible and not accessible to anyone other than, and sometimes including, the survivors who give the accounts. In my experience, many of us have often paid lip service to the notion that we need to be careful about how we judge/treat/react to these accounts but then have proceded to talk about these accounts as if the categories of interpretation with which we're familiar or comfortable can simply be applied to our analytical efforts. Survivor accounts challenge these categories.
Let me also confess here that I've become especially troubled by the responses to the Holocaust in general and survivor testimony in particular given by many of my colleagues who, like me, have their degrees in English or related fields. In the worst cases, I've seen "English types" (as some of my colleagues in other disciplines refer to "us"), regardless of their intentions, play with the Holocaust as if the Holocaust were a language game. So, while I'm in agreement that we should evaluate surivor testimony critically, while not invalidating it as testimony per se, I suppose that I would say that, at this point in my life, I'm far less certain of how to do that than I was before, and that, previously, I already felt uncertain about how to do so.
Gary also writes:
>>Frankl suggests that Auschwitz prisoners should have taken "the camp's difficulties as a test of their inner strength" and "attain human greatness"-- "One could make a victory of those experiences, turning life into an inner triumph, or one could ignore the challenge and simply vegetate, as did a majority of prisoners." It would be interesting to relate this to Primo Levi's statement that the true or complete witnesses were those who touched bottom, those who did not return or who returned mute.<<
Yes, it is interesting to compare Frankl's and Levi's views. Levi also suggested, did he not, that survivor accounts give us the most direct access to the truth of the Lagers, but that, paradoxically, these accounts are tainted by a kind of traumatic memory, which itself is limited by the survivors' own experiences?
To help me clarify my thoughts here, I would like to quote from a book review that I published a couple of years ago in _Holocaust and Genocide Studies_. "In the final analysis, we would do well to bear in mind that all testimony is mediated by one sort of narrative or another, whether the testimony is written, oral, or even pictorial, and whether it constitutes the account of the victim or that of the person trying to understand the victim's plight" (correction in 8.1: 115). "Even the victims' silences are mediated, in part by their own struggles to speak, in part by our struggles to hear and understand them, and in part by the conditions of possibility which informed these silences--those conditions that permeated the universe of the *Lagers* and that generated the initial silences, as well as those which, if we are not careful, we ourselves could create in our present consternation and as a result of the interpretive pitfalls inherent in our judgments" (7.1: 132).
Finally, Gary writes:
>>The point here is that much more needs to be said than simply: 'Frankl imposes a problematic teleology. So be it.' Especially when Frankl is taught to students who do not bring other survivor account perspectives or much historical knowledge of the Holocaust to their reading of _Man's Search_.<<
Fair enough. What I meant to suggest is that, if Frankl's way of dealing with and understanding his experiences doesn't match up to how we would like for him to articulate this struggle (or even to *have* this struggle), then perhaps we need to take stock of our critical analysis of F's work. For example, when Langer--whose work, in my view, is crucial--criticizes Frankl for imposing a problematic teleology onto the Holocaust, isn't he (that is, Langer) possibly falling prey to his own criticism? That is, isn't it possible that Langer invalidates Frankl's view because this view doesn't fit within Langer's interpretive schema? In a move not to hierarchize survivor testimony, hasn't Langer, in fact, hierarchized survivor testimony?
Let me repeat: I find Langer's work to be crucial; I think that his caveats concerning our understanding of the Holocaust--cf. Sid Bolkowsky's recent post to the list, e.g.--are sobering. However, I would suggest that we need to be careful not to invalidate Frankl's view in our determination not to use that view as some sort of paradigmatic piece of survivor testimony.
I, for one, would like to hear others' responses to these issues. And I thank Gary for raising these very important matters.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:44:47 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: THOMPSON@LVC.EDU Subject: Re: Questionaire on Experiments Conducted in Germany in the 40's
I have heard that the medical experiments with military applications commonly used Aryan-type inmates -- not Jews -- so as to be "racially pure." Can anyone verify this?
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:45:56 CST Reply-To: S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Simon Bromberger <S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk> Organization: University Of Sheffield Subject: Re: Pioneer Fund
-> There is absolutely no substance to the allegations that any of
->the scientific research grants of the Pioneer Fund were for "pseudo-academic"
endeavors
->
-> Adam_V_Reed@ATT.com
I am curious as to why you state there is no evidence for the racism of the Pioneer Fund. The fund has been tied to Mankind Quarterly whose editor Roger Pearson maintains links with the Far Right in Europe and has worked with Holocaust deniers such as Willis Cato.
The Pioneer Fund was established by the pro-Nazi textile magnate Wickliffe
Draper in 1937 to support "race betterment" in the U S.
He proposed sending Black Americans "back" to Africa and tried to distribute a
Nazi
eugenics propaganda film to schools and churches .
When these projects flopped, the Pioneer Fund began to bankroll professors and journals (notably Mankind Quarterly) dedicated to racism and eugenics.
I am awaiting for permission to post a document to this list which details the activities of the Pioneer Fund which alongside much of the recent literaure is based upon accurate research and not the product of one embittered academic. As far as I can see this organisation has been firmly tied to the Far Right and racist research, however scientific.
Simon Bromberger
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:47:30 CST
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From: Carol A Vaughn <vaughca@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: Re: Need Information on Liberators
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On Wed, 1 Feb 1995, Mott, Jim wrote:
> From: TPHYLL@aol.com
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the list knows of an organization with data on
> liberators, that is, who they are, where they live, how one could contact
> them, etc. I intend to contact the local veterans groups here, but I was
> wondering if there's a group I could call nationally. I seem to remember
> that there is such a group. I remember reading that the actor Glen Ford
> belongs to this group. Any help would be appreciated.
> Phyllis Leff Univ. of Missouri Kansas City
> TPHYLL@aol.com
>
Please disregard if this has already been mentioned. Have you contacted
the Fred Crawford Witness to the Holocaust Project at Emory University
which is preserving the eye-witness accounts of American service men and
women who helped to liberate the camps?
CAV
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:48:42 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Sarah Neitzel, UT-Pan American" <NEITZEL@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU> Subject: Re: Info on Nazi memorabilia (silver SS ring)
I queried H-Teach about the below described Nazi memorabilia. The moderator suggested I also send a note to the Holocaust discussion list.
A student brought a ring to me to help him identify it. I know nothing about Nazi memorabilia and am asking for help. The ring is a silver man's ring with a raised skull. Around the band are markings that have become worn but clearly to be seen is the Nazi swastika. On the inside of the band are three block letters that are unreadable. But in script is the name H. Himmler. Was such a ring standard issue to members of the SS? Or could it actually be Himmler's ring? The latter seems farfetched to me. Someone told the student the ring was worth between $600 and $1000 if it was standard issue and extremely valuable if Himmler's ring. The student said he bought the ring in Germany while stationed there. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
Sarah C. Neitzel
Department of History & Philosophy
UT-Pan American
Edinburg, TX 78539
e-mail: neitzel@panam.edu
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:50:02 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org> Subject: Re: Raoul Wallenberg X-cc: eepstein@igc.apc.org
Dear Eric,
> ...according to Soviet documents Wallenberg was > "liquidated" in 1947 after he became an "unwanted > witness." According to the present head of Russian > archives, Gen. Anatoly Kryushin, Wallenberg was executed > "without sentence. Otherwise they would not have scrathed > Wallenberg's name out of prison records, and there would > have been a medical certificate, an autopsy and record of > cremation." Marton attributed Wallenberg's alleged > sitings to "legend" and "hope."
Thanks for the elucidation of Wallenberg's fate. Obviously, the death certificate which the Soviet Union produced in 1947 to substantiate their claim that Wallenberg died of a heart attack was a fiction and had no corresponding medical certificate or post mortem report.
Thank you again, Eric.
Cordially,
David
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:54:28 CST Reply-To: Alex Sagan <sagan@husc.harvard.edu> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Alex Sagan <sagan@HUSC.BITNET> Subject: Re: Sueddeutsche Zeitung of 28./29.1
In-Reply-To: <1946.dander@css1.css.edu_POPMail/PC_3.2.2>
Dear Dennis Anderson:
Oops. Thanks for your correction. I suppose David simply missed its appearance in the German edition, since he posted materials from both editions. Is it the case that German News, to which I just subscribed (haven't received it yet) is basically identical in both languages and my point does not apply to it at all?
Other list members have also noticed the assymetry in The Week in Germany and Deutschland Nachrichten. The differences I have noticed have especially to do with articles about the Holocaust and historical remembrance. I think Chris Jackson is posting a note about another observed difference in the two editions.
Regards,
Alex Sagan
On Sun, 5 Feb 1995, dennis anderson wrote:
> The same article appeared in German in the German edition of GERMNEWS on
> the same day.
>
> Dennis L. Anderson
> Professor of History
> College of St. Scholastica
> Duluth, MN 55811
>
> On Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:06:12 CST, Alex Sagan wrote:
>
> >David Dickerson and members of the list:
> >
> >Very interesting piece about the Auschwitz remembrance and related issues.
> >Thanks, David, for posting it.
> >
> >But, why is such an article only reproduced in the *English-language*
> >edition? Could one say it is "omitted" from the German-language edition?
> >I get hard-copy versions of the German government's somewhat similar
> >publication (The Week in Germany), and I believe there is an
> >unacknowledged and significant pattern to such differences in the English
> >and German editions. Can anyone shed light on this?
> >
> >--Alex Sagan
>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:55:37 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: RAlcorn824@aol.com Subject: Re: Information on Nondeath Camps
My name is Bob Alcorn. I am a docent at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
In regards death camps:
First, the universe of the camps was far, far greater than most of us
comprehend. The major camps had many, many 'nebenlagere.' Auschwitz., in
addition to the main sub-camps (Birkenau, Monowitz, Buna) had between 35 and
55 auxillary camps (count depends on your source.)
The 'Death Camps" (Vernichtungslagere) were, pretty much in order of
establishment, Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau, and
Majdanek( a sub-camp within the Auschwitz system). Killings took place at
most of the other camps, but these six camps were the extermination camps.
You may wish to check _Hitler's Death Camps_, by Konnulyn Feig (Holmes &
Meier, New York & London, 1979/1983, or _Amatomy of the Auschwitz Death
Camp_, Yisrael Gutman & Michael Berenbaum, eds., United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum & Indiana University Press, 1994.
Fully 50 % of the Jewish victims were killed in these six death camps and by
the Einsatzgruppen over an eleven month period between mid-March 1942 and
mid-February 1943 (_Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final
Solution in Poland._, Christopher Browning, Harper Collins, 1992.
The number of non-death camps really depends on how one defines a camp.
Minimalist descriptions reach figures of 4,000+ disdributed throughout
Europe. Dr. Berenbaum has come up with figures far in excess of this
number.
What is a camp?
Does a slave-labor worksite (where prisoners were kept over night or longer
periods) count as a camp?
Nebenlagere? Hundreds of these existed that had capacities of 1,000
prisoners or more.
(43 different types of camps are listed in some resources!)
Your question may not be answerable beyond the limits which are germaine to
your interests.
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:57:12 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Gulable@aol.com Subject: Survivors & Multiple Personality
I'm hoping you all will be able to help me.... I'm currently working on my masters degree in library and information science and have a B.A. in psychology. I still work with my psychology advisor on research projects and she shares my "fascination" of the holocaust. She recently brought up an idea for a topic that I find extremely intriguing; especially regarding children who survived concentration/death camps, did any of them as a way to "escape" what all was happening in the camps develop multiple personalities? I've done some preliminary research and have not found anything as of yet. These are two major areas of interest for me and I would greatly apprecieate and info. you may be able to provide.
Thank you in advance,
Deborah
Gulable@aol.com
Deborahc@elmhurst.edu
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:59:13 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Gulable@aol.com Subject: Re: They Always Called It Auschwitz
The book is being co-wwritten by Robert-Jan van Pelt and Dr. Deborah Dwork. Deborah is a good friend of mine and the author of many books including Children With A Star: Jewish Youth in Nazi Europe. I know they are working on the last stages of the book and if I'm remembering correctly, the last time I spoke with Deborah I believe she said they hope to have it out "very shortly."
Let me know what all you are interested in knowing and I'll give her a call!
Deborah
Gulable@aol.com
Deborahc@elmhurst.edu
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:09:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Nuremberg Oral History Project
From: Hank.Greenspan@um.cc.umich.edu
I have been asked to pass this announcement on to the HOLOCAUS list. Thanks, Hank Greenspan
<From: "Bruce M. Stave" <STAVE@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU> <Subject: Nuremberg Oral History Project <To: Multiple recipients of list OHA-L <OHA-L@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
The Center for Oral History at the University of Connecticut is planning an
oral history project documenting the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, 1945-49.
We are doing this in conjunction with the 50th anniversary of the Nuremberg
Trials and the opening of the Thomas J. Dood Archives and Research Center
at UConn. (Dodd was one of the prosecutors at the trials.) President Clinton
is scheduled to speak at the opening ceremonies. If your library or archive
has any oral history interviews relating to the Nuremberg Trials, we would
very much appreciate information about them. Thanks, Bruce M. Stave,
Director,
COH and Michele Palmer, Manager, Tapescribe.
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:14:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: The Japanese Magazine Case
[Fair Use reproduction of printed article--for non-profit scholarly commentary only]
Ignorance fuels Japan's anti-Semitism: A magazine has been closed after
denying the Holocaust, reports Emiko Terazono
The Financial Times
Publication Date: February 04, 1995 736 Words London Edition Page 3
Japan, with a Jewish population of fewer than 2,000, may seem an unlikely home for anti-Semitism. However, the closure this week of the current affairs magazine Marco Polo, after an international outcry about its article denying the Holocaust and the existence of gas chambers in Auschwitz, has flushed out some prejudices. The magazine's publishers, Bungei Shunju, a highly respected company, declared there was a lack of historical understanding and quickly withdrew the magazine from sale after complaints by Jewish groups and the Israeli embassy. An embarrassed foreign ministry denounced the article as improper. Cynics in the Japanese press allege that the publishing house was just using the criticism as an excuse to close the already unpopular magazine. Most of the media chose to ignore the fact that the case was not an isolated one. In the past few years, the number of anti-Semitic books and articles blaming a Zionist conspiracy for Japan's recession has been on the rise.
Articles alleging that 'Jewish capital' represented by foreign brokers had prompted the recent stock market crash have been published by popular weeklies. Mainstream dailies have carried advertisements of books alleging a Jewish conspiracy to control the Bank of Japan and finance ministry. These publications have promoted a peculiar fear about the financial power and political influence that might be exercised by Jews. The stereotyping has not all been negative, with Mr Den Fujita, who owns the McDonald's hamburger chain in Japan, calling himself the 'Jew of Ginza' and writing books on the business expertise of the Jews. However ultranationalists have pushed the anti-Semitic view. The books have become bestsellers but, as Jews living in Japan point out, there have not been any physical attacks or other serious forms of harassment. Mr James Lebeau, the Jewish community's rabbi, says much of the apparent anti-Semitism is limited to publishers tapping the public's unease at a time of economic uncertainty. Japan's obscure form of anti-Semitism comes partly from sheer ignorance of history: students are taught very little about Japanese aggression during the second world war, let alone on what went on in Europe. 'That an average Japanese citizen would never meet a member of the Jewish faith in his life provides fertile ground for negative stereotyping,' says Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the Jewish rights group in Los Angeles.
Xenophobia among some Japanese, many of whom prize racial
homogeneity, is seen as an underlying cause. The readiness with
which Japanese embrace conspiracy theories is also regarded as a
likely reason. Similar sentiments underlie equally bizarre fears of
world domination by another ethnic group, the overseas Chinese,
considered to have an international network of money and influence.
Members of the Jewish community in Tokyo note that the rise in
anti-Semitic literature is a recent phenomenon. Indeed, The Diary
of Anne Frank, a book about the travails of a Jewish girl in Nazioccupied
Amsterdam during the war, has been popular for 30 years
(it is published by Bungei Shunju). Mr Chiune Sugihara, a Japanese
diplomat in Lithuania during the war, issued transit visas and so
enabled 2,000 Jews to escape persecution. American Jews, concerned
by the pogroms in Russia, supported the Japanese in the RussoJapanese
war at the start of this century. The closure of Marco
Polo, which followed the withdrawal of advertising by corporate
sponsors including Volkswagen, the German carmaker, and Cartier,
the French luxury goods manufacturer, could reinforce belief in a
conspiracy. 'There will be people in Japan who will now claim that
the Zionist conspiracy now includes Volkswagen and Cartier,' admits
Rabbi Cooper. His centre wants to fill the knowledge gap and
eliminate negative stereotypes by giving seminars. They have asked
Bungei Shunju to encourage the 16 editors of Marco Polo to
participate. However, re-educating the Japanese about Jews may not
be enough. Some analysts claim the readiness among some Japanese to
deny the existence of the Holocaust stems from the denial of the
country's own guilt as an aggressor in the war. 'Many Japanese want
to believe that they were victims, and feel comfortable by denying
the suffering of others,' says Mr Akira Aoki, professor at the
Tokyo University of Information. The Japanese may need to come to
terms with their own role during the war before their anti-Semitism
can be addressed.
--
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:57:50 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: anthony.northey@acadiau.ca Organization: Acadia University Subject: Re: Sueddeutsche Zeitung of 28./29.1
February 6
In reply to Alex Sagan: The editorial on Auschwitz in the Sueddeutsche
Zeitung also appeared in the German version of GERMNEWS.
Hi!
I ama grad student in London doing research on Economic Warfare during World War II.
I just read a document saying that the Polish Government was interested in arranging relief shipments from Portugal for the Jews in the Ghettos. Apparently the UK was considering allowing through the blockade shipments of "not more than 4 tons of parcels monthly containing foodstuffs native to Portugal and not of a kind imported through the blockade."
Am I crazy, or does this sound a little unlikely?
Am I correct in assuming that this was just a way to get around the blockade? Why else would the Polish Government be interested in making sure the Jews in the Ghettos were taken care of?
Has anyone heard of this before?
Nechama Cox () ()
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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:59:53 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "David A. Meier" <DAVID_MEIER@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU> Subject: Holocaust Survey...North Dakota
Regarding: Holocaust Survey...North Dakota
I wish to express my thanks for the numerous observations on the survey regarding both its strengths and weaknesses. I found each observation a constructive addition to the survey. I would, however, like to further this inquiry by asking what questions list members would add to such a survey and which questions needed serious reworking or simple elimination. Perhaps list members would contribute their visions of a proper survey which could be accessed through the electronic archives?
With respect to the collection of data in North Dakota, my students reported that many individuals found the survey offensive but for reasons that they did not share. There were also those whose opinions we would have to classify as brutally anti-Semitic (something I will share with the list in the near future). While I realize that the survey has its limitations, I am inclined to see the survey as a teaching tool for the public (meaning those surveyed). The survey does more to inspire passionate and emotional responses. Yet while antagonistic, it stimulates discussion as well as concern for a variety of issues ranging from stereotyping and discrimination to what North Dakotans know about the Jews.
I look forward to your input on this matter.
David A. Meier
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:00:58 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org> Subject: Re: Sueddeutsche Zeitung of 28./29.1 X-cc: dander@css1.css.edu, sagan@HUSC.BITNET
In my recent exchange with Alex Sagan <sagan@HUSC.BITNET>, there was some confusion about an apparent omission in the English-language version of the January 29 (29.01.1995) issue of GERMNEWS (German News). Specifically, when I posted the SUEDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG editorial about the Holocaust from the 29.01.1995 issue of the English-language version of GERMNEWS, I indicated that the German-language version of that issue (29.01.1995) did not contain the German version of the editorial.
HOLOCAUS list member Dennis Anderson <dander@css1.css.edu> has clarified the matter for me. There was *indeed* a German version of the editorial ("Erinnerung - wozu?"), but it did *not* appear in the 29.01.1995 issue of the German version of GERMNEWS, but in the 28.01.1995 issue (German version).
I apologize for the confusion. I'm not sure why there is this inconsistency (the articles in English and German should be the same for a given issue number), but I did want to let you know that there were German and English versions of the SUEDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG editorial, but that they appear in different issue numbers. (With the exception of this irregularity, the German and English versions of the 29.01.1995 contain the very same articles.)
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:02:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Robert T. Moore" <RTMOORE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU> Organization: Amarillo College PCAD-ML Subject: Re: Medical Experiments by Dr. Mengele at Auschwitz
Hello, Richard!
Thanks for your very interesting response.
> A few years ago, I wrote the editorial notes for a letter written by a > survivor upon her liberation (we published an English translation of this > letter in our college's humanities journal). This survivor was a > gynecologist (she is now retired) who happened to spend about six months > "working" with Mengele in Auschwitz (he "supervised" her "ward"). About a > year ago, I had the honor and privilege to meet her. She told me that > Mengele was a rather mediocre physician, and not the evil genius whom he is > somtimes portrayed as being. And she wasn't referring to his cruelty; > instead, she was referring to his knowledge of medicine and his grasp of > medical issues.
I think this is correct. No one has ever said that Mengele didn't know what he was doing, only the way he went about it. I think he was a very competent doctor, and under other circumstances, he might have been remembered in a different light.>
> Also, in response to my question concerning whether or not she felt guilty
> about her "work" in Auschwitz, she told me that, in fact, she never felt
> that
> she did better, more useful work as a physician than that which she did
> while
> she was in Auschwitz. There, she said, she saved lives, many lives, every
> day, under the most horrible of circumstances, and not uncommonly at great
> risk to herself.
That is true, more than likely. I am curious as to know if Dr. Mengele was aware of what she was doing. This is a side that is not commonly known or shared by others dealing with Dr. Mengele. Please don't misunderstand. I am certain that your acquaintance is completely honest, but it disturbs me to think that anyone who worked as a doctor in a place like Auschwitz could have found that work valuable (perhaps the wrong word here) when so many died so needlessly or were put in the position to suffer for no other reason than to be Jewish or of another minority group.
It would be interesting to hear more of what she has to say about this.
Again, thanks for the response, and would appreciate your input.
All the best.
Terry
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:03:45 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Danny Keren <dzk@cs.brown.edu> Subject: Looking for Charles Ashman
Charles Ashman is the author of "The Nazi Hunters" and other books. I am very interested in contacting him with regard to an interview (by phone) he held with Alois Brunner in 1987.
Does anyone know how I can find him?
Thanks,
-Danny Keren.
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:55:29 CST
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From: JUBRENMAN@JTSA.EDU
Subject: Re: Music from the Holocaust
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I heard that the U.S. Holocaust Museum has a recording of lullabyes sung by mothers during the Holocaust. Is this true? I'm looking for background music that would be appropriate for a Holocaust memorial service. Any suggestions? Julie
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:57:01 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Colin Tatz <Colin.Tatz@mq.edu.au> Subject: Der Sturmer
In-Reply-To: <199502062136.AA10118@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>
To all interested,
I am desperately trying to obtain a copy of the May 1 1934 edition of Julius Streicher's antisemitic paper `Der Sturmer' for research purposes. If anyone can help out I would appreciate it greatly.
Darren O'Brien
Assistant to the Director
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:57:41 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Charles Fishman, SUNY Farmingdale" <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.BITNET> Organization: FROM SUNY FARMINGDALE, NY 11735 Subject: Antisemites & Holocaust Denial
<From: Avi Rabinowitz <avirab@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> <Subject: Why Antisemites are Holocaust Deniers <To: 2nd-gen@israel.nysernet.ORG
It has always seemed a bit strange to me that antisemites would spend a lifetime on holocaust denial. One would imagine they were appreciative of Hitler's efforts to do what they presumeably would like to do. It is also hard to believe that they don't really believe in what they are doing - I feel that someone devoting so much effort, braving so much criticism, would probably be those who actually believe in their own propaganda.
I think I may have an explanation which answers these questions (If this idea has been explored previously in print somewhereI would appreciate references to my e-mail address): the classic antisemite believes there is a world-wide conspiracy of Jews to rule, and that Jews control the media, multinational corporations, banks etc, and use this as their power base. However, this places them in the midst of a large dilemma - how could such a nefarious and devious globally powerful group allow themselves to be so persecuted and annihilated. The holocaust, with 6 million Jews murdered without any visible attempt to thwart the nazis, is a counter-proof to their claims of Jewish conspiracy! (of course they can claim that 'pres. Roosevelt was really named Rosenberg' and that he entered the war to save the Jews...?...!..but this was clearly too late an entry to save the Jews, so..) Perhaps that is why all these antisemites work so hard to deny the holocaust, and actually believe that it couldn't have happened - their antisemitic beliefs run so deep that no rational argument will ever be able to counter it, no historical fact will be accepted as counterproof - the fact will be denied instead. The very fact that the deniers encounter such concerted oppositio0n to their ideas, and the 'fact' that such a 'monumental hoax' could be perpetratred at all is to them probably iron-clad proof of the Jewish conspiracy they believe in!
It would be interesting to interview these deniers, or look at their writings, to find out how they 'explain' the success of this 'monumental hoax', and to see if they had conspiracy leanings prior to their work on holocaust-denial.
SUNY, Farmingdale * * * "If the Sun & Moon should doubt, Farmingdale, NY 11735 * They'd immediately go out." --Blake ``````````````````````````````` '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:04:12 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Harold Marcuse <marcuse@humanitas.ucsb.edu> Subject: SS ring
I do research on post-war Dachau, and have interviewed SS men who were interned there by the US army. Several have told me how they produced such rings for barter with US soldiers. The rings were much sought-after, but very rare - a kind of special award within the SS. According to my informants, there were far more counterfeit versions in circulation than originals. Harold Marcuse, UC Santa Barbara
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:05:31 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Hans-Joachim Zierke <hajo@quijote.in-berlin.de> Organization: Private UUCP-Site in Berlin Subject: Where to find questionaire files?
Later in the year, I will attend the 100ths anniversary of a German company. Like many of these with some tradition, their company history clearly shows that they had 12 years of company holidays. Good opportunity to fill the gap.
Some years ago, I did some research about the company owners career, doing service in the staff of Reichsfuehrer SS. Unluckily, the ordering magazine went bankrupt before the article was printed.
While I have a copy of the Berlin Document Center file, I also know that he was imprisoned as war criminal by the American forces in Greater Hesse, and released after 1 or 1.5 years. I spent 3 days with the Microfiche copies of US National Archive files.
I found some files regarding the imprisonment of industrialists, by the
Finance Division.
I think that the American forces will have done questionaries with these
prisoners, and somewhere the protocols and judgements should be archived. I
was not able to locate these, and the Military Government files are in no
systematic order.
I would be thankful for any hint how to locate these files.
Hans-Joachim Zierke
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:06:40 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Steve Paulsson <gsp3@leicester.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Polish Jews
The Polish Government-in-Exile made a number of moves on behalf of Jews in Occupied Europe. Among other things, they intervened on behalf of the Bundist politicians, Ehrlich and Alter, to try to secure their release by the Soviet Union (unsuccessfully); they interceded with the Vichy government to attempt to have Polish citizens exempted from roundups of Jews in France (also unsuccessfully); they apparently instructed the Home Army to supply (limited) quantities of arms to the Warsaw Ghetto; and they served as a conduit for money and information between Poland and the West.
There are a number of theories to explain why they did these things.
First, it has to be understood that the Government-in-Exile was not the semi-fascist prewar regime, whose leading lights spent the war in internment camps in Rumania, writing their memoirs. The G-in-E crystallized around an emigre group called the Morges front, representing the democratic opposition. The National Council also had three Jewish representatives - Szmuel Zygelbojm, representing the Bund; Ignacy Szwarcbard, representing the Zionist party, and a third man (whose name slips my mind at the moment) who represented the Polish Socialist Party (PPS).
The Jewish representatives could of course act on their own initiative; in addition, they could pressure the government to act, the latter having to take Western public opinion into account. Therefore the first theory is that they acted because of Jewish pressure.
The second theory, argued by David Engel, is that the Poles were anxious to win the support of 'World Jewry' for the Polish cause, and particularly for the return to Poland of territories annexed by the Soviet Union in 1939. Therefore they bent over backward to give a good impression. The second theory, then: they acted out of raison d'etat, supplemented by a dose of anti-Semitic theorizing about the power of World Jewry and 'judaeo-bolshevism'.
Supplementary to the second theory: they were anxious to assert their sovereignty in all matters affecting Polish citizens, even Jews.
The third theory is that they were a different breed from the pre-war colonels and that they were genuinely interested in a democratic future for Poland and moved at least in part by humanitarian concerns. They were, for instance, actively exploring the possibility of a multi-national confederation with Czechoslovakia which would have involved a retreat from the principle of integral nationalism and 'Poland for the Poles'. According to this theory, they might have done more for the Jews, but were held back (Engel again) because of reports they were receiving from Poland that an excessively pro-Jewish stance would alienate Polish public opinion. Or, alternatively, because they were constrained by the British government, which controlled their funds and exercised censorship. The British government, according to this theory, was concerned lest humanitarian efforts interfere with the primary objective of winning the war as quickly as possible. It was also concerened about Palestine: Britain was afraid that an excessively pro-Jewish stance might alienate the Arabs and lead to a repetition of the pre-war Arab revolt (or an Arab alliance with the Nazis).
Besides these general theories, one also has to take into account particular motives in particular cases: the Ehrlich-Alter case served the interests of anti-Soviet proaganda, and information about Nazi atrocities against Jews in Poland might help persuade the Allies to give the liberation of Poland top priority or provide arms and assistance to the Polish Underground.
The situation is obviously highly complex and generalizations ought to be avoided. My own feeling is that the motives of the London Poles were mixed. Various political tendencies were represented, each with its own agenda. The Prime Ministers, Sikorski and then Mikolajczyk, seem to have been personally decent men. Every government naturally acts out of raison d'etat (it's what they're paid to do), but it seems to me excessively cynical to attribute only such motives to them. A government which acts out of cynical self-interest and nothing else is a government of the type represented by Stalin or Hitler rather than a Sikorski or (say) a Churchill or Roosevelt, who are fundamentally decent men constrained or possibly corrupted by the demands of power.
> I just read a document saying that the Polish Government was interested in
> arranging relief shipments from Portugal for the Jews in the Ghettos.
> Apparently the UK was considering allowing through the blockade shipments
> of "not more than 4 tons of parcels monthly containing foodstuffs native to
> Portugal and not of a kind imported through the blockade."
>
> Am I crazy, or does this sound a little unlikely?
>
> Am I correct in assuming that this was just a way to get around the
> blockade? Why else would the Polish Government be interested in making
> sure the Jews in the Ghettos were taken care of?
>
> Has anyone heard of this before?
>
I haven't, and I'd like to know more. Obviously nothing came of it.
Steve Paulsson tel. (44)116 252 2802 Dept of History fax (44)116 252 3986
University of Leicester
University Road
Leicester LE1 7RH England
For experience should have taught him that few are the good, and few the evil, and that the great majority of men are in the interval between them. (Plato, Phaedo)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:12:04 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org> Subject: Re: They Always Called It Auschwitz (Book) X-cc: FIZ@PUCC.BITNET
Dear Dr. Zeitlin,
Thank you for your message.
> ...I have a copy of "Anatomy of Auschwitz," which I have > read with great interest. Some of the contributions are > summaries of what we have known. Van Pelt's contribution, > however, is fascinating: it is sophisticated as > architectural analysis and shows the results of access to > soviet archives. Himmler's plan for Auschwitz was part of > his global plan for an agricultural and urban 'utopia' in > uppper Silesia, populated by Germans, with Auschwitz kept > for forced labor by Slavs. Hence, so many projects of > drainage and land reclamation imposed on prisoners (some > of the worst work). Van Pelt also gives a history of the > site throughout the ages, its position as a border town > varying according to the changing national boundaries. > well worth reading....
I too am fortunate enough to own a copy of ANATOMY OF AUSCHWITZ and I agree with your observations about Dr. van Pelt's contribution, Dr. Zeitlin. I have only skimmed sections of the book but, after finding the press release about THEY ALWAYS CALLED IT AUSCHWITZ last week, I started reading van Pelt's chapter, "A Site in Search of a Mission."
As an expert on architectural history, van Pelt is able to go into great detail, for example, about the issue of sewage disposal and how Karl Bischoff's failure to complete the sewers, because there weren't enough guards, illustrates "the greatest fallacy of Himmler's original proposal to use slave labor to build up the German East" (136).
I also find his examination of Terrence Des Pres discussion of the Auschwitz's "excremental assault" to be challenging and illuminating. He argues that the filth of Auschwitz was the not result of a deliberate plan by the SS, as Des Pres believed, but of "an inadequacy of design" (130). Regardless of the intent, of course, "the result was the same...an inmate population without any means to preserve any outward sign of human dignity" (130) -- and clearly the Nazis exploited these unthinkable conditions to the fullest. (Reading this section of van Pelt's chapter has also prompted me to reread Chapter 3, "Excremental Assault," in Terrence Des Pres' THE SURVIVOR -- a book which I first read ten years ago, but which has always stayed with me.)
I look forward to seeing Dr. van Pelt's appearance on Tuesday night's NOVA, "Nazi Designers of Death," and I am eager for the publication of THEY ALWAYS CALLED IT AUSCHWITZ later this year.
Thank you again for your comments, Dr. Zeitlin.
Cordially,
David
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:54:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Distribution of Old Nazi Propaganda Films in Germany
From: Jonathan Morse <jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>
On Fri, 27 Jan 1995, simpson@american.edu wrote:
> Friends -- I realize that it is the common wisdom that Triumph of the Will > is a 'great' film for some sort of technical/aesthetic reasons apart from > its political content. But frankly, I just don't get it. Even leaving its > political content aside, what is it that is supposedly so.... 'beautiful' > or 'enlightening' or 'whateveritis-that-makes-art-'great'' about that > film? It comes across to me as roughly similar to other propaganda films > of both east and west from the same era, albeit with some arty camera > shots of the divers. Is there something I am missing?
Answer: yes. The film with the divers is _Olympia_, the documentary that Riefenstahl made about the 1936 (Berlin) Olympic Games. Susan Sontag has discussed _Olympia_ in terms of Fascist aesthetics, but at the level of explicit statement this film is ostentatiously "above politics." Hitler makes an appearance onscreen, for instance, but the only speech he delivers is a single sentence: "I declare the Olympic Games open."
_Triumph of the Will_, however, is quite another thing. Take a look. Consider especially the first fifteen minutes, the ones devoted to Hitler's descent from the sky to the soil of a reborn Germany, a Germany full of purposefully marching men and their ecstatically smiling women.
On a related point:
I think I know what Harriet Sepinwall means when she draws her distinction
between simulations and documentary films. And yes, of course, Claus Wall
is right when he says that producing a modern play can be less problematic
than producing _Hamlet_, and this fact has a bearing on historiography.
But I think the basic deconstructive point has to be faced that all
representation is implicated with fiction. Camera angle, editing, choice
of a tenor or a bass to read the soundtrack--if you want to remember,
you're going to remember in the form of a story, and that story is going
to told, whether you want it to be or not, with the help of those merely
aesthetic interpositions, and all the other artful lies too that
storytellers
know. Emily Dickinson wasn't just being cute when she said, "Truth is so
rare a thing, it is delightful to tell it." For Dickinson, delight is
pretty much the exclusive perquisite of the divine.
For an opposite point of view--specifically, the view that the Fortunoff Video Archive at Yale tells something like the pure truth about the emotional sense of the Holocaust--I could recommend Lawrence Langer's book _Holocaust Testimonies: The Ruins of Memory_ (Yale UP, 1991). For reasons I've discussed elsewhere, I think Langer's formulation is inadequate. But the book may help listmembers think about the complexity of the problem of representation.
Jonathan Morse
Department of English
University of Hawaii at Manoa
jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:03:31 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: RAlcorn824@aol.com Subject: Re: The fate of Jews in Bulgaria
The Bulgarian Government did, in fact, deport a number of Jews - around 11,500 - from territories they had taken as war booty, but the strange fact about Bulgaria is that it was the only country within the Nazi sphere of influence where the Jewish population actually increased during WWII. Not wine and roses! Much mistreatment, very severe Anti-Jewish legislation, etc. But the native Bulgarian Jewish population essentially survived.!
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:05:03 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: SIMPSON@american.edu Organization: The American University Subject: Re: THE WEEK IN GERMANY
In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:05:00 CST from <jimmott@spss.com>
Friends -- The Week in Germany is by any reasonable standard a propaganda organ of the present German government. I remain curious as to why D. Dickerson places such emphasis on posting it to this list.
Noticably missing from 'The Week's' glowing portrayals of Germany struggling with its conscience is any news of the other side of the story. Most recently, for example, German courts acquitted Neo-Nazis facing charges for Holocaust denial propaganda (NY Times, 2/5/95). In fact, many of the Neo-Nazis that have been arrested with so much fanfare from Mr. D have ended up released, acquitted in court, or facing only nominal punishment -- the practical effect of which has been to turn them into heros in the eyes of their sympathizers.
No, I do not buy the stereotype of all Germans as "Nazis", and in fact ordinary Germans appear to have done considerably more soulsearching about the atrocities of WWII than have, say, Americans or Japanese. I was pleased to see the German Catholic bishops' statement concerning the Holocaust, for example -- I note only that it comes 50 years after the fact.
It is appropriate to break down the German-as-devil myth, and I appreciate Mr. D's efforts to do so. Even so, the drumbeat of selfcongratulatory stories from Germany on its progress in dealing with Nazis wears a little thin for me. The Week in Germany can be relied upon to present consistently positive news about Germany, much as the USIA and Voice of America can be relied upon for positive news about the US. Both can be useful at times. But is this list the place for them?
Regards,
simpson@american.edu
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:10:09 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: michael rothberg <MPRGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Subject: german news
Personally, I am happy to have the German news summaries posted on Holocaus. If indeed they are "propaganda" I hope that we sophisticated scholars of the Holocaust would be able to see through that. More importantly, I imagine many of us are rather interested in German propaganda, so the news reports would make interesting texts for analysis. In any case, I don't feel particularly offended by the way they present the news, selective as it may be....
Michael Rothberg (mprgc@cunyvm.cuny.edu)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:12:22 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "David A. Meier" <DAVID_MEIER@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU> Subject: The Week in Germany...An Observation
Regarding: The Week in Germany...An Observation
I would like to commend those who have attempted to provide up-to-date information on what is taking place in the Federal Republic of Germany. Recently, a fair amount of flak has been generated over whether or not THE WEEK IN GERMANY constitutes more propaganda than news relevant to this list.
For the most part, I find the criticisms to contain their element of truth. If one reads both THE WEEK IN GERMANY along with DEUTSCHLAND NACHRICHTEN then one can surely detect the extent to which the editors (basically the same in both cases) are concerned with slightly different agendas. The German version, for example, will often include soccer scores while the English version will not. Second, the German version often place Holocaust related articles on the latter pages while the English version may well put them up front -- though not always. For some, this no doubt constitutes propaganda in some sense. However, in both the aforementioned cases, we have a small publication (of less than eight pages in reading material) which attempts to deal with ALL aspects of German life today. To that extent, these publications do not serve the list -- but then the entirity of either publication is not placed on our list, only a small selection from it.
In addition, it is important to realize that these publications are designed to provide both news as well as a reasonably positive assessment of what is taking place in Germany. Given that many of our list members "resist" having items placed before them in foreign languages, then I suggest that, for the sake or brevity, that THE WEEK IN GERMANY be viewed as a useful compromise.
For those seeking a more restricted list, I would suggest consulting the various lists run through Jerusalem One. These lists focus on such narrow issues as various interpretations of the Talmud(s), Israeli foreign and domestic policy, as well as Holocaust related topics. One is not likely to encounter the variety of discussions which are currently part of this list, but they may better serve the interests of some of this list's current subscribers.
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:14:35 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Questionaire on Nazi Experiments X-cc: Multiple recipients of list HOLOCAUS <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.UICVM>
In-Reply-To: <2f33fa7d4d28004@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Even more problematic for the American military was the Tuskegee experiment, where blacks were not treated for VD to study the course of the disease, and the LSD experiments of the l950s/60s, when volunteers were told they were testing flight jackets and were given LSD in their coffee. When they sued to US govt., the Supreme Court denied them a claim. Maybe the case is "Carsons v the US." Contact George Annas at Boston University Bioethics dept. for more info on this. A difficult question with Nazi medicine is how much of this desire to experiment on humans and without limitations lurks in the medical research community. Stephen Feinstein
On Sat, 4 Feb 1995 JoeHerman%aol.com@vm1.spcs.umn.edu wrote:
> Dear Mr. Powell:
>
> I do not mean to beg the questiion, but I assume that you are aware that our
> own military has at least one laboratory in which testing on extreme
> conditions (heat and cold) are tested. The manner of the studies is obviously
> not comparable to the experimentation, inhumanity and cruelty employed by
> the Nazis and the program is run by legitimate scientists.
>
> On a purely moral level, and as a Jew, I have extreme difficulty in condoning
> the use of the German results obtained with Jewish victims. I also do not
> believe that accurate scientific methodology was used. But as a realist, if
> it advances the survival of humanity, it seems to me that the victims'
> horrible deaths should not have been entirely in vain.
>
> I hope this is of some use to you.
>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:15:49 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: RJPrys@aol.com Subject: Re: Zimbardo's study of roles in authority
>>From: Paul Dennis Gower <pgowersr@tenet.edu>
In regards to the conversation betweenSteve Paulsson andRichard Prystowsky concening the nature of man,Prystowski mentioned the Milgram obedience work.This brought to mind Zimbardo's study of roles in authority.With lightly defined limits the students in the study assumed the roles of jailer/tormentor and prisoner/victim so rapidly that the study had to be stopped cold, in the middle to prevent physical harm to the participants.Obedience wasn't necessary to bring out the cruelty in human nature,only the existence of the proper setting. pgowersr@tenet.edu
Paul D. Gower
2201 University
San Angelo,Texas,76904<<
Paul is right to bring up the Zimbardo study here. But I'm wondering about Paul's phrasing concerning "the cruelty in human nature." If by human nature, Paul, you mean simply to imply something about human *tendencies*, then I have no problem with your phrasing. But if, on the other hand, you mean to imply something organic or biological, then I would ask you how you know that what you are looking at is "natural" cruelty? In other words, how do we avoid begging the question here? I'm reminded of J.S. Mill's critique of the notion that men and women behave and think differently because of their natures. Mill suggested that, since we've never known a society that has allowed men and women to be natural--that is, a society that hasn't in some way conditioned men and women according to their gender--it is foolish to talk about how men and women behave or think "naturally," since we cannot ferret out the underlying societal facets of their thinking and behavior (I'm paraphrasing here--from memory--from Mill's famous work on the subjection of women). I don't recall that Mill was referring to acts such as giving birth; instead, he was talking about the sorts of thinking and behavioral patterns that, today, many of us might still label, all too quickly, "masculine" or "feminine."
Also, let's keep in mind how much damage has been inflicted on individuals in response to their "natural" cruelty, evil, and the like.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:17:09 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org> Subject: Re: Sueddeutsche Zeitung of 28./29.1
Dear Alex,
Thank you for your response.
> Very interesting piece about the Auschwitz remembrance > and related issues. Thanks, David, for posting it.
You are welcome!
> But, why is such an article only reproduced in the > *English-language* edition? Could one say it is "omitted" > from the German-language edition?...
I'd like to make a few comments about this particular article. First of all, GERMNEWS (German News) is produced on a voluntary basis by some college students in Germany and I am sure they are always in a hurry to get the newsletter out; also, the English-language version of GERMNEWS just recently became available and, despite the fact that the translations are a bit rough, this new version (translation) must be time consuming. I make these comments as a way of saying that I think it would be a mistake to try to detect any deliberate patterns when comparing the German and English versions of GERMNEWS, publications which are of a different nature than professional, official publications by the government.
I did wonder about the fact that the SUEDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG editorial about the Holocaust was not in the German-language version, but the fact that the editorial was not in the German version may have been a matter of timing. The 28./29.1 issue of SUEDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG containing the editorial may not have been published yet when the German version of the January 29 GERMNEWS was issued. (The German version is, of course, written before the English version.)
As I mention above, the English translations are often quite rough (particularly lately) and I found it interesting that the SUEDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG editorial was a much better English translation than usual, almost as if it had appeared in English originally. (Does anyone know if SUEDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG prints articles in English or publishes an Englishlanguage version?)
> ...I get hard-copy versions of the German government's > somewhat similar publication (The Week in Germany), and I > believe there is an unacknowledged and significant > pattern to such differences in the English and German > editions. Can anyone shed light on this?
I, too, receive the German Information Center's THE WEEK IN GERMANY, Alex, and there are differences between THE WEEK IN GERMANY (English) and DEUTSCHLAND NACHRICHTEN (German).
As I mentioned in a message to HOLOCAUS earlier this week, an article in the January 27 issue of THE WEEK IN GERMANY states that both THE WEEK IN GERMANY and DEUTSCHLAND NACHRICHTEN are now available via FTP (langlab.uta.edu). Anyone interested in comparing the newsletters can download them; both are in the /TWIG and /DN subdirectories, respectively, within the /GIS (German Information Center) directory.
I would suggest that anyone comparing the two newsletters also contact the German Information Center, since there are many factors which might cause differences between the English and German versions -- factors which might not be readily apparent (e.g., editorial or production deadline considerations). The German Information Center might also be able to provide useful information about the respective audiences for THE WEEK IN GERMANY and DEUTSCHLAND NACHRICHTEN. The German Information Center can be reached at 950 Third Avenue; New York, NY 10022; Phone 212-888-9840.
Thank you again, Alex, for your message!
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:14:00 CST
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: Call For Papers - International Symposium,
Society for Exile Studies Inc.
From: Viktoria Hertling <hertling@scs.unr.edu>
CALL FOR PAPERS
International Symposium
Society for Exile Studies, Inc.
University of Nevada, Reno
October 4 - 6, 1996
CHILDREN IN EXILE
CHILDREN DURING THE HOLOCAUST
CHILDREN UNDER FASCISM
The conference papers should focus on testimonies by children and about children as expressed in literature, film, autobiography, and art during the Nazi period 1933 to 1945. Presentations on testimonies by children of former emigrants or exiles as well as papers on children's books and reports by children on their parents' role during the Nazi period are also encouraged. Papers written in English or German will be considered. Abstracts of 400-500 words are due by October 15, 1995:
Professor Viktoria Hertling, Director
Center for Holocaust, Genocide & Peace Studies
University of Nevada, Reno
Reno, NV 89557
Tel.: 702-323-8317
FAX: 702-323-8808
Program decisions will be made by officers of the Society for Exile Studies, Inc.
President: Viktoria Hertling
Vice President: Guy Stern
Treasurer: Sonja Hedgepeth
E-mail: hertling@scs.unr.edu
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:44:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Antisemites & Holocaust Denial
From: avr@mttec.mt.att.com
While the preservation of the "Jewish Power/Conspiracy" mythos is certainly one of the motivations of Holocaust deniers, a more important motivation may be simple sexual sadism. Through much of the history of Europe, Jew-baiting was an important socially sanctioned outlet for sexual sadism. Holocaust deniers are aware of the mental and emotional anguish of survivors faced with Holocaust denial, and derive sexual gratification from causing it. Most Holocaust deniers are just Jew-baiting sadists who discovered that minimal pseudo-academic trappings are enough to obtain constitutional protection for their sexual perversions.
Personal note: As a second-generation survivor, I used to feel fairly heavy pain and anger when confronted with Holocaust denial. Once I realized that the main motivation of Holocaust deniers was sexual sadism - it helps to imagine the writer of some Holocaust-denial piece jerking off to the thought of how much anger and pain he is evoking in readers like myself - I was able to put the stuff in a more realistic perspective. At this point, I even feel a kind of satiric empathy for the frustrated geeks who write it.
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:44:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Pioneer Fund Newsletter
From: avr@mttec.mt.att.com
+From: Simon Bromberger <S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk>
+
+-> There is absolutely no substance to the allegations that any of
+-> the scientific research grants of the Pioneer Fund were for
+-> "pseudo-academic" endeavors
+-> Adam_V_Reed@ATT.com
+
+I am curious as to why you state there is no evidence for the racism
+of the Pioneer Fund.....
First, what I said is that there is absolutely no *substance* to the allegations that any of the scientific research grants of the Pioneer Fund were for "pseudo-academic" endeavors. Such *substance* would consist of a verifiable citation to a study that was funded by the Pioneer Fund, on the basis of a grant application that could be fairly described, in the context of its time and academic milieu, as "pseudo-academic". ONE such citation would be enough, but Bromberger fails to provide ANY.
As for "racism": having spent my childhood as a Jew in post-WWII Poland, I am probably more sensitive than most readers of this list to any real racism. For the same reason, I am also more sensitive than most to the exploitation of the "racist" label for various politically tendentious and otherwise dishonest purposes. In the course of scientific progress, new insights constantly expose previously respectable theories as false, absurd, ridiculous, even racist. Just because some idea appears racist in the light of subsequent insights does NOT prove, or even suggest, that those who once propounded it were racist in the original context.
From: Simon Bromberger <S.M.Bromberger@sheffield.ac.uk>
Dear All,
I am posting two newsletters to the list summarising the Pioneer Funds activites.
As regards the detailed sources of the Pioneer Fund the following books have been said to provide much valuable information on the Fund its origins and connections with the New and Far Right.
Stefan Kuhl The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism (Oxford, 1994)
Russ Bellant Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party (South End Press, 1991)
CHICAGO COALITION AGAINST THE VIOLENCE INITIATIVE NEWSLETTER
The Policy-Making Influence of the Pioneer Foundation
Our recent information showing how discredited racist sources were cited in _The Bell Curve_ might make it appear as though organizations such as the Pioneer Fund are simply lunatic fringe groups, with little or no influence on public policy. It should be clear that his is not the case, given that much of the racists' platform -- ending welfare programs, restricting immigration, cutting funds to compensatory education programs, scaling back affirmative action programs in employment and education, and limiting school integration -- is being enacted or seriously considered.
The key figure in the Pioneer Fund nexus is Roger Pearson. He is one of the main PF recipients ($787,400 as of 1993) and is editor of two important racist journals: _The Mankind Quarterly_ (articles from which are frequently cited in _The Bell Curve_) and The _Journal of Social, Political and Economic Studies_ (which has published racist articles by Jensen, Levin, Gottfredson, and other PF recipients). Pearson is the linchpin of the whole racist operation, and is wellconnected to influential fascist forces in the U.S. and worldwide. A book _ Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party_, by Russ Bellant, who provides the following information:
(1) The Northern League, for which Pearson was the London-- based organizer in 1958, was a "white supremacist European organization that included former Nazi SS officials." In 1959, Willis Carto, founder of the racist and anti-semitic Liberty Lobby, arranged a speaking tour for Pearson in the U.S.. Carto's magazine, _Right_, called Pearson "the world's foremost spokesman for the scientific and forward-looking view of nationalism. He is held in renown by white nationalists the world over." Pearson moved to the U.S. in 1965 in order to edit _Western Destiny_, a Carto publication whose editorial board included well-known racists and anti-Semites, including Austin App, the pro-Nazi leader of the German American National Congress (DANK) who wrote _The Six Million Swindle_, which claims the holocaust never happened. Pearson published four racist monographs during this time, one of which was called _Race and Civilization_, which stated that it was based on the ideas of Hans F.K. Gunther, who was a leading racial theoretician for the Third Reich, and who later worked with Pearson organizing the Northern League. In his 1966 book Eugenics and Race, Pearson wrote: "If a nation with a more advanced, more specialized, or in any way superior sets of genes mingles with, instead of exterminating, an inferior tribe, then it commits racial suicide...." It's no wonder that Pearson's monographs are still sold by neo- Nazi groups today.
(2) In spite of, or perhaps because of, his fascist past, Pearson became an influential political player when he moved to Washington, D.C. in 1975. He became the editor of the American Security Council's _Journal of International Relations _ and served on the board of the ASC's American Foreign Policy Institute. The ASC was formed and run by retired military officers, corporate executives, and conservative politicians to promote a program of heavy military spending, support for cold war policies, aid to the Nicaraguan contras and UNITA in Angola, etc. Its political arm is the Coalition for Peace Through Strength, whose constituent organizations have ties to the fascist right, which Bellant details. The ASC was a highly influential organization during the Reagan and Bush administrations, with close ties to the military, the National Security Council, and State Dept. officials. Pearson's co-editors on the ASC's journal was James Angleton, former CIA deputy director for counterintelligence, and Robert Richardson, a retired Air Force general later revealed to be aiding gunrunning to Libya. So Pearson moved in high governmental and political circles.
(3) During this time Pearson became associated with the Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank influential in forming Reagan administration policy. Pearson was close to Edwin Fuelner, president of the Heritage Foundation, and joined the editorial board of _Policy Review_, the monthly HF magazine. In turn HF official Stuart Butler and editorial board member Ernest van den Haag (the long time writer for the _National Review_, who has publicly stated his opposition to school integration and support for Shockley's sterilization proposals), joined the advisory committee of Pearson's _Journal of Social, Political and Economic Studies_.
(4) In 1978, as the head of U.S. chapter of the World Anti-- Communist League, Pearson hosted the WACL conference in Washington, D.C. The Washington Post ran an article about fascists and neo-Nazis in the WACL, and named Pearson as a leading recruiter of fascist elements. Yet four years later, Pearson received a personal letter from President Reagan stating "Your substantial contributions to promoting and upholding those ideals and principles that we value at home and abroad are greatly appreciated." Pearson used this as a fundraising letter for his JSPES. Talk about friends in high places!
(5) Pearson and the Pioneer Fund have close connections to Jesse Helms. Sam Crutchfield has been the lawyer for a number of Helms' organizations, as well as Pearson's Institute for the Study of Man, which publishes _The Mankind Quarterly_ and is heavily funded by the Pioneer Fund. Crutchfield also sits on the advisory committee of Pearson's JSPES.
(6) According to Bellant, Pearson, an Englishman, also has ties to right- wing British aristocrats. Lord Malcolm Douglas was part of an aristocratic circle known as the Cliveden Set, who was sympathetic to the Nazis and sought to get Britain out of the war. (This group should be familiar to anyone who has seen the film Remains of the Day.) Malcolm was the brother of the aristocrat who invited Rudolph Hess, a top aide to Hitler, to secretly fly to England to meet with the Cliveden Set. Unfortunately for the upper class Nazi admirers, Hess was arrested and spent the rest of his life in jail. Lord Malcolm Douglas eventually came to the U.S. and established the American branch of the International Association for the Advancement of Ethnology and Eugenics (IAAEE), which published _The Mankind Quarterly_. (Bellant states that the oil billionaire Hunt brothers and Jesse Helms are members of the IAAEE.) For years. MQ listed its publisher as the Cliveden Press.
(7) Pearson, a former anthropology professor, has plenty of academic ties as well. In the mid- 1980's, Pearson was elected head of the University Professors for Academic Order, a conservative faculty group formed in reaction to anti-Vietnam War campus protests of the 1960's and '70's. Pearson has been quite a busy fascist, and in 1990 began to edit a third journal, _The Conservative Review_. Pearson maintains close ties with European racists, and is a board member of Nouvelle Ecole, which Bellant calls "a French highbrow neo-Nazi group."
The November 1994 of GQ magazine carried an article on the Pioneer Fund. The article is politically very weak, but it has an interesting story about Pearson and the 1978 WACL conference which he was in charge of:
At one point during the proceedings, Pearson noticed two men distributing what The Post termed "anti-Jewish tracts," as well as reprints from the _Thunderbolt_, a newspaper of the avowedly racist National States Right Party (NSRP). Pearson asked them to leave, though not before telling them that he was "sympathetic with what you're doing." He added: "But don't embarrass me and cut my throat." As they left, he asked them to "give [his] regards" to NSRP chief Edward Fields, The Post reported.
Today, the _Thunderbolt_ is called _The Truth At Last_. It is still published by Edward Fields, who leads a white supremacist and neo-Nazi group called the America First Party. In a recent issue of _The Truth At Last_ the lead two-page article is entitled _Bell Curve Proves Racial IQ Differences _, with photos of Charles Murray and William Shockley. Inside the paper, they advertised _Pearson's Race, Intelligence and Bias in Academe_ (a book which attacks Progressive Labor Party, Students for a Democratic Society, and International Committee Against Racism for its campaigns against racist scholars such as Jensen and Shockley), as well as Shockley's _On Eugenics and Race_, edited by Pearson. Also advertised are _IQ and Racial Differences_, a racist tract by former Pioneer Fund director Henry Garrett, as well as the Deluxe edition of _The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion_ (the famous anti-semitic forgery), with a 150-page introduction by industrialist Henry Ford.
It's pretty clear than Pearson and the Pioneer Fund are connected to a larger movement, international in scope, which not only wishes to roll back the gains of the civil rights movement, but which seeks another try at the Third Reich.
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Pro-Nazi Pioneer Fund Backs Racist "Bell Curve"
The following article is part of a series of articles attacking the racist book, The Bell Curve.When you see Charles Murray on C-Span (a cable channel) or on the cover of the New York Times Magazine, he's not wearing bedsheets or a swastika. But the research filling his best-selling book The Bell Curve (written with the late Richard Herrnstein) comes straight from the racist propaganda-mill of the ultra-right.
Murray is on the payroll of the Milwaukee-based Bradley Foundation, to the tune of $163,000 per year. This foundation started in 1985 with funds from the sale of the Allen-Bradley Co. to Rockwell International. Its $424 million assets make it the top sponsor of right-wing publications and think tanks in the U.S. It has paid Murray over a million dollars since 1986 (Milwaukee Journal, Oct. 23).
Murray and Herrnstein could not have written The Bell Curve without the Pioneer Fund. The pro-Nazi textile magnate Wickliffe Draper bankrolled this fund in 1937 to support "race betterment" in the United States. One of his ideas was to send black Americans "back" to Africa. Another was to distribute a Nazi eugenics propaganda film to high schools and churches across the U.S.
When these projects flopped, the Pioneer Fund began to bankroll professors and journals (notably Mankind Quarterly) dedicated to racism and eugenics. The Bell Curve's main sources claiming to show cause-and-effect links between IQ, social behavior, and race come from the Pioneer Fund-Mankind Quarterly network (see box).
"There are differences between races, and they are the rule, not the exception," say Murray and Herrnstein at the outset. One of their favorite experts on "racial and ethnic differences" is an Irish psychology professor, Richard Lynn. Lynn has hauled in $325,000 from the Pioneer Fund.
First Murray and Herrnstein cite Lynn's paper comparing Japanese teenagers with those from the U.S. and Britain. They conclude from this study, originally published in Mankind Quarterly, that the Japanese "have the highest intelligence in the world." The Bell Curve leaves the impression that Lynn tested similar samples in the three countries around the same time. But actually he compared only 178 Japanese children in 1985 with 64,000 U.S. children in 1973 and 10,000 British students in 1978. Such is the state of science in the fantasy world of Murray and Herrnstein.
Murray and Herrnstein claim that black Africans have lower IQs than African-Americans. This, they say, shows that genes determine black-white IQ differences in the U.S. This comes from Lynn, too. He scrounged up eleven studies. Five took place in apartheid South Africa and a sixth in the genocidal Belgian Congo of 1952, where colonial rulers were slaughtering 15 million black people. The best he could find was one that, even the study's author said, did "not at all" indicate that intelligence is inherited. The author himself pointed to poorer schooling for black students and difficulty with English as a second language as reasons for the subjects' poor performances.
The Bell Curve's main authority for its accusation that black people are intellectually inferior to whites is the notorious racist Arthur Jensen. The Pioneer Fund paid him, too -- a whopping $1.1 million in grants. For 22 years, Jensen collaborated with the even more vicious racist William Shockley, also a Pioneer Fund beneficiary. With the outrageously fascist Roger Pearson, Jensen recently produced a volume of Shockley's collected ravings. He continues to promote Shockley's Nazi proposal to pay women with low IQ scores to be sterilized.
For an overview on "race and intelligence," Murray and Herrnstein recommend two books by three Pioneer Fund recipients: Audrey Shuey, Frank C. J. McGurk, and R. Travis Osborne. Arch-racists in the South introduced Shuey's book in court during the 1960s to argue for continuing school segregation and denying the vote to black people. University of Georgia professor Osborne also testified in court against school integration. In 1959 McGurk and Shuey became leading members of the International Association for the Advancement of Ethnology and Eugenics, publisher of Mankind Quarterly.
A Newsweek review of The Bell Curve (Oct. 24, 1994) called its scholarship "overwhelmingly mainstream." If that's true, it only serves to prove that fascism is now the mainstream for the U.S. ruling class.
Mankind Quarterly: The Fascist Connection
Seventeen authors cited in The Bell Curve are Mankind Quarterly (MQ) contributors. Ten are former or present editors or members of its editorial advisory board. MQ's avowed purpose is to counter "Communist" and "egalitarian" influences in anthropology. From its start in 1960, its founders and funders pushed the myth that white people were genetically superior. They are a Who's Who of fascist "intellectuals.
"Robert Gayre, the founder of MQ and its editor-in-chief until 1978. He championed South African apartheid and belonged to the ultra-right Candour League of white-ruled Rhodesia. In 1968 he testified in court that black people as a group are "worthless."
Henry Garrett of Columbia University wrote pamphlets for the viciously racist White Citizens Councils.
Corrado Gini, the leader of fascist Italy's eugenics movement, authored a defense of Mussolini entitled The Scientific Basis of Fascism (1927).
Ottmar von Verschner, a leading Nazi race-scientist, was an academic mentor of the infamous concentration camp butcher Joseph Mengele.
Roger Pearson has edited MQ since 1978. In 1958 this British anthropologist established the Northern League, dedicated to "the interests, friendships and solidarity of all Teutonic nations." He came to the U.S. in 1965 as an editor for the pro-KKK Liberty Lobby. Ten years later Pearson received $60,000 from the Pioneer Fund and formed a U.S. chapter of the fascist World Anti-Communist League. Two U.S. senators gave keynote speeches at the league's 1978 convention -- and Ronald Reagan heaped praise on it.
Just how fascist is Pearson? Too fascist even for the World Anti-Communist League! It made him resign in 1980 for hobnobbing publicly with open Nazis. But the Pioneer Fund still bankrolls Pearson's Institute for the Study of Man, which now publishes MQ.
Murray and Herrnstein refer to MQ articles and authors as if they were respectable scholars; but this is not some innocent intellectual viewpoint. It's a total agreement with a racist, fascist outlook!
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:29:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: The Japanese Magazine Case
From: Robert Skloot <SKLOOT@macc.wisc.edu>
Concerning the issue of Japanese antisemitism, I would call to the attention
of my List Colleagues the publication of _Jews in the Japanese Mind_ by
David
Goodman and Masanori Miyazawa (Free Press). The book was very positively
reviewed in last Sunday's New York Times Book Review, and featured in the
"Nota
Bene" column in the 10 February 1995 _Chronicle of Higher Education_. The
book's
subtitle is: The History and Uses of a Cultural Stereotype.
Bob Skloot, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison.
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:29:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: SS ring
From: GP_DESYON@ACAD.FANDM.EDU
There is a book entitled "SS Kult- und Terrorstaette" put out by the museum
at
Wewelsburg, where Himmler intended to establish his "spiritual"
headquarters.
It contains images and photographs of SS trinkets and ephemera which may
help
you identify the ring more closely. Let me however, echo Mr. Marcuse's
caution. Nazi memorabilia has been forged left and right. Some of the more
original
stuff is sometimes sold in Austria, where enforcement of the laws aginst
disply of such item is not as strictly enforced as in Germany or France. In
the
latter two, the very law meant to protect against illegal traffic is also
what allows
the spread of forgeries, as experts may decline to be consulted on the value
of such items, without prior authorization from the state.
Guillaume de Syon
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:29:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust Memorial Service
From: JUBRENMAN@JTSA.EDU
My sixth graders will be doing a memorial service in honor of Holocaust victims. The service will be in April. Does anyone know of services already written that they would recommend? Julie
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 10:48:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Center for Holocaust, Genocide & Peace Studies
From: Viktoria Hertling <hertling@scs.unr.edu>
The University of Nevada, Reno, has established a Center for Holocaust, Genocide & Peace Studies. Its mission statement includes:
The early 1990s witnessed an increase in genocidal attacks and a global escalation of intolerance and violence. The mass killings and assaults on humanity in Rwanda, Bosnia and elsewhere are terrifying reminders of the extermination of European Jewry, Gypsies, prisoners of war, religious and political opponents, and homosexuals in mid-twentieth century Europe.
Questions about the origins and meaning of the Holocaust are often raised. The Holocaust should not be viewed as an unsurpassed and unique apex of brutality. Rather, it should serve as a warning to all nations. The anti-human and genocidal policies announced and then implemented by the Nazis were made possible by a well-functioning bureaucracy using modern industrial methods. These included sophisticated psychological and marketing techniques which built upon deep-seated fears and hatreds. To deny or minimize the brutality, violence, and viciousness of the Holocaust is to risk tacit approval of contemporary ideologies which advocate hatred for reasons of race, gender, creed, ethnicity, nationality, or sexual orientation. The Center addresses such questions surrounding the Holocaust by promoting its examination as both historical event and human experience, drawing upon insights from many disciplines: economics, sociology, history, psychology, philosophy, politics, literature, the arts, and others.
Genocide means an organized effort to eliminate a human group or to destroy its identity. It can be carried out by such means as mass killings or ethnic cleansings, campaigns of starvation and humiliation, or even sterilization. The United Nations adopted a Genocide Convention on December 9, 1948, as a result of the atrocities of World War II. The Center addresses other instances of genocide, explores ways to prevent genocide, and focuses on early warning signs, such as hate crimes.
The Center promotes analysis of the causes of the Holocaust and other episodes of genocide in modern society. It seeks to learn from the past in order to find solutions to these complex issues. Moreover, it focuses on developing strategies for a more peaceful future. The Center also seeks to impart to students, faculty, and the public the importance of awareness and critical thinking. It fosters a humanistic climate that promotes conflict resolution, tolerance, interventions, and the formulation of ethical theories of human relationships. It encourages concerned individuals to consider themselves as emissaries for peace and to speak out against all expressions of hateful extremism in their communities and elsewhere.
The Center will promote research and provide community outreach to our schools. It will also serve as a resource center, archive, and speakers' bureau for the university community and the wider public. All lectures, workshops, panel discussions and exhibits will be open to the public.
For more information, please contact: Dr. Viktoria Hertling, Director, Center for Holocaust, Genocide & Peace Studies, Mail Stop 100, College of Arts and Science, University of Nevada, Reno, Reno NV 89557-0034. Tel.: 702-784-6767 Fax: 702-323-7708
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:13:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Electronic Holocaust Resource Project
From: FISHMAN%SNYFARVA@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
From: Ken McVay <kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Antisemites & Holocaust Denial In-reply-to: <m0rby8z-000IRcC@port.island.net>; from "Hank.Greenspan@um.cc.umich.edu" at Feb 7, 95 11:42 am Sender: History of Antisemitism List <H-ANTIS@UICVM.BITNET>
You wrote:
| From: Hank.Greenspan@um.cc.umich.edu | Subject: Antisemites & Holocaust Denial | Re: Charles Fishman's recent post of someone else's reflection | (I couldn't tell whose) on denial-- | Absolutely! The assertion of the the "Jewish conspiracy"--in all
| its global manifestations--is intrinsic to the deniers' arguments. | It may be of interest to the writer that Lipstadt comments on the | "conspiracy-thinking" of several of the major deniers in her book. | In a recent paper of mine, along this line, I have argued that | the most direct answer to the deniers (if one were to answer them | at all) is not that the Holocaust is real; it's that the _Protocols_ | is not.
Hank's comment about his paper reminded me of why I'm here :-)
I would very much appreciate receiving archival copies of any such academic papers, so that I might include them in my collection.
The fifth research guide (FAQ) in the Holocaust Almanac series is nearing completion. It deals with denial techniques and motivations.
With the lion's share of the research behind us, we are in need of editors who can help us put it all into form for publication to the net, and, eventually, non-profit hard copy.
Anyone with time on their hands, who would like to lend their skills to a valuable project is invited to contact me directly via email. Believe me, we need all the help we can get to put this one to bed, and assistance will be greatly appreciated.
This will, in all likelihood, become the largest FAQ ever published to the net, and, with respect to Holocaust denial, perhaps the most significant.
--
The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Resource (For full file listing, send INDEX to listserv@oneb.almanac.bc.ca)
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Vancouver Island, British Columbia, CANADA
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:23:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Was SS-Hauptscharfuehrer Moll Ever Captured?
From: Danny Keren <dzk@cs.brown.edu>
Moll is mentioned in numerous testimonies as one the cruelest SS men in Auschwitz. He participated in the gassings in the "bunkers" and later in Kremas IV and V. It also seems he participated in the gassings at Ravensbruk (unless it's a different person with the same name).
Was he ever captured and tried?
-Danny Keren.
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:28:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Zimbardo's study of roles in authority
From: "Dan Leeson: LEESON@admin.fhda.edu" <leeson@aspen.fhda.edu>
I always was interested in reading some layman-approachable view of Zimbardo's study, so after seeing your note, I tried to do a little research on Zimbardo to see if something was available for the non-Sociologist. I drew a big fat zero.
Can you recommend a journal that would have an article on Zimbardo's work so that, when I speak of it, I can do so with something approaching a little more than the most superficial knowledge?
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:28:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Frankl's _Man's Search For Meaning_
From: Hank.Greenspan@um.cc.umich.edu
A brief methodological response to the issue of "hierarchizing" survivor testimony that Richard and others have raised--
In my own interviews with survivors, I have certainly heard people say things that sounded like Frankl--assertions of their capacity to psychologically stand back, reframe the reality, retreat to some impregnable inner fortress. A few people have even referred to Frankl as describing the same idea. What is interesting, though, is that such assertions almost always come early in an interview and are almost invariably contradicted by what comes later. Eventually, the interviewee gives voice to experiences in which there was no fortress at all and absolutely no capacity to construct reality differently from the all-pervasive assault that it was.
One of the great advantages of oral testimony--and doing your own interviewing (and interviewing the same person more than once)-- is that it is then possible to raise such seeming contradictions. What emerges from this is usually a fascinating, far more multi-faceted description of the experience--moments when, if one was priveleged and lucky, one could "get distance"; many moments when one could not; and all sorts of complex oscillations between. In my experience, most survivors are more than grateful for the opportunity thus provided to amend and deepen their original formulations. Far from feeling "invalidated," they are enthused about, and appreciative of, the chance to reflect on their experience in a sustained, complex, and serious way.
It would be presumptuous to assume what such a series of interviews with Victor Frankl would have yielded. But extrapolation from other relevant instances can at least be used, it seems to me, to suggest there _might_ have been a "more to the story" that emerged.
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:43:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: SS ring
From: "Froma I. Zeitlin" <FIZ%PUCC@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
Argentina is another hotbed of counterfeit Nazi memorabilia. They even sell Hitler's ring!! I wouldn't have high hopes for the specimen in question.
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:58:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Music from the Holocaust
From: Stephen Feinstein <feins001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
For interesting material see:
Mikos Theodorakis, THE MAUTHAUSEN BALLAD. ON RECORD OR DISC.
Various classic recordings from Terezin artists on CD--a well stocked
store probably has works of Klein and Ullman.
Several LPs done in Israel of songs in Yiddish including songs of the
partisans and lullabyes. One is by Chava Alberstein. For list, write
museum shop at Kibbutz Lochmei Hagaedaot, Israel. Mayve Yad VaShem has
these as well.
Stephen Feinstein
On Wed, 8 Feb 1995 JUBRENMAN%JTSA.EDU@vm1.spcs.umn.edu wrote:
> I heard that the U.S. Holocaust Museum has a recording of
> lullabyes sung by mothers during the Holocaust. Is this true? I'm looking
> for background music that would be appropriate for a Holocaust memorial
> service. Any suggestions? Julie
>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:58:00 CST
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:58:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Survivors and Sarajevo
From: Nadel Stanley <stn627f@nic.smsu.edu>
An item which might interest anyone who studies the holocaust.
Stan Nadel
History Dept.
Southwest Missouri State U.
Subject: LA Times: Survivors of WWII & Auschwitz in Sarajevo
"... This is not a Holocaust, but it is genocide, and that is terrible enough" - Sarajevan, Holocaust survivor
"It's the Balkans," British Defense Minister Malcolm Rifkind
SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina--2/06/95
WWII HELL RELIVED: Few survivors of the last war think they will
escape again. Inaction has stolen hope that
helped sustain them before.
By CAROL J. WILLIAMS, Times Staff Writer
Even when she was just a number and a daily allotment of 3 1/2
ounces of bread, Greta Ferusic had something at the notorious
Auschwitz death camp that is painfully lacking in her life today.
Half a century ago, shorn of her hair, name and dignity and
destined for the ovens that had consumed her parents, the emaciated
20-year-old nurtured her frail body and imperiled soul on the
precious
stuff of survival called hope.
"We knew the Americans would come one day, that they would win
in the end," the Holocaust survivor recalls of the last days of the
last war, the fierce determination that propelled her through the
earlier hell still burning in her hazel eyes. "We didn't know how
long
it would be, but we knew liberation would come. Now, we don't know
anything."
In one of the more bitter ironies of a life already stunted by
horror and humiliation, Ferusic, now 70, plods through fresh
indignities each day in what fellow Jews and Sarajevans describe as
the world's biggest concentration camp.
They freeze through this third winter of siege because the gunmen
surrounding them siphon off their natural gas supply, block shipments
of firewood and cut electricity relay lines.
They go hungry even when humanitarian deliveries manage to
overcome the harassment and obstacles routinely placed in their path,
because deprivation has spawned corruption, allowing most of the aid
to be hijacked for the army or sold for extortionate amounts of hard
currency that few Sarajevans have.
They are idle because there is no work in a capital cordoned off
from the rest of the country and all but forgotten by the rest of the
world.
Lives like Ferusic's--which, until three years ago, were enriched
by diversity, culture and international travel--have deteriorated
into
daily struggles to gather enough food, fuel and water to survive.
"I don't write to my son anymore. What would I tell him? That we
have water today? That we are promised electricity tomorrow? These
are the themes of our lives now," Ferusic, a retired architectural
professor, says mockingly of her new world, the one no longer
connected to her son and grandsons living in Spain. "Once again, we
have been diminished."
Jakob Finci, head of the Sarajevo Jewish community that has been
whittled by death and exodus from more than 1,200 before the current
war to fewer than 600 people, was born in 1943 in a concentration
camp on the Adriatic island of Rab, 10 days after its liberation from
Italian Fascists.
His parents returned to Sarajevo, raising their son in the peace
and prosperity that were a velvet glove over the iron-fisted rule of
Marshal Josip Broz Tito, the wartime partisan who made the former
Yugoslav federation the envy of the Communist world for four
decades.
"I'm lucky that they died before this war," Finci says. "It would
have been impossible for them to survive. More than 50 members of
our family perished in the last war. They would not have been able to
bear seeing such things happen again."
In a voice becalmed by resignation, Finci says that Western
democracies missed their chance to promote a genuine new world order
after the collapse of communism and that the outside world bungled
the
breakup of the former Yugoslav republics and left Bosnia-Herzegovina
on its collision course with annihilation.
He blames Western Europe for lacking the courage to punish
aggressive nationalism before it spread through the Balkans like a
virus. He accuses Washington of criminal negligence in refusing to
raise a higher moral voice.
"In 1941, the world was silent about the Holocaust, but
eventually
everyone realized evil has to be fought," Finci recalls. "We Jews
don't have the right to be silent when the Muslims are in trouble.
This is not a Holocaust, but it is genocide, and that is terrible
enough."
Finci fears that Serbian extremists have been left to kill, rape
and plunder with impunity because major Western powers have decided
this bloodletting poses no risk to their own security.
And politicians at the highest levels have suggested that there
is
nothing that can be done to ease Sarajevans' suffering, leaving war
victims feeling betrayed by the democratic powers they once envied
and
respected.
"It's the Balkans," British Defense Minister Malcolm Rifkind said
in explaining the hopelessness of the crisis during a recent
gathering
of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. "We don't want another
Vietnam," U.S. Defense Secretary William J. Perry concurred a few
weeks later.
Sarajevans fear that the savagery of the conflict has bestowed
validity on a Western belief--some call it a prejudice--that nothing
can be done for Bosnia because it is part of a region prone to
violence, that people here are born with some irrepressible
compulsion
to fight.
Those who are old enough to recall the roots of the last war and
savvy about the politically inspired causes of today's violence
dispute that judgment with all the emotion they can summon in this
bleak hour.
"Those are just excuses by people who don't want to do
anything," says Dragica Cica, an 85-year-old Serb whose memory spans
both world wars and the days when Bosnia sat astride the borders of
the Ottoman Turkish and Austro-Hungarian empires.
Spry and good-humored, despite the siege by ethnic brethren that
has kept her housebound, Cica jokes that she never had the urge to
travel because other countries always came to her.
She judges her life as a pleasant one, wars and hardships aside,
and laughs at memories of suffering that pale beside today's
conflict.
"I was just a girl during the First World War. I only remember
there was hardly ever any sugar," she says, confessing she once hid
a small sackful inside an old clothes hamper as her private stock.
World War II was spent caring for her only son, helping six
brothers and sisters tend a small farm to make ends meet and
steering clear of the German occupiers who ruled this city.
"This war is the worst, because it is our own people shooting at
us," Cica concludes, her smile suddenly fading. "Before, we were
attacked by someone. But this war should never have happened."
Like many Bosnians who lived through the last war, Cica clings
defiantly to the belief that the people of the Balkans will learn
again how to live together, that the absence of alternatives will
compel today's sworn enemies to resume being neighbors, even friends.
"The fascists used to bury people alive in caverns. We could hear
them crying for water as they died," the old woman says of the World
War II killing of Serbs by Nazis and their Croatian collaborators.
"We
got over that and built a good life together in Yugoslavia. What is
to
say we couldn't do it again?"
Of greater concern to Cica and other elderly Sarajevans is the
abysmal lack of hope of escaping the vicious circle of aggression and
retaliation.
"No one knows how this war will end. It may go on forever if the
civilized world doesn't stop it," warns Hasan Ferhatbegovic, a
70-year-old retired barber who lives in a hillside bungalow so cold
that its corners are laced with ice. "The only thing I'm sure of is
that I won't be alive when it's over."
World War II survivors almost unanimously agree that conditions
for civilians this time are far worse, with the obvious exception of
the horrors endured by deported Jews.
But the randomness of the violence and the fact that it comes
from within inflict the most pain on those who survived the last war
and rebuilt their lives with the conviction that nothing as horrible
as fascist terror would confront them again.
"If you talk to old people like me who have been through two or
three wars here, you will not find one person who wanted this to
happen," says Dervis Hamzic, an 84-year-old retired maintenance
worker
who spent all four years of World War II in Tito's army fighting for
liberation. "There is a sickness afflicting some people here, and to
get rid of sickness you must have medicine. But no one is willing
to help us with this."
What Sarajevans see as Western indifference to, even betrayal of,
their commitment to a multiethnic society has undermined that spirit
of tolerance and robbed survivors of their last shreds of hope.
"I'm embarrassed when I hear that a neighbor who lived here with
me for years left to go to the other side, that he is now fighting
against this place where he used to get his pension, where he left
his
kids. That's what hurts me," Hamzic says dejectedly, ticking off the
names of Bosnian Serb residents of his apartment house who have
given up and left.
Life for those who lack the option of taking refuge with the
smugly victorious "other side" is consumed by the quest for food and
belittled by the indignity of dependence. Despite years of relying on
the international community to feed them, once-prosperous Sarajevans
still feel shame in accepting charity.
"My wife made rice for lunch today, and tonight we will each have
a piece of bread. Today is taken care of, but what will we eat
tomorrow?" Hamzic asks.
Across this city, and in the other besieged pockets of Bosnian
society less visible to the outside world, tales of humiliated and
dispirited elderly abound.
"I always thought I would have a beautiful end to my life," says
a
wistful Ferusic, the Holocaust survivor, gripping her cardigan a
little closer around her spare frame. "I worked hard, so I had a good
pension. We have this well-appointed apartment and a summer house at
the sea."
But war has razed Bosnia's economy as well as much of its
housing and industry, reducing her retirement income to virtually
worthless coupons good only for a daily loaf of bread.
The house at the sea, like the world she once traveled,lies on
the wrong side of Bosnia's 1,000-mile front line.
Even much of her spacious Sarajevo apartment has been lost. With
only a tiny gas burner to battle the subzero temperatures of winter,
Ferusic and her husband have corralled their lives into the
apartment's two smallest rooms.
Ferusic says she has come to see the Holocaust as a depraved
chapter of human history that exposed her to unbearable suffering
"because it was my private misfortune to be a Jew."
She grew up in Novi Sad, in the Serbian province of Vojvodina,
which Hungarians occupied in World War II. In 1944, the Jews of
Vojvodina were rounded up and deported--many, like Ferusic, directly
to Auschwitz.
But by then, the rest of the world had learned of the Nazi
extermination plans and reacted with horror, and even the condemned
could draw sustenance from the knowledge that the human spirit was
on their side.
"This is the third year [of war], and we don't see anyone with
us, and we don't know what the world will do," Ferusic says,
disbelieving. "Never in my life did I live like this."
Worldly-wise intellectuals like Ferusic, retired laborers like
Hamzic and urbanized peasants like Cica share the same sense of
injury
and outrage that the democratic world has tuned out their plight.
They
say that they have lost hope, that only the naive still look westward
for moral support, let alone rescue.
They speak with one voice in disparaging the current cease-fire
as
nothing more than a wintertime furlough for the warring factions to
rest and reload.
They hold the same bleak expectation of dying before this war is
over, of never again seeing the children and grandchildren who
escaped Bosnia's conflagration when they could.
And they debate with themselves whether the world has a
collective
conscience, and if so, how many more lives will be extinguished in
the
Balkans before the illness of ethnic extremism is remedied with
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 13:03:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Help for Eighth-Grader on Mengele
From: "Robert T. Moore" <RTMOORE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU>
Hello, Katy and others!
I thoroughly agree the sentiments below.
> Obviously, we all cheer when we hear of efforts by those in far-flung
places
> around the country trying to bring some light into the subject, so
whatever
> help anyone can provide will benefit us all.
> Denise Gluck
> Joint Distribution Committee
It would be most difficult to find someone who knew Dr. Mengele personally outside of the environment in which he made his reputation.
For what it is worth, his son lives in Freiburg im Breisgau, Germany and is a lawyer there. Also the family of Josef Mengele still lives in Ginsberg, Germany, and I would think that any letter mailed to there would be forwarded to the Mengele family.
Hope this helps.
Terry
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 14:03:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: The mind of the Holocaust deniers
From: dyrud@luther.csp.edu
In an interesting message, Charles Fishman tried to analyze the mind of
the
Holocaust denier. It is no use Prof. Fishman. Your mind just does not work
the way their mind (singular) works. I have also puzzled over that mindset
for years.
The mindset of a Holocaust denier is much more like the mindset of a wife
beater who denies that he beats his wife--"she is mentally ill and imagines
the beatings." You see, the cruelty of the deed can be multiplied by
denying
the perceptions of those who suffered. 30 years ago, the Whites of South
Africa published arguments suggesting that the Whites were actually taking
as
good care of the Blacks as they could, and if there were problems, it was
the
Blacks that caused them.
The only way you will be able to analyze that mindset is by analyzing the
writings of the articulate and inarticulate Holocaust deniers, and by
interviewing them. Then you will have the raw data that may answer your
(and
my) question. Such analysis will not be straight forward, because you will
also have to determine how much of what they say, they actually believe.
But
you have to start with the assumption that you don't have any idea how their
mind (singular) works. Execpt that you can be reasonably certain that it
does
not work like our minds. It would also be very useful to examine their
behavior in normal situations, and their analyses concerning
non-controversial
events.
Keith P. Dyrud
Concordia College, St. Paul
stthomas.edu
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 14:28:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Questionaire on Experiments Conducted in Germany in the 1940s
From: "Robert T. Moore" <RTMOORE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU>
Hello, Sean!
Will give you my two cents' worth.
> 1). Should we in 1995, as moral and responsible citizens use the > information that was collected though these experiments as a way to > supplement what we already know, or to create new hypotheses in Science?
Why not, if it is of benefit to affected groups who would directly benefit from such research work. This is from a practical standpoint, and to replicate the results would entail the lengthy research work that had already been completed earlier.
> 2). If we use the information collected by the German scientists in
the
> 1940's, are we condoning or legitamatizing their actions?
Not really. That would depend on the point of view of course, and the context in which you view it.
> 3). If we utilize this information, is this a way of producing
something
> to benefit all of humanity? (In respect to the ongoing search for knowlege
> in
> Science.)
If it transpires as such, yes.
>
> 4). Is it possible for us to use this information, and feel morally
> correct in using it, given the circumstances and methods in which it was
> aquired or collected?
I think so. The only thing that is reprehensible is that the subjects used to further research in these areas were unwilling to begin with and not fully informed of the nature of the research or told what would happen to them during or after those experiments.
> I would appreciate any comments or opinions that anyone has regarding any,
> or
> all of the questions above.
Hope this helps.
Terry
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 15:30:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Internet Decorum
Today II received a message from one Holocaus member who correctly pointed out to me that while disagreements may arise on the Internet, often heated ones, they should stay on a rational plane and not resort to name calling and personal attacks on one another. As you well know from your own personal lives and from seeing the discussions take place on this list that the Holocaust is an extremely emotional topic, one which can cause peope to easily loose their tempers when faced with positions they disagree with. These messages are commonly known on the internet as "flames".
As the moderator of this list, I probably post more of these than I should. Afterall, a little heated discussion is healthy I think. However, I do ask that people discuss the issues rationally and politely and with respect for the other subscribers. If anyone feels the need to attack another subscriber, while I don't encourage such activity, I ask you to do so via private email.
Jim Mott
Holocaus Moderator
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 10:33:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Yehuda Elkana
From: Barry C Trachtenberg <barry.trachtenberg@st-cross.oxford.ac.uk>
Does anyone know where I can get a full English translation of Yehuda Elkana's essay "The Need to Forget"? (I don't know the original Hebrew title.)
Thanks,
barry.trachtenberg@st-cross.oxford.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 10:38:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Was SS-Hauptscharfuehrer Moll Ever Captured?
From: Eric Epstein <eepstein@igc.apc.org>
Danny:
Otto Mull also designed the pits at Auschwitz that collected the fat
draining off of burning corpses. If my memory serves me, he was executed
after
the war.
Eric Epstein, PSU-Hbg
eepstein@igc.apc.org
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:27:21 CST
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From: Franklin Littell <FHL@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Holocaust Survey...North Dakota
In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:59:53 CST from
<DAVID_MEIER@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU>
Herr Kollege! John Conway tells me you have an excellent bibliography of the German Church Struggle. I would like to have a copy. Please send with bill. - FHL
F. H. Littell
POB 172
Merion Station PA 19066-0172
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:29:22 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: MR JAMES E SANDERS <RUTA59A@prodigy.com> Subject: Holocaust Information
Dear Sirs:
My son is beginning to work on his senior research paper, and has chosen to write about some ascpect of the holocaust. We suggested that he begin the peper with some anti-semitic statement to the effect that the holocaust never happened, then use individual experiences to refute that claim. In March, he will be able to go to the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., and would like to use the next few weeks researching things so that he will have a greater understanding of what happened and can better appreciate the museum and what it has to offer.
Since we are new to Internet and the resources available, could you please let us know what you could do, if anhtning, to assist him with his project. Any help that you may be able to offer would be appreciated.
Thank you for your kind attention.
James Sanders
Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:30:56 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "David A. Meier" <DAVID_MEIER@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU> Subject: Survey Results...North Dakota
Regarding: Survey Results...North Dakota
Of those surveyed, I only received a small number of answers to the final question. But here they are....... Here are the answers I received from the question: All Jews are _________,__________, and _________.
ALL JEWS ARE :
More concerned about Israel than the U.S.
Created Equal
Have individual faults
Human Beings
Human
People
Proud of their heritage
No opinion
Don't know any Jews
Trying to better their culture
Self-serving
Selfish and don't care if anyone else prospers
Equal to others
People, and should be treated as people
People, just like the rest of us, and should be acknowledged as
such
Human Beings, made in God's image
Worthy of our care
No better or worse than me - all men are created equal
The Same
No different than you or I
Men and women
People, just like anyone else
I really don't know any!
People, like all other races, therefore should be treated
accordingly
Just like anyone else
Equals
>From Israel
Good people, and they did go through a lot of horrible events
during the war, and the ones who did survive became stronger
people for it.
Interesting
Worthy
Sorry, I can't generalize like this about any group of people. I
think you need to rephrase some of these statements - most of
them are patently ridiculous!
Jewish - There are no other stereotypes which apply. Many of my
friends are Jewish and they don't fit into any of the above
stereotypes!
Hardworking
Of a particular religion
Not celebrators of Easter
Regular people
Equal
Controversial
Exciting
Closely connected with families
More family orientated
Like any other people, some are good, and some are bad.
Good to deal with
Bussinesslike
Smart
Good Bankers
No better or worse than any other group of people and that's
that!
In this country, free to do what they want!
Proud of what they believe in, and they should be!
Not alike
Similar to all others and are diferent only in their religious
views.
Its unfair to group all Jews into one
Living, breathing, human beings
Jewish
Businessmen
Wise
Tight
Wearing little hats
Brothers and Sisters
Non-Christian, believing that the Messiah has not come yet, and
following the Old Testament
Some are good and honest, some are bad and dishonest
Fools, and want things their way
Ethnically diverse
Religiously diverse
Socioculturally diverse
Solemn
Discriminated against
Injustly stereotyped
Descendents of the Hebrew people
Ruling
Powerful
Sticky
Not the same
Put into their own category and treated unfairly
Dark haired
Very religious
Named Anne Frank
Mostly Hebrew
People who practice the Jewish religion
Rat-like
Condemned to Hell
Responsible for many quirks in society today
Wealthy
Freaky
Snobbish
Freaks
Conceited
Pansies
Greedy
Stinky
Rude
The Spawn of the Devil
No comment!
Self-centered
Lacking respect for others
Not overly concerned for the good of the U.S.
Misinterpreted
Talented, but underappreciated
Loyal
Hardworking
Rich
Normal
Not normal
Democrats
Clannish, and tend to stick together
Stuck on themselves
Big-nosed
Different
Ignorant
Of the Jewish race
Only considerate of their own type
Looking for an excuse because their past has been controversial
Just like any other American
Disliked by Catholics
Competent Americans
Not shady people
Not so shrewd
Basically no different
Like everyone else
Trying to take your money and possesions
Independent
Well-known
Hardworking
Unique
Motivated to succeed because of past history and the Holocaust
Good Fair
Caring
As American as anyone else, and today, American means freedom.
Frugal
Discriminating in business
The Chosen people of God even though they have strayed and will
always remain under God's plan and protection until Christ's
return.
As different from each other as the rest of us
Admirable for their obedience to their religious beliefs
Don't know
Hurt
Sad
Used to hardships
Persistent
Hippocrits
Crooked
Scheming
Outsiders and should stay in their own country,Israel.
Thought of as lesser than Americans
A strong nation
Wearing funny caps
Smooth
Weird
Cool
Nice
Funny-looking
Clannish
Looking out for themselves
Well known
Dumb
Look alike
In need of loving too
Brown-haired
Set in their ways
Dealing with a history full of sorrow
Minorities fighting for their own rights
Dominant mothers
Cunning
Very close with the dollar
Law abiding
Educated
Careful with their finances
Wearing long, black coats
Long-bearded
Deserving of a fair chance
Likeable
Different in their own way
The same as far as behavior goes as any other human being.
A cross section of human civilization.
Kikes(?)
Considered bad because of a unique culture but they are just
practicing what they have been taught.
A very different breed
N/A, I'm not comfortable generalizing about any group.
NOT to be catorized as Jew
Crooks
Liars
Jerks
People who have suffered a misfortunate past, but are still a
part of society.
Energetic
Willing to serve their country
Faithful to history
Driven
Were treated like animals
Foreign
Misunderstood
Judged
Placing emphasis on education
Deserving of their rights
An unforgettable legacy
Victims
Survivors
Human Beings - when blood is shed it is red in color, regardless
of white, red, black or yellow skin.
Supportive of one another
Assimulated(?)
The ancestral history and spiritual beginning of Christianity and
Western History cannot be complete without the Jews. Indeed,
Middle Eastern History also could not be complete.
Possessing excellent business acumen, the average non-Jew is
jealous
Manipulative
The butt of many jokes
Politically active
Tightly knit together
Regular people, and so am I!
Equal, not better or worse
Have a good sense of humor
Individuals with strengths and weaknesses
Knowledgeable
Just as American as the Catholics
Cohesive
Caring
Compassionate
Well-rounded
Able to face problems and come out ahead
Striving for success both inwardly and economically
Dark complected
Created by God
Descendents of Abraham
Widely distributed throughout the world
Equal in society
A part of America
Respectful
Very tight with their money, that is why they are rich
What kind of closed-minded, ignorant idiot do you think I am?
A misunderstood part of our society, whether it be because of
ignorance or simply lack of interest
Fine people
White
Anti-Nazi
Anti-Fun
Pro-Self
Hateful towards my great grandfather Adolf and great grandmother
Eva
No comment, I've had bad experiences with Jews
Self-absorbed
Pushy
Over opinionated
Fat
Talk funny
Have the Star of David
Pretty
Arrogant
Selfish little bitches
Good people
Don't get me started!
Greedy, should go back to their own land
Some are good entertainers
Descendants of Jacob of 12 Tribes
Separatist
Just like us
Something I know nothing about
Flagrant
I know the boys have a ceremony when they are cicumcized
An amazingly cohesive culture
Short
Not deserving of all the suffering they have received
Have an interesting background
Have different eating habits
Essentially separate from other Americans
Wearing skull caps
Bossy
Clean cut
This survey forces discrimination
God's chosen people, and the people he chose to bring us the gift
of salvation, and they are the apple of God's eye.
Brave
Part of God's family
Overbearing
Devious
Rather well mannered when it comes to society
Compassionate toward the persecuted
Fighters
Controlling the big money in this country
Not clean
For themselves
Better off staying in Israel
People who went through a lot of hell
In need of Jesus
First, I crossed out the word "all" in the above sentence.
That's just like saying all women are illogical and incompetent,
or that all men are insensitive, macho, wifebeaters. Although
the Jews may have a few characteristics that are representative
of them as an ethnic people, it is certainly irresponsible at
best and prejudiced at worst to classify ALL Jews a certain way.
Wonderful people with a strong sense of tradition and history. I
am one.
Watching the buck
Goal-orientated
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:32:16 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: HIUSERS <HIPIER@ruby.indstate.edu> Subject: gun control
Dear Colleagues: In the local newspaper (Terre Haute [IN] TribuneStar) yesterday was a letter to the editor from some local gun-toter entitled "Gun control helped Holocaust occur." I was thoroughly outraged by this and immediately fired off a reply for publication.
In the letter was a Hitler quote which I cannot validate, and I would appreciate if any of you who are well-informed on the Fuehrer's statements could tell me if he actually said this. I remeber well the spurious quote of 1932 ("violence in the streets, etc.") that was so widely cited a quarter center ago.
In 1938, Adolf Hitler said, "This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."
If you can document it, let me know. If it is a fake, I intend to spread the word around here. Many thanks,
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:33:22 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Robert T. Moore" <RTMOORE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU> Organization: Amarillo College PCAD-ML Subject: Re: Info on Nazi memorabilia (silver SS ring)
Hello, Sarah!
Think I can help you. Mr. Bill Huber in San Antonio can give you more specific info on values and situations in which this ring was awarded.
> A student brought a ring to me to help him identify it. I know nothing > about Nazi memorabilia and am asking for help. The ring is a silver > man's ring with a raised skull.
Yes, this is the SS Honor Ring given to those officers who graduated from SS officer training schools primarily. Later on, it was awarded to men of lower ranking who had distinguished themselves at that the front. This ring was property of the State, and upon the wearer's death or demise, the ring was returned to the State, not to the relatives of the wearer. The repository for these returned rings was Wevelsburg Castle located about 5 miles from Paderborn in Northwest Germany.
Around the band are markings that have > become worn but clearly to be seen is the Nazi swastika. On the inside > of the band are three block letters that are unreadable. But in script > is the name H. Himmler. Was such a ring standard issue to members of the > SS?
See above. Ususally the wearer's name was inscribed on the inside of the ring as well.
Or could it actually be Himmler's ring? The
latter seems farfetched
> to me.
No. Himmler had his signature affixed to this type of ring and to the SS dagger, also awarded to officers graduating for SS officer training schools.
Someone told the student the ring was worth between $600 and > $1000 if it was standard issue and extremely valuable if Himmler's ring.
That would depend on who owned the ring. The same company that manufactured those rings during the war, still produces excellent copies that are better than the originals. The going price on these is $175.00. Depending on the wearer, a ring of that quality would go for around $350.00. My opinion of course, but Bill Huber will know and can give you a definitive answer.
> The student said he bought the ring in Germany while stationed there. > Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
Hope the above is of assistance.
All the best.
Terry
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:34:18 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Arnovitz, Benton M." <BArnovitz@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re: Rule: Re: Raoul Wallenberg
Dear Eric,
> ...according to Soviet documents Wallenberg was > "liquidated" in 1947 after he became an "unwanted > witness." According to the present head of Russian > archives, Gen. Anatoly Kryushin, Wallenberg was executed > "without sentence. Otherwise they would not have scrathed > Wallenberg's name out of prison records, and there would > have been a medical certificate, an autopsy and record of > cremation." Marton attributed Wallenberg's alleged > sitings to "legend" and "hope."
Thanks for the elucidation of Wallenberg's fate. Obviously, the death certificate which the Soviet Union produced in 1947 to substantiate their claim that Wallenberg died of a heart attack was a fiction and had no corresponding medical certificate or post mortem report.
Thank you again, Eric.
Cordially,
David
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
The position of Per Anger and others affiliated with the
Wallenberg associations is that "liquidation"
might well have referred to disposition of the
case, and not to Wallenberg personally.
BArnovitz@USHMM.org
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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:38:00 CST
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Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET>
From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: FW: Freedom of Speech & Holocaust Denial
From: FISHMAN%SNYFARVA@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
<From: Paul Gardner R313 x52854 <Paul.Gardner@Education.monash.edu.au> <To: Multiple recipients of list H-ANTIS <H-ANTIS@UICVM.BITNET>
Freedom of speech, to me, means exactly that. A holocaust denier has the right to stand on a street corner and say that he believes that only a few Jews died during World War 2, that there were no gas chambers, and all the other nauseating things they say. But freedom of speech is not synonymous with guaranteed publication. The people who own publications (commercial operators such as newspaper proprietors, or academic societies which produce journals) have a perfect right to decide on what material to include or exclude. The criteria for selection will be numerous, and will include standards of truth, quality of scholarship, likely reader interest, space limitations.
I served as the editor of an educational research journal for six years, and have had to reject numerous papers. No author ever complained to me that their freedom of speech had been inhibited.
I would therefore make the following point to college newspaper editors faced with submissions from holocaust deniers. Universities are about the pursuit of knowledge, based on sound methods of research. Holocaust deniers are not interested in research. Their minds have been made up in advance, and lies, half-truths and deliberate distortions are used to support their previously-formed "conclusions". Their goals are diametrically opposed to what universities stand for. College newspaper editors should therefore not be swayed by false appeals to freedom of speech, and simply tell deniers that their material fails the test of truth and scholarship. If deniers want to publish something, they are free to pay a printer to do it for them. But organisations committed to decent values and sound scholarship have absolutely no obligation to help them.
(Dr) Paul Gardner
Research Division, B'nai B'rith District 21 Anti-Defamation Commission
(Australia and New Zealand)
SUNY, Farmingdale * * * "If the Sun & Moon should doubt, Farmingdale, NY 11735 * They'd immediately go out." --Blake
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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:38:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: The mind of the Holocaust deniers
From: Edward Oliveira <S15200EO@umassd.edu>
I have also been attempting to understand the mind of the holocaust denier,
without much success. I joined the Internet newsgroup alt.revisionism to
learn more about there views. After reading and posting for quite some time
now I still don't understand their so called "evidence" or other views which
are based on false facts. I've given up trying to understand them.
Sometimes
it seems to me that they are suffering from a mental illness, they are
blocking out the unpleasant and horrific facts of the holocaust because they
can't
handle it.
Edward Oliveira
UMass Dartmouth
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:43:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Ruth Elias
From: JUBRENMAN@JTSA.EDU
In a recent article in NewsWeek Magazine a woman named Ruth Elias was interviewed and shared her experiences about being one of Mengele's experiments. She gave birth to a child and he wanted to see how long the child would live without food. she gave her baby morphine to put it out of its misery rather than go through with the experiment and watch her child die of starvation.
One of my sixth grade students saw the article and realized that her aunt, Sally Elias, may have been in Auschwitz with Ruth. Is there anyone out there who knows how to get in touch with Ruth Elias in Israel? Address or phone number perhaps? It would be nice to see a reunion of family members. Thank you. Julie
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:33:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Music from the Holocaust
From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org>
To: JUBRENMAN@JTSA.EDU
Subject: Music from the Holocaust
Dear Julie,
In my previous message about REMEMBER THE CHILDREN: SONGS FOR AND BY CHILDREN OF THE HOLOCAUST, I neglected to give you ordering information, in case you wanted to order the cassette from the Holocaust Museum book store; here is that information:
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
100 Raoul Wallenberg Place, SW
Washington, DC 20024-2150
--
Phone: 202-488-6146
Fax: 202-488-0438
The phone and fax numbers are directly to the book store, and the staff is happy to answer questions and take mail, phone, or fax orders. I am sorry that I forgot to give you this information in my original message.
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:38:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Medical Experiments by Dr. Mengele at Auschwitz
From: RJPrys@aol.com
Terry Moore writes:
>>I am curious as to know if Dr.
Mengele was aware of what she was doing. This is a side that is not
commonly known or shared by others dealing with Dr. Mengele. Please
don't misunderstand. I am certain that your acquaintance is
completely honest, but it disturbs me to think that anyone who worked
as a doctor in a place like Auschwitz could have found that work
valuable (perhaps the wrong word here) when so many died so
needlessly or were put in the position to suffer for no other reason
than to be Jewish or of another minority group.<<
As I recall from my conversation with Dr. Koppich, Mengele was unaware of
her
activities to save lives. In fact, she acted at great personal risk to
herself.
I can understand your concern about Dr. Koppich's work. Quite frankly, I
had
expected to hear a different response from her than the one that she gave
me;
once again, I was reminded of the extent to which survivor testimony
challenges our preconceived interpretive ideas.
On the other hand, I wasn't disturbed by what she said, nor am I disturbed
now. What she found meaningful was not any of the work that she had to do
under Mengele's supervision, but, rather, the work that she did "on the
sly,"
as it were, in which she did her best to heal tormented persons under her
care. At least that is what I understood her to mean when she and I talked,
via a translator.
I hope that this info. helps. Thanks for the message, Terry.
All best wishes,
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:38:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: FW: Music from the Holocaust
From: David Dickerson <ddickerson@igc.apc.org>
To: JUBRENMAN@JTSA.EDU
Subject: Music from the Holocaust
Dear Julie,
> I heard that the U.S. Holocaust Museum has a recording of > lullabyes sung by mothers during the Holocaust. Is this > true? I'm looking for background music that would be > appropriate for a Holocaust memorial service. Any > suggestions? Julie
The recording to which you are referring, REMEMBER THE CHILDREN: SONGS FOR AND BY CHILDREN OF THE HOLOCAUST, is an audio cassette, which is indeed available from the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Musuem book store for $10.00. It contains the following songs:
REMEMBER THE CHILDREN: SONGS FOR AND BY CHILDREN OF THE
HOLOCAUST
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
HMC 1901 (Audio Cassette)
[Motele from the Warsaw Ghetto]
[Birds Are Dreaming]
[My Little Martyr]
[Rossa]
[Yisrolik]
[Song of the Unknown Partisan]
[The Lonely Child]
[The Bread Seller]
[Sleep My Child, My Little One]
[Mariko]
11) A Yidish Kind (Shavli Ghetto)
[A Jewish Child]
12) Nit Keyn Rozhinkes, Nit Keyn Mandlen (Lodz Ghetto)
[No More Raisins, No More Almonds] 13) Dos Transport Yingl (Vilna Ghetto)
[The Transport Boy]
14) Makh Tsu Di Eygelekh (Lodz Ghetto)
[Close Your Little Eyes]
15) Shtiler, Shtiler (Vilna Ghetto)
[Quiet, Quiet]
16) Yeder Ruft Mir Zhamele (Lublin Ghetto)
[People Call Me Zhamele]
17) Her Mayn Kind Di Vintn Brumen (Oshmen Ghetto)
[Here, My Child, the Wild Wind Blowing] 18) Gib A Brokhe Tsu Dayn Kind (Bochnia Ghetto)
[Give a Blessing to Your Child]
19) Unter Di Poylishe Grininke Beymelekh (Postwar)
[Under the Little Green Trees of Poland]
I do not believe that there is a CD version of this recording, only the audio cassette.
Cordially,
David Dickerson
David Dickerson / / / ddickerson@igc.apc.org
"In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness." - Elie Wiesel
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:43:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Temporary Change of Moderators
Holocaus Subscribers:
Professor Richard Levy from University of Illinois, Chicago will be moderating Holocaus from February 11-20. Just wanted to let you know as a number of you send messsages directly to my personal email address. See you when I get back.
Jim Mott
Holocaus Moderator
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:43:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Holocaust Memorial Service
From: FISHMAN%SNYFARVA@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
Marcia Sachs Littell has edited a small collection of services intended
mainly
for interfaith Yom HaShoah memorial gatherings. I believe that you may be
able
to adapt a number of the less demanding liturgies for use by your students.
Consider, for instance, "A Yom Hashoa Reader: Class Recitation," composed by
Rabbi Harold B. Waintrup for the confirmation class of Old York Road TempleBeth
Am, Abington, Pennsylvania.
Marcia Sachs Littell,
_Liturgies on the Holocaust_ (1986)
ISBN: 0-88946-030-2 (paper).
The Edwin Mellen Press
Box 450
Lewiston, NY 14092
(716) 754-2266
SUNY, Farmingdale * * * "If the Sun & Moon should doubt, Farmingdale, NY 11735 * They'd immediately go out." --Blake
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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:58:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Holocaust Memorial Service
From: Franklin Littell <FHL%TEMPLEVM@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU>
The best collection of Yom Hashoa services to date is LITURGIES ON THE
HOLOCAUST edited by Marcia S. Littell. An expanded edition is now in
press. The first edition sold over 10,000 copies and there are but half
a dozen left, available from the Philadelphia Center on the Holocaust,
Genocide and Human Rights at $14.95 plus $2.00 handling and mailing. -FHL
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 17:03:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Zimbardo's study of roles in authority
From: John Gillies <JOHNG@psy.gla.ac.uk>
> From: "Dan Leeson: LEESON@admin.fhda.edu" <leeson@aspen.fhda.edu>
>
> I always was interested in reading some layman-approachable
> view of Zimbardo's study, so after seeing your note, I tried to
> do a little research on Zimbardo to see if something was available
> for the non-Sociologist. I drew a big fat zero.
>
> Can you recommend a journal that would have an article on Zimbardo's
> work so that, when I speak of it, I can do so with something
> approaching a little more than the most superficial knowledge?
>
>
> ====================================
> Dan Leeson, Los Altos, California
> (leeson@admin.fhda.edu)
> ====================================
You will find an account of the "Stanford Prison" experiment
(Zimbardo et al) reprinted as:
HANEY, C., BANKS, C. & ZIMBARDO, P. "A study of prisoners and guards
in a simulated prison"
in ARONSON, Elliot (ed) "Readings About The Social Animal" 6th edn
New York: W.H. Freeman & Co. 1992 Chapter 5. (ISBN 0-7167-2272-0)
The reprint gives the original reference as:
Naval Research Reviews, Sept., 1973. Department of the Navy.
Another reference I have to the study is:
HANEY, C., BANKS, C. & ZIMBARDO, P. (1973) "Interpersonal dynamics in
a simulated prison." International Journal of Criminology & Penology,
1973, vol.1, 69-97.
Hope this helps,
John Gillies
Email: johng@psy.gla.ac.uk
Department of Psychology Phone: (0)41 339 8855 ext.5351
University of Glasgow Fax: (0)41 339 8889
Glasgow G12 8RT
Scotland
From: Leo Goldberger <gberger@xp.psych.nyu.edu>
There was indeed a popular article on Zimbardo's prison study, which
appeared in The New York Times Magazine. April 8, 1973, entitled " The mind
is a formidable Jailer: A Pirandellian Prison". This article was
subsequently
reprinted in PSYCHOLOGY In TODAYS WORLD (S. Milgram, ed.). Boston:
Educational
Associates (Little, Broiwn & Co.) 1975.
L. Goldberger, NYU Psychology Dept.
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 11:07:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: SS ring
From: THOMPSON@LVC.EDU
There is a book entitled "SS Kult- und Terrorstaette" put out by the museum
Guillaume de Syon
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
F Y I: The full citation for the title above is,
Huser, Karl. Wewelsburg 1933 bis 1945: Kult- und Terrorstaette der SS:
eine Dokumentation. Paderborn [Ger.], Verlag Bonifatius-Druckerei,
1982. 471 pp. + maps (some colored).
Hope this helps.
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:01:41 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Franklin Littell <FHL@TEMPLEVM.BITNET> Subject: Re: Center for Holocaust, Genocide & Peace Studies
In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 9 Feb 1995 10:48:00 CST from <jimmott@spss.com>
Liebe Kollegin! Thank you for the splendid news of UN:R's founding of the Center for Holocaust, Genocide & Peace Studies! I have been at UN:R for teachers' seminars sponsored by the Governor's Commission on the Holocaust, and also at UN:LV under the same auspices and half a dozen times for Federation (Edythe Katz). Please give my regards also to Professor Weinberg in Political Science.
Will UN:R have someone at the 25th Anniversary Annual Scholars' Conference
at BYU March 5-8?
Cordially yours - Franklin Littell, Temple University and the Philadelphia
Center on the Holocaust, Genocide and Human Rights
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:02:29 CST Reply-To: Mark Ira Kaufman <aa824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Mark Ira Kaufman <aa824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> Subject: Re: The mind of the Holocaust deniers
There are so many odd facets of the revisionist mentality that I am not sure where to start.
The first question should be if these persons actually believe that the Holocaust never happened. Is it possible they actually believe that all of the history, the witnesses, the gas chambers, the mass graves, the tatoos, the confessions, and the six million Jews who vanished, were all faked or staged? Could these persons be dillusional enough to believe this?
But if these people realize that the Holocaust is historically genuine, what is their motive? All of them appear to be hardcore Jew-haters. And while Jew-hatred is something they all have in common, I have encountered many anti-semites who not only do not deny the historical certainty of the Holocaust, but express real admiration for the nazi effort to kill every Jew in Europe and disappointment that Hitler did not get ALL of them.
Somebody once suggested that revisionists are basically afraid of the consequences of their own hatred. They would like to be free to hate Jews, but without having to deal with where this bigotry has lead in the recent past. To work as hard as they do in such a frantic effort to dispute the reality of something as certain as the Holocaust, appears the behavior of a truly disturbed individual. But are they publicly denying the certainty of the Holocaust in an effort to simply 'tidy up' the image of anti-semitism? Or are they denying the certainty of the Holocaust to themselves as well?
What makes a Jew hater become a revisionist? Are they persons who are trying to paint a picture of anti-semitism without any of the messiness of genocide? Is it possible that these persons are so dillusional that they believe that the Holocaust was actually faked?
I doubt it.
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:03:29 CST Reply-To: silversa@bcvms.bc.edu Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Sam Silverman <SILVERSA@bcvms.bc.edu> Subject: Deniers and revisionists
Denial is a psychological mechanism used when the person can't deal with or perhaps doesn't want to deal with an unpleasant matter. This would include all the Germans who claimed they never knew what was going on. After having visited Majdanek and read numerous accounts in Yizkor books and spoken to people who were there, I find it difficult to believe that any non-hermit German did not know what was going on. First of all there was no real attempt at secrecy. Majdanek was visible to everybody. There were many German soldiers in Poland who saw what was happening, and who participated in hunting down Jews, and these all went home on leave and presumably passed on what was happening to their families. Also there was much looting by ordinary German soldiers - again these things ended up back in Germany. So I find it hard to believe that not everybody knew.
Revisionism, on the other hand, is something different. Some years ago I proposed a mechanism which I called negation, in which what has happened is accepted as real, but the significance is negated. In the positive sense this leads to commemorative buildings and such. In the sense in which Nolte and his ilk use it, it is meant to negate the significance of what Germans did by saying that everybody does it, and therefore that the Germans are no better or worse than others.
The holocaust deniers are again a different breed. I believe their purpose is primarily political. How can you gain popular sympathy for a Nazi ideology if they produced the holocaust? People recoil at what was done. Therefore it is necessary, in order to become a popular movement, to deny in pseudo-academic fashion that the Nazis indeed did what they did. They only did good things like eliminating unemployment and giving the nation back their pride (and many Germans today seem to take this tack also). So their denial has primarily a political motive.
Sam Silverman, SILVERSA@BCVMS.BC.EDU
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:05:36 CST Reply-To: leeson@admin.fhda.edu Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Dan Leeson: LEESON@admin.fhda.edu" <leeson@aspen.fhda.edu> Subject: Forward from Associated Press
The following AP story on Lithuania's refusal to bring charges against a man living in America, was forwarded to me by another party and I post it for your information.
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. officials and Jewish groups are dismayed
> by Lithuania's refusal to open a criminal case against a
> Massachusetts man accused of ordering the deaths of thousands of
> Lithuanian Jews during World War II.
> ``Lithuania is betraying the memory of tens of thousands of
> innocent victims,'' said Elan Steinberg, executive director of the
> World Jewish Congress, an umbrella group for Jewish communities in
> 80 countries.
> The decision ``reflects Lithuania's inability to confront the
> past,'' Efraim Zuroff, head of war crimes investigations for the
> Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies, said in a telephone
> interview from Jerusalem.
> An administration official confirmed Thursday that U.S.
> officials were recently advised of the decision by prosecutor
> Vidmantas Vaicekauskas in Vilnius, capital of the Baltic country.
> Last September, the Justice Department sued to strip U.S.
> citizenship from Aleksandras Lileikis, 87, of Norwood, Mass., for
> his alleged involvement in mass murder and persecution of Jews
> while he headed the Nazi-sponsored Lithuanian Security Police for
> Vilnius province from August 1941 to July 1944.
> Of the 60,000 Jews in Vilnius, only 5,000 survived the Nazi
> occupation.
> Citing captured Axis documents in the Lithuanian State Archives,
> the government said Lileikis signed at least six orders in 1941
> turning over groups of Jews to the Special Detachment ``with full
> knowledge that the Special Detachment served as an execution squad
> for Jews.''
> During 1941, 33,000 Jewish men, women and children were shot to
> death by the Special Detachment in the woods near Paneriai, a
> hamlet six miles from Vilnius, the government said.
> Lileikis admits working for the security police but says he had
> innocuous duties and no part in killing Jews.
> ``The Lithuanians have told us they looked at the documents and
> they were not sufficient even to open a criminal case,'' said the
> administration official. ``Who knows what documents they have
> actually looked at.''
> Vilius Kavaliauskas, chief spokesman for the Lithuanian
> government, said there was insufficient evidence to bring charges
> against Lileikis.
> ``We are honoring law. And if you have nothing, no documents, no
> witnesses. What do you do?'' he said.
> At the same time, Kavaliauskas expressed disappointment that his
> country couldn't follow through on pledges to bring suspected war
> criminals to justice.
> ``We looked and we looked,'' he said. ``We wanted to show our
> readiness, but we just couldn't do it.''
> Lileikis' attorney, Tom Butters, did not return a telephone call
> seeking comment. But Butters cited the Lithuanian decision Thursday
> during a federal court session in Boston, said the administration
> official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
> The government contends Lileikis illegally obtained U.S.
> citizenship by concealing his war crimes.
> The Lithuanian refusal to investigate Lileikis could delay
> resolution of his case for years, because without charges,
> Lithuania could not seek his quick extradition for trial.
> Last fall, Lithuanian officials expressed interest in
> extraditing him if they were able to charge him, the administration
> official said. Lithuania has an anti-genocide law with a penalty of
> up to life in prison.
> ``An extradition request would likely succeed because we have a
> treaty with Lithuania. He could be on trial in Vilnius this year,''
> the administration official said. ``But they may be counting on it
> taking years for us to deport him.''
> The U.S. lawsuit to strip Lileikis' citizenship could take three
> years and deportation proceedings could last another two years, the
> official said. ``By that time, he would be 92 years old.''
> Zuroff held out hope that a newly named procurator general might
> reverse Vaicekauskas' decision.
>
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:07:30 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: William Mich Thomas <wmthomas@strauss.udel.edu> Subject: Re: Holocaust Survey...North Dakota
In-Reply-To: <199502111510.KAA08723@strauss.udel.edu>
> Herr Kollege! John Conway tells me you have an excellent bibliography > of the German Church Struggle. I would like to have a copy. Please > send with bill. - FHL
I would like to second that request.
Will Thomas
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Dept of History, 401 Ewing Hall
U of Delaware, Newark,DE 19716
The illiterate of the future will be ignorant of
the use of camera and pen alike.
--Laszlo Moholy-Nagy
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:08:11 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: MR JAMES E SANDERS <RUTA59A@prodigy.com> Subject: Holocaust Research Paper
A couple of weeks ago, I sent you a message concerning a research paper my son is beginning. He has decidd that he would like to refute the claims that some make that the Holocaust never happened, and use actual experience of survivors to show that, in additon to other supporting material.
Since I am new to Internet and the resources that are available, would your office mind explaining what some of them are and how I can access them through Internet.
Any help that you could offer to us would be greatly appreciated and used. Although I have read extensively on the Holocaust, I find that my son and most of his generation do not have a good understanding, or any real understanding of what happened and why. I am hoping that his research paper will open his eyes and his heart.
Thank you for your kind assistance.
James Sanders
Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:21:20 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Richard S. Levy" <rslevy@uic.edu> Subject: Dershowitz, JHR, & Censorship (long)
FORWARDED BY CHARLES FISHMAN <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.BITNET>
Penthouse come to Harvard
By Alan Dershowitz
Should a university censor its library collection so as not to offend its readers? That was the age-old question recently raised in a new guise at Harvard's venerable Widener Library.
It seems that some people were offended by the library's subscribing to the Journal of Historical Review, a crackpot magazine whose only "contribution" to "debate" is its bizarre claim that the Holocaust -- the systematic murder of millions of Jews by the Nazis -- never happened. Its contributors, who range from neo-Nazis to academic kooks, argue that the mass gassing of Jews, which has been admitted even by Nazi eyewitnesses, is a "fraud" deliberately perpetrated in the world by Jews for -- you guessed it -- "financial" reasons. Those "greedy" Hebrews are apparently not satisfied with controlling the media and the world financial markets; they want to secure reparations from a world racked with guilt over a tragedy that never occurred!
The Journal of Historical Review goes to absurd lengths in trying to discredit the mountain of eyewitnesses, documentary and photographic evidence which clearly establishes the details of the Nazi Holocaust. Among scholars it is known as the "Journal of Hysterical Falsification."
It is not surprising, therefore, that some Jewish activists and scholars of the Holocaust oppose the Harvard library's decision to subscribe to the Journal of Historical Review. Gail Gans, Assistant Director of Research of the Anti-Defamation League, characterizes the journal as "an abysmal, hideous, anti-Semitic publication," which cloaks itself in "academic garb." Professor Deborah Lipstadt of Emory University, who has written the definitive scholarly critique of Holocaust deniers, put it this way: "[To] subscribe regularly -- to have an ongoing, full collection of a journal which has not one iota of fidelity to truth -- is, to my mind, ludicrous for a university of Harvard's stature."
A writer for the Harvard Crimson called to ask my views. I respectfully disagreed with Professor Lipstadt, whom I greatly admire, and argued that the Harvard library should not be in the business of making such judgments. Nor should it exclude material because of its offensiveness. The writer then asked me what I thought of the fact that Widener Library did not have a subscription to Penthouse magazine, for which I write a regular column. This came as a surprise to me, and I immediately offered to donate a Penthouse subscription to Widener Library.
My offer was intended to test the policies of the Widener Library. In defense of its decision to subscribe to the Journal of Historical Review, the library's director had said that Harvard's library is filled with books and journals containing all sorts of outrageous and offensive ideas. To refuse to subscribe to a particular journal because of its abhorrent content, he continued, "is the first step on a slippery slope toward censorship." When asked about other magazines to which Harvard does not subscribe, he pointed to limited financial resources, arguing that Harvard "can't afford subscriptions to every journal in print."
I fully expected my offer to be declined, but to my surprise, it was immediately accepted, and Harvard's subscription to Penthouse will begin in 1995. Comedian Jay Leno quipped that I have finally figured out a way to get Harvard students to the library. But the issue is a serious one, especially in our age of political correctness. The Harvard library has made an important statement about the freedom to read
It is precisely because of Harvard's "stature" that it cannot submit to the demands of censors, no matter how well intentioned. No one is forced to read any book or magazine in the library. A great university library should serve as a repository for all manner of publications. Professor Lipstadt should understand that better than anyone, since she is the world's leading expert on the phenomenon of Holocaust denial and her research, and that of her colleagues, benefits from having all of this crackpot material readily available for scholars to review and criticize.
The same is true for Penthouse. These who rail against the evils of magazines which they claim exploit women should be pleased to have them available in one central repository for their research purposes.
Those who oppose the inclusion of material which they deem offensive in a library collection misunderstand the function of a library. Inclusion does not imply approval. By subscribing to a journal, a library does not place its imprimatur on the content of that journal. It merely acknowledges that the journal may be useful for someone's research. By that standard, the Harvard library's decisions should not offend anyone. The decision by any library to censor should offend everyone.
Alan M. Dershowitz is a professor of law at Harvard University. His newest books are "The Advocate's Devil" (Warner Books) and "The Abuse Excuse" (Little, Brown & Company).
Copyright 1995, United Feature Syndicate, Inc.
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:03:40 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Dr. Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu> Subject: Ruth Elias
Julie asked how she could reach Ruth Elias. I met her in Israel
at Yad Vashem in the summer of 1991 during the Summer Fellowship
Program for Teachers on the Holocaust and Jewish Resistance. I
am cet [Drtain that she could get in touch with Ruth through yad
Vashem. She is a special woman with a powerful story. If
she is related to Julie it would be meaningful for her to
contact Ruth.
Harriet Sepinwall
Holocaust Education Resource Center
College of Saint e [DElizabeth
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@lia [Da [Dza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:07:40 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: RAlcorn824@aol.com Subject: Re: Lodz Ghetto and Mittelstein
Within the USHMM Library, and also in the bookstore there, a volume is available which is , i believe, called _Auschwitz Chronicles_, by (this is really pulling something out of old memory cells) Januta Czech. At any rate, within this volume is a day-by-day chronicle of Auschwitz, including the numbers issued each day (to those arriving individuals fortunate enough to receive numbers).
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:11:23 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: RAlcorn824@aol.com Subject: Re: Was SS-Hauptscharfuehrer ...
"In November 1945, the U.S. tribunal tried members of the SS Dauchau
personnel, including...SS Hauptstrumfu"hrer Otto Moll, a notorius sadist and
head of the crematoria in Birkenau." Otto Moll received the death sentence
and was executed.
--Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp_; Yisrael Gutman & Michael Berenbaum,
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum & Indiana University Press, 1994,
ISBN 0-253-32684-2, p. 578
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:13:43 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Jeri Goldberg <z008057b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> Subject: Stephen Spielberg
In-Reply-To: <9502110520.AA17723@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Can you provide me with an address, phone, fax, and e-mail for Stephen Spielberg's "SHOAH" Foundation? Thank you.
Jeri Goldberg
z008057b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:15:16 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Jeri Goldberg <z008057b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> Subject: Hitler On Trial X-cc: HOLOCAUS%UICVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
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I just heard about a very interesting play in which Hitler stands trial before the Gates of Purgatory.
Witnesses for the defense include Richard Wagner, Henry Ford, Martin Luther, Pope Pius XII, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt is called as a reluctant witness.
Principle witness for the prosecution is Rabbi Moses ben Nachman.
The audience is the jury, duly sworn in before the play begins.
This play opened in Washington, DC, the same week as the Holocaust Museum opened.
More information can be obtained by calling (305) 429-1213.
The play opens February 22, 1995 at Stage Door Theater in Margate, Florida and will be in South Florida through mid-March.
I have not seen the play and have no commercial interest in it. I did hear an interview with the playwright on the radio this morning, conducted by Michael Friedsen of the Jewish Horizons Radio Network, WWNN 980 AM. His radio show with his wife, Felice, is on the air Sunday mornings from 7 to 9 am.
Has anyone seen this show?
Jeri Goldberg
United States National Coordinator,
Victims of Arab Terror International
z008057b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:20:48 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "David A. Meier" <DAVID_MEIER@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU> Organization: Dickinson State University Subject: Re: Bibliography and Churches during Nazi Era
Here is my bibliography. It was aired some time ago and has not been substantially changed. Additions, corrections, and suggestions are always appreciated....
Christianity and the Holocaust
A Select Bibliography of the Christian Response:
Before, During, and After
The Bibliography is arranged in three sections:
I Seedbed for Destruction
II The Holocaust and the Christian Response
III Post-Holocaust Period of Reflection
I Seedbed for Destruction
Berdiaev, Nikolai A., Christianity and Antisemitism (New York: Philosophical Library, 1954). Book written by a well-known scholar of Russian history and philosophy who described the contributions made to Antisemitism by Christianity.
Braham, Randolph L., editor, The Origins of the Holocaust: Christian Anti-Semitism (Boulder, Colorado: Social Science Monographs and Institute for Holocaust Studies, City University of NY, 1986). How Christianity condones and encourages anti-Semitism historically and how the Nazis took political advantage of this.
Brakelmann, Guenter, & Martin Rosowski, eds., Antisemitismus: Von religioeser Judenfeindschaft zur Rassenideologie (Goettingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1989). Some good articles on Protestant traditions, e.g. by Leonore Siegele-Wenschkewitz, who's written a bunch of other stuff on theologians and antisemitism.
Cargas, Harry James, When God and Man Failed (New York: Macmillan, 1981).
Conway, John S., The Nazi Persecution of the Churches, 1933-1945 (New York: Basic Books, 1968). An examination of the way in which the Nazis dealt with the Christian churches in Germany. Conway relies on documents from Hitler's Reich Chancery, papers of individual Nazi leaders, and German government records.
Davies, Alan, editor, Antisemitism and the foundations of Christianity (New York: Paulist Press, 1979).
Flannery, Edward H., The Anguish of the Jews (New York: Paulist Press, 1985).
Gutteridge, Richard, Open Thy Mouth for the Dumb: The Evangelical Church and the Jews, 1879-1950 (Oxford: Basil Blackwell, 1976; US ed. lacks first half of title).
Isaac, Jules, The teaching of contempt: Christian roots of anti-Semitism (New York: Holt, Ronehart, and Winston, 1964).
Kent, Peter, and John Pollard, ed., Papal Diplomacy in the Modern Age (Westport, CT: Praeger, 1994).
Klein, Charlotte L., Anti-Judaism in Christian Theology (Philadelphia: Fortress, 1977). This is a study of Antisemitism in modern German Protestant and Catholic theology and education. The author is a Roman Catholic nun and convert from Judaism.
Langmuir, Gavin I., Toward a definition of antisemitism (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1990).
Langmuir, Gavin I., History, religion, and antisemitism (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1990).
Littell, Franklin, The Crucifixion of the Jews (New York: Harper & Row, 1975).
Moral, John B., and Sidney Z. Ettler, Church and State through the Centuries (London: Burns and Oates, 1954). This is an collection of key Catholic Church documents.
Parkes, James, Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue: A Study in the Origins of Anti-Semitism (Cleveland: World, 1961).
Poliakov, Leon, The History of Anti-Semitism (New York: Vanguard, 1968). Three Volumes. Poliakov covers the period from the time of Christ to Richard Wagner. Poliakov attempts to demonstrate the socio-psychological forces behind the centuries of hate.
Rose, Paul Lawrence, Revolutionary Antisemitism in Germany from Kant to Wagner (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1990).
Ruether, Rosemary R., Faith and Fratricide: The Theological Roots of Anti-Semitism (New York: Seabury, 1974).
Shuster, George N., Like a Mighty Army: Hitler Versus Established Religions (New York: Appleton-Century, 1935).
Tal, Uriel, Christians and Jews in Germany. Religion, Politics, and Ideology in the Second Reich, 1870-1914 (Ithica and London: Cornell University Press, 1975).
II The Holocaust and Christian Responses
Actes et Documents due Saint-Siege relatif a la Seconde Guerre Mondiale (Librarie Editrice del Vaticano (11 Volumes).
Agar, Herbert, "Christian who Dared Death to Save Jews: How Thousands of Jews Escaped Nazis," Jewish Digest 6.8 (1961):17-20.
Arnal, Oscar L., "Catholic Roots of Collaboration and Resistance in France in the 1930s," Canadian Journal of History April 1982:87-110.
Barnett, Victoria, For the Soul of the People : Protestant Protest Against Hitler (New York: Oxford, 1992).
Bauer, Yehuda, "Christian Behavior During the Holocaust," Jewish Spectator 43.3 (1978):17-21.
Bierman, John, Righteous Gentile: The Story of Raoul Wallenberg, Missing Hero of the Holocaust (New York: Viking, 1981). A member of the Swedish delegation to Hungary, Wallenberg was responsible for saving nearly 100,000 Hungarian Jews. After the Second World War, he disappeared in Soviet hands.
Buchstab, Guenter, Brigitte Kaff, and Hans-Otto Kleinmann, Verfolgung und Wiederstand 1933-1945. Christliche Demokraten gegen Hitler (Duesseldorf: Droste, 1990).
Camp, William D., "Religion and Horror: the American Religious Press Views the Nazi Death Camps and Holocaust Survivors," diss., Carnegie Mellon University, 1981.
Conway, John S., "Silence of Pope Pius XII," Review of Politics Jan 1965:105-313.
De Jong, Pieter, "Response of the Churches in the Netherlands to the Nazi Occupation," in Michael D. Ryan's (ed.) Human Responses in the Holocaust: Perpetrators and Victims. Bystanders and Resisters (New York: E. Mellen, 1981).
Donohoe, U.J., Hitler's Conservative Opponents in Bavaria, 1930-1945: A Consideration of Catholic, Monarchist, and Separatist Anti-Nazi Activities (Leiden: Brill, 1961).
Ericksen, Robert P., Theologians Under Hitler: Gerhard Kittel, Paul Althaus and Emanuel Hirsch (New Haven: Yale, 1985).
Fein, Helen, Accounting for Genocide: National Responses and Jewish Victimization During the Holocaust (Chicago: Chicago University Press, 1984).
Feingold, Henry, The Politics of Rescue: The Roosevelt Administration and the Holocaust, 1938-1945 (New York: Holocaust Library, 1961). An analysis of why the FDR administration failed to do much about rescuing European Jews.
Fisher, Desmond, Pope Pius XII and the Jews: An Answer to Hochhuth's Play, "Der Stelvertreter" (Glen Rock, NJ: Paulist, 1961).
Fogelman, Eva, "Moral Heroes of Our Times: Christian Rescuers," America 9 December 1989:426-429.
Friedlander, Saul, "An Extraordinary Catholic Childhood," Commentary 76.4 (1979):57-66.
Friedlander, Saul, Pius the Twelfth and the Third Reich (New York: Knopf, 1966). Vatican policy toward the Nazis regarding the Holocaust.
Graham, Robert A., Pius XII's Defense of Jews and Others: 1944-45 (Milwaukee: Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, 1982).
Greschat, Martin, & Jochen-Christoph Kaiser, eds., Der Holocaust und die Protestanten (Munich[?]: Athenaeum, 1988). Gives a good sense of what younger German scholars are doing in this area.
Hallie, Philip P., Lest Innocent Blood Be Shed: The Story of the Village of Le Chambon and How Goodness Happened There (New York: Harper & Row, 1976). This story tells of how a local congregation in southwestern France created a haven for Jews.
Hochhuth, Rolf, The Deputy, translated by Richard and Clara Winston (New York: Grove, 1963). A controversial play, first produced in 1965, which centered on Pope Pius XII's failure to come to the aid of Jews during the Holocaust.
Keneally, Thomas, Schindler's List (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1982).
Kirchliche Zeitgeschichte (Goettingen: Vandenhoeck & Robrecht, 1988). David J. Diephouse (Dept. of History, Calvin College (Grand Rapids, MI 49546)) indicated that "there is a bit of irony in identifying Kirchliche Zeitgeschichte with Tuebingen. As I understand it, the journal is the brainchild of Gerhard Besier and several other former students of Klaus Scholder, who taught at Tuebingen until his death a few years back. This "KZ" group is ideologically at odds with the current contemporary church historian at Tuebingen (Anselm Doering-Manteuffel, I think), who in turn is one of the driving forces behind an alternative "Konfession und Gesellschaft" group. (The book Der Holocaust und die Protestanten is a product of this group.) Anyway, Tuebingen seems to be enemy territory as far as KZ is concerned. Officially, it seems to be a typically German Methodenstreit--about whether church history is a branch of "secular" social history or a branch of theology--but personalities seem to have a lot to do with it as well."
Koonz, Claudia, Mothers in the Fatherland (New York: St. Martin Press, 1987).
Kulka, Otto Don, and Paul Mendes-Flohr, ed., Judaism and Christianity under the impact of National Socialism 1919-1945 (Jerusalem: The Historical Society of Israel, 1987).
Lester, Elenore, Wallenberg: The Man in the Iron Web (Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice-Hall, 1982).
Lewy, Gunther, The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1964).
Littell, Franklin H., and Hubert G. Locke, eds., The German Church Struggle and the Holocaust (Detroit: Wayne State Univ. Press, 1974). These are the collected papers presented at the First International Scholars' Conference on the Church struggle and the Holocaust.
Matheson, Peter, ed., The Third Reich and the Christian Churches (Grand Rapids, MI: Erdmans, 1981). Matheson collected 68 documents from the period 1933 to 1943 to illustrate not only the varied Christian response to the Third Reich but the official and unofficial attitude of the Nazis towards the Christian churches.
Morley, John F., Vatican Diplomacy and the Jews During the Holocaust, 1939-1943 (New York: Ktav, 1980).
Oliner, Samuel P., and Pearl Oliner, The Altrustistic Personality. Rescuers of Jews in Nazi Europe (New York: Free Press, 1988). Oliner compiles a composite portrait of the typical rescuer by interviewing 400 former rescuers.
Marrus, Michael R., and Robert Paxton, Vichy France and the Jews (New York: Basic, 1981).
Phayer, Michael, Protestant and Catholic Women in Nazi Germany (Detroit: Wayne State University Press, 1990).
Poliakov, Leon, "The Vatican and the Jewish Question: The Record of the Hitler Period - and After," Commentary 10 (1950):439-449.
Ramati, A., The Assisi Underground. The Priests Who Rescued Jews (New York: Stein and Day, 1978). Using letters, dairies, and official Church documents, Ramati recounts the story of Niccacci, the Franciscan priest who with other Italian Catholic clergy organize the rescue of Jews during the German occupation.
Roehm, Eberhard, and J"rg Thierfelder, Evangelische Kirche zwischen Kreuz und Hakenkreuz (Stuttgart: Calver Verlag, 1982).
Roehm, Eberhard, & Joerg Thierfelder, Juden, Christen, Deutsche 1933-1945 (Stuttgart: Calwer Verlag, 1990- ). Well-documented multivolume narrative in progress.
Ross, Robert, "The Response of Institutionalized Religion to the Holocaust," in Marcia S. Littel's (ed.) Holocaust Education: A Resource Book for Teachers and Professional Leaders (New York: E. Mellen, 1985), pp. 81-86.
Ryan, Michael D. (ed.) Human Responses in the Holocaust: Perpetrators and Victims. Bystanders and Resisters (New York: E. Mellen, 1981).
Scholder, Klaus, A Requiem for Hitler: and other new perspectives on the German church struggle (Philadelphia: Trinity Press International, 1989).
Tec, Nechama, "Sex Distinctions and Passing As Christians During the Holocaust" East European Quarterly 18 (1984):113-123.
III Post-Holocaust Period of Reflection
Bauer, Yehuda, Remembering for the Future: Working Papers and Addenda (Oxford, England: Pergamon Press, 1989). Papers about Jewish-Christian relations during and after the Holocaust and its impact on the Jewish and Christian religions and civilizations.
Baum, Gregory, "Catholic Dogma After Auschwitz," in Alan T. Davies' (ed.) Anti-Semitism and the Foundations of Christianity (Ramsey, NJ: Paulist, 1979), pp. 137-150.
Cargas, Harry J., Face to Face: A Book about the Holocaust for the Christian Reader (Ardmore, PA: Seth, 1988).
Cohen, Arthur A., The Tremendum: A Theological Interpretation of the Holocaust (Crossroad, NY: Crossroad, 1988).
Drinan, Robert F., "The Christian Response to the Holocaust" Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science 450 (1980):179-189.
Eckardt, A. Roy, Jews and Christians: The Contemporary Meeting (Bloomington: Indiana Univ. Press, 1986). A thought-provoking book on the post-Holocaust relationship between Christians and Jews. The author provides an insight into the attitudes, myths, and questions that continue to divide Christians and Jews.
Eckardt, Alice L., "Christian Responses to the Holocaust," in R.S. Hirt and T. Kessner's Issues in Teaching the Holocaust: A Guide (New York: Yeshiva Univ. Press, 1981), pp. 69-95.
Fisher, Eugene, Faith Without Prejudice: rebuilding Christian attitudes toward Judaism (New York: Crossroad, 1993).
Fisher, Eugene, Interwoven Destinies: Jews and Christians through the ages (New York: Paulist, 1993).
Fisher, E.J., "Holocaust and Christian Responsibility," America 14 February 1981:118-121.
Fleischner, E., (ed.) Auschwitz, Beginning of a New Era; Reflections on the Holocaust (New York: Ktav, 1974). Collected papers given at the International Symposium on the Holocaust, held at the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine, New York City in 1974. It includes a discussion of theological reflections on the Holocaust and the pathology of anti-Semitism.
Forstman, Jack, Christian faith in dark times: theological conflicts in the shadow of Hitler (Louisville, Ky.: Westminster/John Knox Press, 1992).
Greenberg, Irving, "Cloud of Smoke, Pillar of Fire: Judaism, Christianity, and Modernity after the Holocaust," in Fleischner, R., (ed.) Auschwitz, Beginning of a New Era; Reflections on the Holocaust (New York: Ktav, 1974), pp. 7-55.
Hermle, Siegfried, Evangelische Kirche und Judentum -- Stationen nach 1945 (Goettingen: V & R, 1990).
Littell, Franklin H., "Christiandom, Holocaust, and Israel: The Importance for Christians of Recent Major Events in Jewish History," Journal of Ecumenical Studies 10 (1973):496-497.
Marcia S. Littel, (ed.), Holocaust Education: A Resource Book for Teachers and Professional Leaders (New York: E. Mellen, 1985).
Pawlikowski, John, The Challenge of the Holocaust for Christian Theology (New York: ADL, 1978).
Peck, Abraham J., (ed)., Jews and Christians after the Holocaust (Philadelphia: Fortress, 1982). Compilation of essays read at a symposium sponsored by the Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion, in Cincinnati. The symposium brought Jewish and Christian scholars together to evaluate the place of religious values in a world changed by the Holocaust.
Rausch, David A., Legacy of Hatred: Christians Must Not Forget the Holocaust (Chicago: Moody, 1984).
Responses to Elie Wiesel: Critical Essays by Major Jewish and Christian Scholars (New York: Persea Books, 1978).
Roth, John K., A Consuming Fire: Encounters with Elie Wiesel and the Holocaust (Atlanta: John Knox, 1979).
Roth, John, & Richard Rubenstein, Approaches to Auschwitz: The Holocaust and Its Legacy (Atlanta: John Knox, 1987). Interesting because joint Christian-Jewish effort; nice summary and bibliographies.
Tracy, David, "Religious Values After the Holocaust: A Catholic View, in Abraham J. Peck's (ed)., Jews and Christians after the Holocaust (Philadelphia: Fortress, 1982), pp. 87-110.
[See also Helen Kehr and Janet Langmaid's The Nazi Era 1919-1945. A Select Bibliography of Published Works From the Early Roots to 1980 (London: Mansell Publishing Limited, 1982).]
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:22:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Jonathan Morse <jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Subject: Re: gun control
In-Reply-To: <9502101830.AA00232@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>
I can't help with the alleged quote from Hitler, but I still remember being shaken up way back in the sixties when the rabbi of my congregation, a German refugee, told me that one of the Nazis' first priorities had been to take everyone's guns away. At this distance in time I don't recall his exact words, but I do recall realizing that they accorded exactly with what the gun nuts kept writing in my local paper, the (then) far-right _Indianapolis Star_. As Steve Paulsson says, the world is kind of a complicated place.
Jonathan Morse
Department of English
University of Hawaii at Manoa
jmorse@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:23:33 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: DMHENRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Crosses in Natzweiler
Thank you for your message about the cemetery in Natzweiler, which I have never yet visited. (The first time we were with friesnds late on a bleak late afternoon, the second time with survivors and school children who had written essays about the resistance and the camps, and their tour did not include a visit to the cemetery either.) There is Charles Osgood 's TV Sunday morning program of which I have a video, and also newspaper articles about Draisin's work from the NY Times and the Jewish Week. I would be happy to send them to you (tape would need to be copied first.) . Please send me your mailing address so I can get the clippings to you at least. If you can give me a sentence or two description of yourself, work, and connection to this issue, I will forward them to Draisin who kind of wants to know what people have to say on this subject without getting too involved. By the way, I am interested too in how you came to go to Natzweiler and if you think of some venue for a photo exhibit documenting it or of a publisher for survivor's memoirs which I have in hand, please let me know! I am most grateful to you for your communication, and look forward to hearing from you again.
Diana Mara Henry
P.O. Box 7317 Carmel, CA 93921-7317
408-656-9750 / fax 408-656-9755
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:25:52 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Franklin Littell <FHL@TEMPLEVM.BITNET> Subject: Re: Dershowitz, JHR, & Censorship (long)
In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:21:20 CST from <rslevy@uic.edu>
The position taken by Alan Dershowitz in respect to the Widener Library at Harvard is very sensible when you have a resource of that size. But like many positions sound enough in their setting, the logic is perverse when transferred to a small junior college or high school with very limited resources. One of the leading "deniers" has the practice of offering "a few books" to high school and college libraries "so that all sides can be heard." When challenged he argues First Amendment liberties, also fine theory and - when abstracted or propositionalized - sometimes dangerous and/or damaging, and only correct to people who don't know the difference in purpose between an educational campus and Columbus Circle or Hyde Park. Common sense, like judicial restraint, seems to have disappeared from contemporary legal discussions and decisions - which once in a while even reach the thin air of medieval debates about how many angels can dance on the point of a pin.
Doesn't it make sense that an institution like Harvard and its and its MANY libraries and faculties can absorb without a hiccup intellectual sewage that would poison the atmosphere and unbalance the library offerings of the campuses where Newtie and Gramm didn't make tenure? -FHL
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:27:42 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Pgjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: Questionaire on Experimen...
Your four questions assume that the hypothermia experiments were
scientifically valid. . Given the nature of other Nazi medical experiments, I
would be unwilling to make this assumption and would want to see evidence of
the scientific value of the work.
Your 2nd, 3rd and 4th questions assume that the information provided by the
Nazi experiments could not be obtained from other more legitiamate sources.
These two assumptions seem to raise threshold questions that need to be
answered before we deal with the issue of the ethical use of dubious
experiments from extremely dubious sources.
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:03:07 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Dr. Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu> Subject: May 3rd Conference
"The Impact of the Holocaust on Post-War New Jersey and American Culture" will be the topic for an all day conference to be held at the College of Saint eliza [D [D [D [D [DElizabeth, Morristown, New Jersey on May 3rd (Wednesday). This conference is co-sponsored by the New Jersey Studies Academic Alliance, the Holocaust Education Resource Center of the College of Sw [Daint Elizabeth, and the Rutgers University World War II oral History Archives. The program is supported with a grant from the New Jersey Council for the Humanities with additional support from the College of Saint Elizabeth.
There will be panels focusing on the impact of the Holocaust on religion in New Jersey and the United States as well as on its impact on literature, film, and o [Dmonuments. Dr. William Helmreich will be the Keynote speaker. The program will conclude with a session with Liberators and Survivors.
Everyone is welcome to attend. Brochures are currently being
printed and more details will be forthcoming. For further
information, contact:
Dr. Harriet Sepinwall
Holocaust Education Resource Center
College of Saint Eliabeth
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:03:58 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Dr. Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu> Subject: new videos for Holocaust education
I have received several inquiries about the work of the Holocaust Education Resource Center at the College of Saint Elizabeth. We have been involved in integrating study of the Holocaust into many of our courses, holding special weeks of Holocaust Remembrance in the past few years which involve many programs for study by students, faculty, administrators, and the community, and [D [D [Dorganizing trips to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, and holding workshops for teachers and administrators for teaching about the Holocaust in K-12 classes. In addition, we have produced two new videos which highlight the work we have been doing and which could be used for faculty development on college campuses and at secondary schools. They are:
We believe that these videos may be helpful to those who would like to encourage their colleagues to support Holocaust education and/or organize Holocaust remembrance programs on campus.
For further information, contact Ron Loneker at: video@liza.st-elizabeth. edu
(In case it is not clear above: video@liza.st-elizabeth.edu)
Ron can send anyone interestd [Ded a copy of the flyer [Ds we have with further f [Ddetails.
Harriet Sepinwall
Holocaust Education Resource Center
College of Saint Elizabeth
2 Convent road
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:06:13 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Herb Effron <herb@seagopher.com> Subject: Re: Dershowitz, JHR, & Censorship (long)
Dr. Littell, et. al. seems overgenerous with Alan Dershowitz, et. al. to imply there is any acquiesence (academic or otherwise) to the absurdity of Holocaust denial. No one would devote three words to my writings about the moon and green cheese much less subscribe to my popular Journal of Moon-Cheese Relativism.
The point of the problem often penetrates and weakens us deeply, not because the problem is the denierss, but it's that someone we know -- a very nice person but not well-learned -- who is all-too-ready to say:
"Well, you know, it is possible ..."
How can I respond kindly to this 'child'? (Those familiar with the Passover Haggadah will understand -- from the story of 'the four sons'.)
Herb Effron
>The position taken by Alan Dershowitz in respect to the Widener Library >at Harvard is very sensible when you have a resource of that size. But >like many positions sound enough in their setting, the logic is perverse >when transferred to a small junior college or high school with very >limited resources. One of the leading "deniers" has the practice of >offering "a few books" to high school and college libraries "so that all >sides can be heard." When challenged he argues First Amendment liberties, >also fine theory and - when abstracted or propositionalized - sometimes >dangerous and/or damaging, and only correct to people who don't know the >difference in purpose between an educational campus and Columbus Circle >or Hyde Park. Common sense, like judicial restraint, seems to have >disappeared from contemporary legal discussions and decisions - which once >in a while even reach the thin air of medieval debates about how many >angels can dance on the point of a pin. > Doesn't it make sense that an institution like Harvard and its and >its MANY libraries and faculties can absorb without a hiccup intellectual >sewage that would poison the atmosphere and unbalance the library offer- >ings of the campuses where Newtie and Gramm didn't make tenure? -FHL
Herb Effron For replies regarding Seattle USA herb@seagopher.com e-mail: seattle-usa@seagopher.com
Seattle USA ... a place to shop and do business, find events and things to do, get brain food, enjoy art, laugh at cartoons ...
Dear Jeri Goldberg,
Is the title of this play _Hitler on Trial_? Who is the playwright?
--Charles Fishman
SUNY, Farmingdale * * * "If the Sun & Moon should doubt, Farmingdale, NY 11735 * They'd immediately go out." --Blake ``````````````````````````````` '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:10:03 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: H2953Val@HUELLA.BITNET Subject: Re: Music from the Holocaust
A historical recording was issued by Supraphon, Prague, Czechoslovakia, titled Jewish Religious Songs. (Registration number of the 1965 LP edition is SUA 12605.) The recording was made in 1945 with
the first cantor of Bucharest, Schalom Katz, the first cantor of Prague, Solomon Weisz, and the first cantor of Budapest, Eugen Katz, some months after their liberation from death camps. The three cantors sing prayers, hymns and songs on this recording under fresh impression of their experiences in the death camps.
The most upsetting piece on this recording is El Mule Rakhamim, sung by Bucharest first cantor Shalom Katz who sang this hymn in Auschwitz some months earlier to thousands of his fellow Jews on their last way, there, where also their body went to heaven togeather with their soul.
Other pieces on this recording are Udivrei Kodesho, Rezekh, and Kol Nidrei sung also by Shalom Katz, Veshomru and Yehi Rotson Milfonekho sung by Prague first cantor Solomon Weisz, and Shma Israel and Uvo Rakhamim sung by Budapest first cantor Eugen Katz.
George Valas, Budapest, Hungary <h2953val@ella.hu>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:12:11 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Sara MacDonald, U/Arts Library" <macdonald@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Authorship
Help, please: I'm a reference librarian posting a question for a student. My student is interested in the issue of plays and films about the Holocaust written by or made by people who did not directly experience the Holocaust. Can anyone recommend an essay or article that addresses this? Should one be a survivor in order to write about this? Can only a survivor tell the story?
Please reply to me directly, and thank you very much.
Sara MacDonald, Greenfield Library, The University of the Arts, Philadelphia PA
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:14:11 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Steve Paulsson <gsp3@leicester.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Revisionism, history, memory.
> Revisionism, on the other hand, is something different. Some years > ago I proposed a mechanism which I called negation, in which what > has happened is accepted as real, but the significance is negated. > In the positive sense this leads to commemorative buildings and such. > In the sense in which Nolte and his ilk use it, it is meant to negate > the significance of what Germans did by saying that everybody does it, > and therefore that the Germans are no better or worse than others. >
I object to this conception of 'revisionism'.
Every serious historical study has something new to propose, or there would be no point in writing it. It is therefore 'revisionist' in some sense. Indeed, 'revisionism' is not only an honourable tradition in historiography, it is the very essence of what historians do. Historians propose hypotheses to explain historical facts. Other historians subject these hypotheses to critical review, do research to uncover new facts, and propose new hypotheses that do a better job of accounting for the facts. Call it 'dialectics', call it the 'hypothetico-deductive' or 'nomothetic' method; call it 'critical history' or the 'Baconian method': this process of continual honing and revision constitutes the claim of history, as a discipline, to represent a scientific epistemology and methodology and therefore an approximation to truth rather than a mere collection of opinions.
The Holocaust deniers wrap themselves in the flag of revisionism, calling their organization the 'Institute of Historical Review'. They claim to be fearless seekers of truth struggling against the attempts of a reigning orthodoxy to suppress them. They claim to be the standard-bearers of science against dogma.
Of course they are nothing of the kind. Like other quacks, they construct their
'hypotheses' out of carefully selected facts, and cling to these hypotheses in
the
face of all contrary facts and rational argumentation. They are the dogmatists,
not to say outright frauds and political manipulators.
Among the many things the deniers should not be permitted to abuse is the name and concept of historical review, which should not acquire negative connotations because of them. Genuine revisionism is the most powerful weapon against the deniers.
A different line of criticism of 'revisionism' comes from that half of the Holocaust Studies universe which is eulogistic, commemorative, literary, and philosophical in character, and to which I presume Prof Silverman belongs (along with most survivors). This school of thought believes that the truth about the Holocaust resides in memory and is already known (though perhaps not fully explored), and that the task of future generations is to preserve this memory and truth against 'revisionism'. In this view, revisionism is at best sterile academic disputation and at worst represents a deliberate attempt at falsification and distortion.
This line of criticism is based on a misunderstanding of the historical enterprise, which in fact has little to do with memory or the preservation of a past already known. That is the job of chroniclers, memoirists, archivists, museologists, and so on. History as a discipline is concerned instead with the reconstruction of a past that was never in memory, because it existed in collective and not individual consciousness, or parts of it in many individual consciousnesses. History, like archaeology or paleontology, is a forensic discipline: it is concerned with drawing conclusions about the past on the basis of evidence, whatever evidence the past has left behind.
Memory, especially of eyewitnesses, is of course an invaluable source of historical evidence. We need to know from the survivors (though they can tell us only imperfectly) what it looked, sounded, felt, smelt like.
But what the survivors can't tell us is what it all meant.
They can tell us what they think it meant, but we are entitled to disagree.
There are of course many kinds of meaning, and perhaps each of us has to attach our own meaning to the Holocaust. But to get at historical meaning, which has to do with causes and reasons and consequences, you need the endless and seemingly sterile process of academic discussion, the painstaking process of constructing and refining hypotheses, which little by little increases our understanding.
Of course there is a dimension which is known only to the survivors and will die with them. We of later generations cannot know exactly 'what it was like'. All of us who weren't there are therefore full of misconceptions about things that are simple and obvious to those who were there.
But that's the way of the world, and it can't be changed by trying to ossify 'memory' and protect it from 'revisionism'. And what the protectors of 'memory' are in any case protecting is most often not actual memory, but their own historical interpretation - that is, their own abstractions, speculations, theories, conclusions ... about what, historically, it all meant. And there having 'been there' is not an advantage: perhaps quite the contrary, since historical understanding seems to need 'historical perspective' and 'detached judgment' and so on. My thesis supervisor deliberately stays away from the wartime period, precisely because he was there and so doesn't feel he could be objective.
I have wandered off the topic. Back to Nolte the 'revisionist'.
Call Nolte something else. Call him a negator or a German apologist. But he's no more or less a revisionist than any other historian.
Steve Paulsson tel. (44)116 252 2802 Dept of History fax (44)116 252 3986
University of Leicester
University Road
Leicester LE1 7RH England
For experience should have taught him that few are the good, and few the evil, and that the great majority of men are in the interval between them. (Plato, Phaedo)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:16:20 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Werb, Bret C." <bwerb@ushmm.org> Subject: Re: Music from the Holocaust/Lullabies
On Wed, 8 Feb 1995 JUBRENMAN%JTSA.EDU@vm1.spcs.umn.edu wrote:
> I heard that the U.S. Holocaust Museum has a recording of
> lullabyes sung by mothers during the Holocaust. Is this true? I'm looking
> for background music that would be appropriate for a Holocaust memorial
> service. Any suggestions? Julie
>
In 1992, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum released a recording titled
"Remember the Children - Songs for and by Children of the Holocaust." The
album (CD or cassette) contains 19 songs in Yiddish written for the most
part in the ghettos of Nazi-occupied eastern Europe. Of these, six or seven
qualify as lullabies - that is, songs sung with the express purpose of making
a child go to sleep. Complete songtexts, transcribed and translated, are
included in a booklet that accompanys the CD (though not the cassette). The
album may be ordered from the USHMM Bookshop, 100 Raoul Wallenberg Place SW,
Washington DC 20024.
Bret Werb
Musicologist
US Holocaust Research Institute
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:17:25 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Robert T. Moore" <RTMOORE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU> Organization: Amarillo College PCAD-ML Subject: Re: Medical Experiments by Dr. Mengele at Auschwitz
Hello, Richard!
Thank you very much for writing me, and I do appreciate your response. An interesting situation in which Dr. Koppich found herself.
> As I recall from my conversation with Dr. Koppich, Mengele was unaware of
> her
> activities to save lives. In fact, she acted at great personal risk to
> herself.
I wonder what would have happened (to her or to her patient[s]), if he had discovered what she was doing. Did she elaborate on this possibility?
> I can understand your concern about Dr. Koppich's work. Quite frankly, I
> had
> expected to hear a different response from her than the one that she gave
> me;
> once again, I was reminded of the extent to which survivor testimony
> challenges our preconceived interpretive ideas.
I am certain that is correct. It would seem that such testimony
needs to be published or made known in some way, because it does shed
an insight into what was possible, i.e. saving lives or administering
valid treatment to suffering patients, in such a place as Auschwitz.
To my mind, it would have been most difficult for her to have
concealed her activities, as "conscientious" as Dr. Mengele was.
>
> On the other hand, I wasn't disturbed by what she said, nor am I disturbed
> now. What she found meaningful was not any of the work that she had to do
> under Mengele's supervision, but, rather, the work that she did "on the
> sly,"
> as it were, in which she did her best to heal tormented persons under her
> care. At least that is what I understood her to mean when she and I talked,
> via a translator.
That is certainly admirable. Do you know if she has ever published her memoirs on this?
Thank you for bringing this subject to light and for discussion.
All the best, and thanks again.
Terry
> I hope that this info. helps. Thanks for the message, Terry.
It did, and thank you again.
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:18:19 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Dewey Browder, Austin Peay State U" <BROWDERD@APSU.BITNET> Subject: Holocaust Commemoration: Plea for Help
My university has just received word that we have funds to pay for a commemoration of the Holocaust. I am the chair of the committee, and I am issuing a call for help. I have three questions at the moment. They are:
Perhaps I should mention there will be no charge for the events. Everything will be free and open to the public as well as the university community.
Responses can be sent directly to me at browderd@lynx.apsu.edu
Thanks for the advice.
Dewey A. Browder
Dept. of History & Philosophy
Austin Peay State University
Clarksville, TN
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:19:20 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Marvin Prosono <MAP881F@SMSVMA.BITNET> Subject: Foster Nomination
Now that it has been revealed that Dr. Foster, Clinton's appointee for surgeon-general, engaged in the sterilization of the mentally retarded (now characterized as "mainstream medicine") during the 60s and 70s, I wish to engage this list in a bit of wistful speculation.
What would have been the reaction of many of those quite sensitive to anything which resembles Mengele-like medicine if Foster had been white and nominated by a conservative Republican president? (One can just imagine the effigies of Hitler being paraded up and down Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House.) Such sensitivities are what I thought the existence of Holocaust education was all about - or am I missing something?
Marvin Prosono
Southwest Missouri State University
Department of Sociology
Springfield, MO 65804
MAP881F@VMA.SMSU.EDU
(417) 836-5640
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:20:10 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: William Mich Thomas <wmthomas@strauss.udel.edu> Subject: Info on _Holocaust and Genocide Studies_
Would anyone happen to know the subscription info for the journal _Holocaust and Genocide Studies_?
Thanks,
Will Thomas
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William M. Thomas
wmthomas@strauss.udel.edu
Dept of History, U of Delaware
The illiterate of the future will be ignorant of
the use of camera and pen alike.
--Laszlo Moholy-Nagy
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:21:14 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Ora Avni <avni@minerva.cis.yale.edu> Subject: Re: Dershowitz, JHR, & Censorship (long)
In-Reply-To: <199502130214.AA12633@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
On Sat, 11 Feb 1995, Richard S. Levy wrote:
> FORWARDED BY CHARLES FISHMAN <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.BITNET>
>
> Penthouse come to Harvard
>
> By Alan Dershowitz
>
> Should a university censor its library collection so as not to
> offend its readers? That was the age-old question recently raised
> in a new guise at Harvard's venerable Widener Library.
>
>
Inclusion does not imply approval. By subscribing to a
> journal, a library does not place its imprimatur on the content of that
> journal. It merely acknowledges that the journal may be useful for
> someone's research. By that standard, the Harvard library's decisions
> should not offend anyone. The decision by any library to censor
> should offend everyone.
>
> Alan M. Dershowitz is a professor of law at Harvard University. His
> newest books are "The Advocate's Devil" (Warner Books) and "The
> Abuse Excuse" (Little, Brown & Company).
>
> Copyright 1995, United Feature Syndicate, Inc.
I agree with Alan Dershowits. BUT the journal should not be with other historical journals. It should be put under FICTION (or better yet, libraries should include a special classification for PROPAGANDA)
Ora Avni
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:25:24 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Steve Paulsson <gsp3@leicester.ac.uk> Subject: Re: National stereotypes and the Holocaust
> From: "Paul Lawrence Rose" <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
>
> It really is outrageous of S. Paullsson to comnpare Menachem Begin's
> alleged failings with those of Nazis and antisemitic Poles. He really
> seems incapable of perceiving how he gives offence to many readers on
> this list (to judge from those who communicate with me privately). As
> to his patronizing remarks on Abba Kovner which suggests that he
> Paullsson knows more about the situation than Kovner did himself, there
> is a basic intellectual delusion here, namely the supposition that all
> beliefs in national character or national culture are by definition
> wrong as well as bad. One could argue that Jewish perceptions of
> gentile antisemitism in Poland and elsewhere were effective in
> contributing to Jewish survival in hostile environments. Those who
> didn't internalize these perceptions simnpkly didn't live to learn
> better. It should be obivious that not all Poles were antisemites just
> as all Germans were not evil; but one has to judge statistically in
> terms of probabibility - and Jewish suspicion and fear were selected
> traits for survival, even if they could in certain cases be mistaken.
Despite Paul Rose's irrational hatred of me (expressed in personal communications as well as the above flame), I will continue to try to engage him on a rational level.
First, I didn't compare Menachem Begin to Hitler or antisemitic Poles (although in the latter case the comparison is quite valid, I think, and would be made by many Israelis). The shape of the argument was, roughly:
The Pope doesn't speak for all Catholics
Bill Clinton doesn't speak for all Americans
Menachem Begin didn't speak for all Israelis (let alone for all
Jews)
Adolf Hitler didn't speak for all Germans.
This is obviously an argument about leadership and collective responsibility and not an attempt to compare the Pope, Clinton or Begin to Hitler.
As to my 'patronizing remarks' about Abba Kovner, these consisted of the suggestion that Kovner might have overestimated the degree of risk involved in fleeing from the ghetto.
We historians are admittedly a cheeky bunch, and we have always arrogated to ourselves the right to question the judgment of kings, presidents, prime ministers, and even leaders of ghetto resistance movements.
As to whether I know more about the situation than Kovner did: actually I don't, since I haven't made a specific study of Vilna. But I have spent several years studying Jews who escaped from the ghetto in Warsaw, and unlike the people who were there (and who had to guess what the situation really was) I have the benefit of hindsight, records, statistics, and 50 years of accumulated historical research.. So I probably do know more about the situation there than, for example, Emanuel Ringelblum, who died before the major growth of the relief organizations in the summer of 1944, and before the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. Ringelblum is amazing given what he did know, but a lot of the time he was guessing, and some of his guesses have turned out to be wrong.
Rose's epistemology is medieval: it's not facts and research and reasoned arguments that lead to the truth, to him, but strictly who is doing the talking. Who is Galileo compared with the divine Aristotle? Who is some nebbish listnik named Steve Paulsson compared with the divine Abba Kovner?
Rose does us a service by reminding us that there are positive stereotypes as well as negative ones, and that both can be dangerous to a vulnerable minority. I had already made the same point when I mentioned that thousands of Jews fled from the Soviet to the German zone in Poland in 1939 in part because of the stereotype that 'the Germans are at least a civilized nation, unlike the Russians.'
As to judging statistically: the statistic in question is not 'how many Poles are/were antisemitic?' (about 30%, according to the last poll I saw, although we can argue all year about the meaning of such polls). The statistic was, rather: 'if we escape from the ghetto, what are our chances of survival on the other side?' And to this question, many Jews (maybe most) answered: practically none.
Now this is actually a testable hypothesis, because we know about Jews who did escape from the ghettos, and we can calculate roughly how many survived. In Warsaw, it was between a third and a quarter (according to Israel Gutman). Which is somewhat better than 'practically none.'
A nice laboratory case is the infamous Hotel Polski episode. In this instance, about 3,000 Jews - more than 10% of all Jews in hiding in Warsaw - surrendered voluntarily to the Nazis on the promise that they would get foreign passports and visas and be exchanged for German prisoners. That is, more than 10% of Jews in hiding in the summer and fall of 1943 -AFTER the liquidation of the ghetto, AFTER the truth about Treblinka was known - given a choice between trusting 'the Poles' and trusting 'the Germans' chose to trust the Germans.
We know the outcome of the experiment. Of those who trusted the Germans, there were (if memory serves) 77 survivors. Of those who trusted the Poles, there were about 5,000.
Conclusion: significant numbers of Polish Jews lost their lives through overestimating the danger posed by Polish anti-Semitism, i.e., because they held stereotyped (simplified, exaggerated) views of the Poles.
QED.
Rose, on the basis of his understanding of 'statistics', would have been the first to surrender.
If I have given anybody offence, incidentally, I apologize. But it would be more productive as well as more courteous to register your objections with me personally or on the list rather than gossip about it with Paul Rose.
Steve Paulsson tel. (44)116 252 2802 Dept of History fax (44)116 252 3986
University of Leicester
University Road
Leicester LE1 7RH England
For experience should have taught him that few are the good, and few the evil, and that the great majority of men are in the interval between them. (Plato, Phaedo)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:26:26 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Colin Tatz <Colin.Tatz@mq.edu.au> Subject: Re: Medical Experiments by Dr. Mengele at Auschwitz
In-Reply-To: <199502080416.AA13633@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>
Perhaps you would like to look at Gerald Posner and John Ware's book on Mengele. It includes a history of his academic career, along with interviews with his son, Rolf, who assisted with the book.
Regards,
Darren O'Brien
Assistant to the Director
Centre for Comparative Genocide Studies
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:41:57 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Timothy Averill <averill@meol.mass.edu> Subject: Forwarded mail.... (fwd)
A friend forwarded this to me. It is self explanatory why I passed it on.
TALLCRYD <TALLCRYD.JABBA@law.mail.cornell.edu>, "Beth A. Snow" <bsnow01@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us>, michael groen <mhgg1286@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>, "Arthur J. Barron" <ajbarro@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: Forwarded mail....
>We've just recevied an emergency call from friends in Mexico. They tell us
>that the Mexican army has surrounded the city of San Cristobal in Chiapas,
>and that the hospital in the nearby city of Comitan is flooded with
>casualities. The press is being excluded from the area. The people being
>attacked are the Myan Indians, and other poor farmers, who've been denied
>land and food since the conquest.
>
>They've asked that we try to get word about this out via email. While we
>have no further information beyond this one call I ask you to pass this
>message on, or tell anyone you think relevant via any means so that this
>does not occur in silence.
>
>============================
>Chuck Goodwin
>Anthropology
>University of South Carolina
>Colubmia SC 29208
> (803) 356-6006
> (803) 777-0259 (fax)
>
>
>
ewdavis@bongo.cc.utexas.edu
http://wwwhost.cc.utexas.edu/~ewdavis/index.html
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:19:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Tips for survivor stories
From: brad daly <bdaly@bsc835.bsc.edu>
Listmembers,
For a journalism class, I'm thinking of trying to locate Holocaust survivors here in Birmingham, Alabama, and writing about their experiences. I wonder if anyone here on HOLOCAUS could offer suggestions on how I might go about doing this, i.e., locating them, etc. There is not a *very* large Jewish community here, but there are quite a few, so I assume there might be a few survivors in the city. I'm planning on contacting the Rabbi of the Reform temple--I know he has helped students from my college on various projects in the past. Is there anyone else or any other organization?
Best wishes,
Brad Daly
Birmingham-Southern College
bdaly@bsc.edu
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:39:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: A newspaper comment on Zundel's activities in upper NY State
From: "Dan Leeson: LEESON@admin.fhda.edu" <leeson@aspen.fhda.edu>
The following posting is from an AP dispatch printed in a Southern California newspaper. I no longer post AP dispatches on this board unless they have previously appeared in a journal of some sort. The AssociatedPress takes a dim view on their material appearing on a bulletin board or list if it has not first been used by those who pay for it; i.e., the press.
There is not much new here, but it shows Zundel in standard and continuing form. A crippled, Catholic, German woman who complains to him for his attitude is told that she "is not a Germany, but a Jew."
Dan Leeson, California
Subj: (fwd) Neo-Nazi Asks For TV Spot (fwd)
CANANDAIGUA, N.Y. (AP) -- Ernst Zundel would have people believe that the Holocaust was a hoax. That there were no gas chambers. That ``no systematic killing of Jews just because they were Jews'' occurred in Nazi Germany.
He is not some random crank. The German immigrant to Canada is a well-known Holocaust denier, spreading his revisionist message in books, pamphlets, videotapes, on the Internet, even by satellite.
And on a recent sunny winter's day, wearing a bulletproof vest and a tan Afrika Korps cap, the publisher arrived in this Finger Lakes town to assert his right of admission on American public-access cable television.
Two dozen protesters held up gruesome photographs of Auschwitz victims and tried to drown him out with angry chants of ``Tell the Truth!''
``We Germans want to clear our name and we'll do it nicely, kindly,'' said Zundel, whose Samisdat publishing company in Toronto is one of the world's biggest suppliers of neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic propaganda.
Now Zundel, 56, is taking on Finger Lakes Television, a cable company that in December pulled his weekly program ``Another Voice of Freedom'' off the air after two months when a resident complained. The series portrays concentration camps as summer retreats and gas chambers as delousing units.
Another upstate community access channel dropped the program in January and at least two others refused to screen it.
When Ursula Graf introduced herself as a fellow German immigrant whose niece was killed by the Nazis because she was disabled, Zundel brushed past her, muttering ``You're not German, you're Jewish!''
``I'm glad I don't have cable; I would not watch that station anymore,'' Mrs. Graf, a 61-year-old Catholic, said after the late-January protest. ``That's really misusing the freedom of this country.''
Since he began shipping out his program in summer 1993, TV and radio stations in Denver; Lancaster, Pa.; Nashville, Tenn.; and El Paso, Texas, also have pulled the plug on the program in response to complaints.
Calling New York ``our line in the snow,'' Zundel is asking supporters to request that local cable stations air the show. He says it has appeared in recent months on more than 30 cable stations serving hundreds of towns from Rhode Island to Hawaii.
Finger Lakes Television based its decision to cancel on a state Commission on Cable Television rule stating that cable companies aren't obliged to air programs submitted by out-of-state residents.
To get around the rule, a Zundel associate who lives 40 miles from the station, Jack Wikoff, submitted the videotapes and filed a complaint against the commission.
Countering the move is the Holocaust Survivors & Friends Education Center in Albany, which wants the commission to tighten the rules further by limiting cable access to people living within the immediate viewing area.
Zundel's views are protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech in the United States, but ``there are rules for control of the airwaves and that's what we're trying to exercise,'' says center director Shelly Shapiro.
``We have to find our remedy to hate television,'' Shapiro said.
The commission said a ruling may be a few months away.
Local governments typically require cable companies to offer a
public access channel before granting them licenses. Cable operators cannot exert editorial control, and only programs judged to be obscene, libelous or slanderous can be excluded, said commission spokesman Steve Shaye.
``Technology makes it easier for hatemongers to get their message out,'' said Steven Shulman of the Canadian Jewish Congress. ``He uses this as a vehicle to get people to send for more information. Ultimately, these things can pay for themselves.
``It's incumbent upon responsible broadcasters to bar him,'' he said.
Zundel has been challenged on his views before. He was convicted of inciting racial hatred during a 1991 visit to Germany and was forbidden to speak in Spain the same year. He successfully appealed a 1988 conviction in Canada for publishing false statements.
Trying to keep Zundel off cable may be an uphill fight, some analysts say.
``If it's public access, everything has to be let on no matter how offensive it may be to some people,'' echoed Jim Horwood, legal counsel for the Alliance for Community Media, a trade association that advances public access to electronic media.
Roberta Borg of Rochester's Jewish Community Federation disagrees.
Zundel can ``talk to the wind all he wants,'' she said, but ``you have to draw the line with hatred, especially when it's hatred against race.''
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:59:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Nazi propaganda
From: "M. Roseman" <hia05@cc.keele.ac.uk>
To
Prof Roy Schwartzman
Sorry this is going out on the general list, I couldn't discern your email
from
your message. AS someone who teaches a session on Triumph of the Will
within a final year course on Hitler's Social Revolution, I'd be very
interested in seeing a copy of the chapoter you mention. Any chance of
sending it via email?
Thanks very much in advance
Mark Roseman
History
Keele University
Keele
Staffs ST5 5BG
UK
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:14:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Tips for survivor stories
From: Leo Goldberger <gberger@xp.psych.nyu.edu>
You might contact Mr. Benjamin Meed,
President
American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors
122 West 30th Street
Suite 205,
New York, N.Y. 10001
Phone: 212 239 4230
Hope this will prove helpful.
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:14:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Ruth Elias
From: Viktoria Hertling <hertling@scs.unr.edu>
> From: JUBRENMAN@JTSA.EDU
>
> In a recent article in NewsWeek Magazine a woman named Ruth Elias
> was interviewed and shared her experiences about being one of Mengele's
> experiments. She gave birth to a child and he wanted to see how long the
> child would live without food. she gave her baby morphine to put it out
> of its misery rather than go through with the experiment and watch her
> child die of starvation.
> One of my sixth grade students saw the article and realized that
> her aunt, Sally Elias, may have been in Auschwitz with Ruth. Is there
> anyone out there who knows how to get in touch with Ruth Elias in Israel?
> Address or phone number perhaps? It would be nice to see a reunion of
> family members. Thank you. Julie
>
Julie, I heart Ruth Elias' testimony two years ago when I was at an
educators seminar at Yad Vashem. You should be able to get in touch with
her through Yad Vashem, Jerusalem, Israel. Also, chances are, that
someone at Vad Vashem reads your message and responds with a more
specific address.
Viktoria Hertling, Center for Holocaust, Genocide & Peace Studies
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:44:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Re Brad Daly's request to locate holocaust survivors
From: "Dan Leeson: LEESON@admin.fhda.edu" <leeson@aspen.fhda.edu>
Brad is looking for Holocaust survivors in the Birmingham, AL area and asks how to best go about finding them. He intends to contact a rabbi at the local reform congregation and I can think of no better thing to do than that. My purpose in writing is to say that I did Holocaust survivor interviews for about 10 survivors in the San Francisco/San Jose area and got some training in how to do it.
It is not an easy thing to find these people if they do not want to be found. It is not that they are hiding, but rather they simply do not wish to speak of the matter and may never have done so. As such, it is not necessarily known that this or that resident of a certain geography is a holocaust survivor.
We contacted a number of orthodox locations and asked for their help. It seemed to me that if the survivor did affiliate himself/herself it was generally with a more traditional environment; i.e., the one that they were used to.
I would like to make some suggestions if you are fortunate enough to meet someone who will permit the interview, particularly if they have never spoken of the event. But I hestitate to offer the advice because you may be well trained yourself in how to do this kind of interview.
My suggestions are at a very detailed level, even dealing with issues such as dress. Just to explain this one point, I found and was trained to be sensitive to the fact that the survivor can well conceived of speaking about these events as a special experience, one that requires appropriate dignity in dress. We did one once where I and a very attractive young woman did the interview together, and, while my colleague was beautifully tailored, she continually leaned forward in earnestness and her scoop neck blouse was revealing. It was an awkward situation that injured the solemnity of the occasion.
There is a rhythm to such interviews and they flow according to that rhythm. If you try to zig when the survivor wants to zag, you can wind up with nothing. So let me know if I can be of help and we can do this off line so as not to involve people who prefer not to deal at this level of detail.
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:44:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: State Dept. Archives
From: Steve Paulsson <gsp3@leicester.ac.uk>
I am doing some research on a Swedish diplomat who was declared persona non grata by the US after the war because of his supposed pro-German sympathies. I assume there would be something on him in the archives of the State Dept., but never having done any research in American archives I'm very hazy about this.
Can anyone supply an E-mail or postal address and any advice?
Much appreciated.
Steve Paulsson tel. (44)116 252 2802 Dept of History fax (44)116 252 3986
University of Leicester
University Road
Leicester LE1 7RH England
For experience should have taught him that few are the good, and few the evil, and that the great majority of men are in the interval between them. (Plato, Phaedo)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:49:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: NEH 1995 SUMMER INSTITUTES for COLLEGE FACULTY [x-H-POST] 3
NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES 1995 SUMMER INSTITUTES FOR COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY FACULTY
[abbreviated list; for complete text send this command to
LISTSERV@uicvm.uic.edu get NEH summer95
If you cannot get the application forms from the Institutes, send a note to
minchew@act-act4-po.act.org (NOT to this H-Net list), and in the subject line put
FORMS REQUEST
CALL FOR PAPERS
WORLD WAR ONE: A MULTI-DISCIPLINARY CONFERENCE
Hosted by the Departments of English, History, Political Science, Sociology, Art, Modern Languages and Philosophy
Fort Hays State University (in Hays, western Kansas) April 12-13, 1996
Appropriate topics include, but are not limited to: the crisis in the Balkans (then and now); women and minorities in wartime, literature and the arts; popular culture; propaganda; military technology, tactics, and strategy; major battles (Verdun, Gallipoli, Jutland etc.); the war in Africa and the Middle East; biography (Wilson, Haig, Ludendorff, etc.); the Russian Revolution; the League of Nations; and the origins of facism.
Interested scholars, including advanced graduate students, should submit a 150-word proposal and a c.v. to:
Dr. Steven Trout
Department of English
Fort Hays State University
600 Park Street
Hays, KS 67601-4099
DEADLINE FOR PROPOSALS: OCTOBER 1, 1995
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:09:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Martin Gilbert
From: Jack Boas <boas@crl.com>
A friend informed me that Gilbert has (a) a one volume summary of the 8-volume Churchill bio, and (b) written a quasi-autobiographical work. If so, would any one have the cites for these? email direct or post to list. Thanks much.
jack Boas
boas@crl.com
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:24:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: A newspaper comment on Zundel's activities in upper NY
From: "HIUSERS" <HIPIER@ruby.indstate.edu>
Colleagues: I appreciate Bob Leeson's forwarding this report on Ernst Zundel's "activities." This guy is a real lulu, and it is well we are informed about him. Yesterday I heard him on Allen Colmes' talk-show while driving back from Indianapolis. This demonstrated the inadequacy of the knee-jerk liberal interpretation of the First Amendment, that every dodo has a right to speak and be heard. Colmes kept defending the reason he allowed Zundel on his show as the way to expose the guy's ridiculous and dangerous activities, but in fact he used the medium to get the message out. He was rude, mean, obstinate, sloganeering, and other pejorative adjectives which I would rather not clutter the internet with. The tragedy is, given the simple-minded people who listen to these talk-shows, that he probably made a lot of converts. Deborah Lipstadt et. al. convinced some time ago that we should not debate or argue with these perverts as that implicitly gives their position some validity. My experience yesterday reconfirmed that view. Richard Pierard/History/Indiana State Univ.
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:34:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: ALUMNI NEWSLETTER #16
From: arieh.lebowitz@rex.com (Arieh Lebowitz)
Copies of the most recent issue of the ALUMNI NEWSLETTER of the Holocaust and Jewish Resistance Teachers' Fellowship Program - sponsored by the Educators' Chapter of the Jewish Labor Committee, the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, and the American Federation of Teachers - are available upon written / paper request. Send your name and address to us, and we'll be glad to send you the Winter 1994/1995 issue [#16]. The previous two issues are still available as well - if you would like to receive those also, mention that in your letter.
ALUMNI NEWSLETTER
Arieh Lebowitz, Editor
Holocaust & Jewish resistance Teachers' Fellowship Program
c/o Jewish Labor Committee
25 East 21st Street -- 2nd Floor
New York, NY 10010
P.S. Requests from outside the United States, Canada or Mexico will be sent via surface printed matter. Patience!
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:57:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Needs to contact a Camp Survivor
From: JEB1DJ2UMC@aol.com
I am a seventh grade student at Diamond View school in Susanville, CA.
I
need to talk to a survivor of a death camp. I need this information by the
twenty-fith of February! My internet mailing adress is: JEB1DJ2UMC. I am DJ
Burk, a girl.
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:32:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Martin Gilbert's Works
From: arieh.lebowitz@rex.com (Arieh Lebowitz)
Researchers looking for works by Martin Gilbert, or any other author, for that matter, should be aware that there are two (perhaps more) major international "card catalogues" of universities and other research institutions. While not perfect, these two systems, called RLIN and OCLC, are the makings of multi-institution, international catalogues/databases. They can help you locate titles if yopu have authors, and visa versa. Once you learn which institutions have the material you are looking for, you can arrange for inter-library loan.
For further details on RLIN and OCLC, contact the Reference Librarian of any major university, college, or large municipal library. The librarian should be of great help in explaining the "ins-and-outs" of RLIN and OCLC.
Arieh Lebowitz
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:12:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Survivor gathering in Florida
From: "Dr.Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu>
I have just returned from the gathering of
4,000 survivors
which was organized by the American Gathering of Jewish
Holocaust Survivors (of which Benjamin Meed is president).
This "gathering" was planned to commemorate the 50th
anniversary of the liberation of the concentration camps
and the beginning of the lives which survivors began in
the United States. I participated as part of a panel on
Holocaust education.
This was a most amazing "gathering"/occurrence. To be in a setting with 4,000 survivors...to speak to some of them and to learn of their stories...to know that there were so many more stories I didn't get to hear...all of this was incredible. I met someone from Venezuela who is one of the few survivors of Treblinka. I was able to hear only part of his (incredible) story and, thus, asked if I could get of copy of what he had written. He said that he had written it only in Yiddish and in Spanish and had been unable to get it translated into English. If there is anyone on the Holocaus list who would be able to contact me with information about getting this story translated, I would appreciate this. (For example, if someone at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, or the Wiesenthal Center, or YIVO could/would do this, it would be very helpful.)
There was talk that this might be the last "a gathering" of its kind. I can understand this. My cousin, a Holocaust survivor, died last September....
The most wonderful thing about the gathering was to see what was called "Fifty Years of Life After the Holocaust__ a Reunion of Our Special Family". The Survivors I met were special people who had, somehow, managed to make new lives in the United States as well as in Canada. Some were accompanied by adult children...and a few had grandchildren with them. Helmricheich and Kliger were able to share the research they have done on survivors and their data, when coupled with the reality I saw, was quite meaningful.
I met two people with whom I have communicated on this Holocaus list (but also lost my camera). All that I heard and learned can be shared with anyone interested.
Dr. Harriet Lipman Sepinhwalll
Holocaust Education Resource Center
2 Convent Road
Morritown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liz.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:17:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Lodz Ghetto
From: RJPrys@AOL.COM
Greetings!
Last night, a survivor came to speak to the students in my Holocaust
seminar.
Among others of his Holocaust experiences, he survived the Lodz ghetto.
Quite honest about his experiences and feelings (then and now), he
acknowledged that he was among the privileged in the ghetto (apparently, his
father, a prominent member of a Jewish community prior to the war, was good
friends with Rumkowski). In defense of Rumkowski, he said that R. saved
more
Jews than were saved in all of the other ghettos combined. He might have
said "in all of the other Polish ghettos combined," or he might have implied
"in any other ghetto"--this part of his talk was a bit difficult to
understand.
Can anyone on the list comment on the accuracy of any of the variations of
these assertions (that is, "all other ghettos combined," "all other Polish
ghettos combined," or "any other ghetto")? Unless I'm mistaken, didn't
about
800 out of 200,000 Jews survive the Lodz ghetto?
Thanks for your help in this matter.
Btw, if you are interested in knowing more about what this particular survivor talked about, please send a message to that effect either to the list or to me.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:22:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: National stereotypes and the Holocaust
From: "Paul Lawrence Rose" <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Stephen Feinstein's note opens up the most delicate issues of American
Jewish
h
istory and identity which I fear cannot be faced squarely even at this time.
T
he problem parallels one faced by British Jews concerning the Palestine
problem
after 1945, as well as reactions to the Holocaust. Paul Lawrence Rose
PLR2@PSU
VM
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:12:00 CST
Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET>
Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET>
From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: NEH Yearlong Fellowships
NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES FELLOWSHIPS, 1996-97
NEH Fellowships support full-time research on scholarly projects in the humanities for a period of from six to twelve months. The deadline for the next competition is May 1, 1995; successful applicants may begin fellowship tenure as early as January 1, 1996. Applicants must have completed their formal academic training by the application deadline. Candidates for degrees at any level are not eligible to apply. Eligible: U.S. citizens or persons living in the U.S. for the three years preceding May 1, 1995.
NEH offers fellowships through two programs:
A fuller description of the programs is available by gopher at the University of Pennsylvania:
gopher://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/11/Special/neh/fellowships.txt
Application forms are now available and can be obtained by using
E-MAIL: lrichardson@neh.fed.us OR cjerry@neh.fed.us
TELEPHONE: (202) 606-8466 OR (202) 606-8467
FAX: (202) 606-8558
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:22:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Churchill Biography
From: "David A. Meier" <DAVID_MEIER@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU>
I am uncertain about the Martin Gilbert reference but there is a single volume of Churchill's memoirs put out by Houghton Mifflin ISBN 0-395-59968-7 and available in paperback.
David A. Meier
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:27:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Tips for survivor stories
From: RJPrys@aol.com
>>From: brad daly <bdaly@bsc835.bsc.edu>
Listmembers,
For a journalism class, I'm thinking of trying to locate Holocaust survivors here in Birmingham, Alabama, and writing about their experiences. I wonder if anyone here on HOLOCAUS could offer suggestions on how I might go about doing this, i.e., locating them, etc. There is not a *very* large Jewish community here, but there are quite a few, so I assume there might be a few survivors in the city. I'm planning on contacting the Rabbi of the Reform temple--I know he has helped students from my college on various projects in the past. Is there anyone else or any other organization?<<
I would definitely try contacting a local chapter of the ADL to see if there are any survivors' organizations in your area. Also, the folks at the USHMM can probably help you.
Good luck.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:57:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: A newspaper comment on Zundel's activities in upper NY
From: MALMGRNG@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu
I concur with Richard Pierard's forceful comments re: Zundel. I would suggest that he, and others of his colleagues are who well equipped to speak eloquently on Holocaust history contact the talkshow host in question and ask to appear on the program. Nothing could more appropriate at this time of the 50th anniversary of VE Day and the opening of the camps. Yes, we should scrupulously avoid debates and joint appearances with political cranks and neo-Nazis, but it would be tragic if the deniers are left to speak unchallenged. Not everyone listening to these programs is stupid or unreachable. Media figures who claim that they are simply presenting "all points of view" should be challenged to prove that they're not just looking for sensational stories and oddball guests.
And, if I may add an unrelated query: in the Forward of January 27, 1995 there appeared an op-ed piece by William vanden Heuvel defending President Roosevelt's reputation vis-a-vis rescue efforts. The author refers to "a recent paper" by Professor Gerhard Weinberg on U.S. refugee policy in the 1930s. Does anyone know if (and where) this paper has been published -- or where one might obtain a copy of it?
Zundel is well known to us in Toronto, alas. Unfortunately, the
Canadian justice system has not been able to deal with him fully.
Though he is silenced in this country, he is notoriously noisy
elsewhere. The greatest service we can perform for him is to treat him
as a legitimate opponent.
Nowadays, people abroad hear much more of him than we do here,
although he lives not many miles away from here.
Dow Marmur
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:47:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re Brad Daly's request to locate holocaust survivors
From: DRJOANE@aol.com
Many speakers lists are available throughout the country. The Holocaust
Museum in DC may know who has a speakers list in Birmingham as may the
Holocaust Center of Northern California in San Francisco. Authors of books
interviewing survivors may be a good resource as may interviewers of radio
or
TV documentaries (the Canadian Broadcast Company, I believe, did one).
Also,
Steven Spielberg is working on a long term project interviewing survivors so
there may be another resource there. Finally, the Southern Poverty Law
Center (Morris Dees) in Montgomery may be a good resource.
In general, when trying to locate Holocaust survivors, it would be good to first try contacting the local center for Holocaust Studies and remembrance, if there is one -- and the Association of Holocaust Organizations' annual Directory would be a good place to start. [Ask them for the 1993 AND 1994 directories, as some institutions in the former are not in the latter ...] The AHO's address is:
c/o Holocaust Resource Center and Archives
Queensborough Community College
The City University of New York
Bayside, NY 11364
Their phone number is (718) 225-0378. You can call in requests.
Next: try the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors; their address is:
122 West 30th Street
New York, NY 10001
Their phone number is (212) 239-4230.
Many Jewish community federations have what are known as JCRCs, or Jewish Community Relations Councils. These bodies act as liaison agencies between the organized Jewish community and the "larger" community. Ofttimes JCRCs have Holocaust commemoration commissions, committees, or the like; the JCRCs can be invaluable to Holocaust educators and researchers.
To get the address of the local JCRC, contact the local Jewish federation. A rather complete list of Jewish federations is in the annual AMERICAN JEWISH YEARBOOK, published by the American Jewish Committee. The AJC's address is:
165 East 56th Street
New York, NY 10022
tel: (212) 751-4000
The 1995 AJYB will be out in June; but the 1994 book, which is cheaper now, is just as useful.
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:57:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Holocaust Conference
From: mork@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gordon Mork)
14th Annual Holocaust Conference, Purdue University April 1 & 2, 1995, West Lafayette, Indiana
50 YEARS AFTER WORLD WAR II: PURSUING PEACE & HUMAN RIGHTS
Speakers will include Wolfgang Wippermann (Free University of Berlin), David Poltorak (Russian Academy of Education), Gregory Wegner, (University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse), Goldie Szachter Kalib (author and survivor), Leonard Rubinstein (Penn State University), Morris Dees (Southern Poverty Law Center) and Frank McCloskey (former Congressman). For further information please send snail-mail address to mork@mace.cc.purdue.edu.
\JST\HC95
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 10:12:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Facing History and Ourselves being distributed in North Carolina
From: FLRESNIK%ECUVM1@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
For those who are interested:
The North Carolina Council on the Holocaust with the cooperation of the
State Department of Public Instruction, recently distributed a copy of the
resource book "Facing History and Ourselves" to every middle, junior, and
senior high school in this state. We salute the National Association of
Secondary School Principals, Steven Spielberg, Universal Studios and Amblin
Entertainment in providing videocassettes of "Schindler's List" along with
a teacher's guide prepared by Facing History and Ourselves to every high
school
in the nation. What we missed in our distribution, and I hope that the
Spielberg group will not, is private schools.
I, personally, have witnessed outstanding Holocaust education in
private
schools in our state.
Sincerely,
Dr. Bramy Resnik, Chairman
North Carolina Council on the Holocaust
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 10:17:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: NYU in Cracow program on Jews in Eastern Europe(fwd)
From: Lucia Ruedenberg <lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
I thought readers on this list might interested in this program which follows the Jewish Cultural Festival in Cracow, that Janusz Makuch organizes.
Lucia Ruedenberg
lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
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NYU in Cracow is a 5 week summer program on The Modern History and Experience of Jews in Eastern Europe. Both undergraduate and graduate students can choose from a selection of courses that include Introduction to Yiddish Folklore and Ethnography, East European Government and Politics, Modern History of East European Jewry, The Holocaust: Destruction of European Jewry, Language courses in Yiddish and Polish, and others.
The faculty include Barbara Kirshenblatt-Gimblett, Jan Gross, Christopher Browning, Lucjan Dobroszycki, David Roskies, Piotr Wrobel, Steven Zipperstein, David Engel, and Anthony Polonsky.
The program runs from July 3, - August 4, 1995. Four weeks are spent in Cracow and there is a one week study tour of Jewish Galicia. So far the response to has been very positive and applications are starting to arrive.
I would be pleased to send you more information about the program and answer any questions you may have.
I look forward to hearing from you,
Jonathan Lipman
6 Washington Square North
998-8018
lipmanj@acfcluster.nyu.edu
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:47:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Surviving in ghettos
From: H2953Val%HUELLA@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
>Last night, a survivor came to speak to the students in my Holocaust
>seminar.
> Among others of his Holocaust experiences, he survived the Lodz ghetto.
> Quite honest about his experiences and feelings (then and now), he
>acknowledged that he was among the privileged in the ghetto (apparently,
his
>father, a prominent member of a Jewish community prior to the war, was good
>friends with Rumkowski). In defense of Rumkowski, he said that R. saved
>more
>Jews than were saved in all of the other ghettos combined. He might have
>said "in all of the other Polish ghettos combined," or he might have
implied
>"in any other ghetto"--this part of his talk was a bit difficult to
>understand.
>Can anyone on the list comment on the accuracy of any of the variations of
>these assertions (that is, "all other ghettos combined," "all other Polish
>ghettos combined," or "any other ghetto")? Unless I'm mistaken, didn't
>about
>800 out of 200,000 Jews survive the Lodz ghetto?
>Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
>School of Humanities and Languages
>Irvine Valley College
The overwhelming majority of residents in the Budapest ghetto survived. We were saved by the Red Army (Soviet Army) blockading Budapest.
George Valas <h2953val@ella.hu>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:42:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Nazi propaganda
From: KANDRA <SRM1198@OCVAXA.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
David Clemens,
You might also want to have them read MAUS II. There is a second version of
that comic. Also, I do not know if it is pertinent of available, but a
friend
of mine in high school for his AP art project did a study on propagandst art
wrok fromn that period. You might want to contact Mr. Havill at Fox Lane
High
School, RT 172, bedford, NY.
The student's name was Robbie Robertson. Mr. havill migh also have ideas as
to
where you might be able to find other resources.
Rica
@}-'-,-- If music be the fruit of life,
Let us eat drink and be merry. --'-,-{@
Yerushalayim shel zahav, v'shel n'choshet v'shel or
Halo l'chol shirayich ani kinor
SRM1198@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu Rica Mendes, Oberlin College
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:42:00 CST
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: Re: Survivor gathering in Florida
From: Lucia Ruedenberg <lucia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
thanks to Harriet Sepinwall for her description of the gathering in Florida! I would love to hear responses from anyone else who was there.
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:42:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: National stereotypes
From: "Paul Lawrence Rose" <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
John Conway's justification of Evian and the western government's closure of their gates to Jewish refugees is quite remarkable. It might be a little more convincing if those same western gvts. had not continued their practice of denial of refuge throughout the war years when there was no longer any possibility of such an approach persuading Nazi Germany to act more reasonably. The continuity of Allied policy in this respect must surely be well-known to Mr Conway as it is to all readers of this list. Why then does he try to excuse Evian by saying that at that point the Allies did not recognise the policy would fail ? If that were so and it wasn't a matter of antisemitic reaction, then the Allies would have changed their policy after 1939- and they didn't. PLRose
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:12:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Translation of survivor testimonies
From: "Dr.Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu>
I am grateful for all of the responses I received with offers
to translate the testimony of the survivor from Treblinka
who I met in Florida last week at the program organized
by the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors
to commemorate the 50th Anniversary of the end of WW II
and the beginnings of their lives in America. I will
now contact this survivor (who lives in Venezuela) and
let him know of these offers. While the final decision
about what to do will be his, I plan to stay in touch
with him and to encourage him to get his testimony
published in English. Thanks again to all who
responded!
Harriet Lipman Sepinwall
Holocaust Education Resource Center
1 Convent Road (College of Saint Elizabeth)
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:47:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Lodz Ghetto
From: Simon Wiesenthal Center Library/Archives <simonwie@CLASS.ORG>
See: Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, vol. 3, p. 1314: Conclusion of entry on Mordechai Chaim Rumkowski by Shmuel Krakowski:
"The figure of Rumkowski, more than that of any other Juderat leader, has attracted the attention of historians and writers, and opinions about him, his behavior, and his accomplishments range from one extreme to the other. In the view of some of these writers and historians, Rumkowski wwas a traitor and a collaborator. Others believe that his policies--toward both the Jews and the Germans--helped extend the life span of the Lodz ghetto, which remained in existnece when all the other ghettos in Poland had been liquidated. Those who hold the latter opinion point out that the five thousand to seven thousand survivors fo the Lodz ghetto constituted, in relative terms, the largest among all the groups of Holocaust survivors in Poland."
Paul H. Hamburg
Reference Librarian
Simon Wiesenthal Center Library
9760 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035
TEL: 310-553-9036, ext. 292
FAX: 310-277-5558
simonwie@class.org
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:27:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: _Holocaust & Genocide Studies_
From: EPS <eps@gumby.oup-usa.org>
Dear HOLOCAUS readers:
With the support of your list moderator, we would like to post, as soon as they are available, the tables of contents for forthcoming issues of _Holocaust and Genocide Studies_.
We hope you will welcome this information and find it useful.
Best wishes.
Erich Staib
Oxford University Press
JUST PUBLISHED
Professional Ethics and the Denial of the Armenian Genocide. Roger W. Smith, Eric Markusen, and Robert J. Lifton (p. 1)
Coming to Terms with Vichy. Michael R. Marrus (p. 23)
Everyday Life of Jews under Nazi Occupation: Methodological Issues. Dalia Ofer, trans. by Naftali Greenwood (p. 42)
Finland and the Holocaust. William B. Cohen and Jorgen Svensson (p. 70)
The Jews of Europe from the Perspective of the Brazilian Foreign Service, 1933-1941. Avraham Milgram, trans. by Naftali Greenwood (p. 94)
Documentation: A Preparatory Document for the Wannsee "Conference."
Comments
by Yehoshua Buchler and Richard
Breitman, trans. by Yehuda Bauer (p. 121)
Review Essay: Deconstructing the Holocaust. David H. Hirsch (p. 130)
BOOK REVIEWS (p. 145)
RECENTLY PUBLISHED BOOKS ON THE HOLOCAUST AND GENOCIDE STUDIES (p. 161)
BIOGRAPHIES OF CONTRIBUTORS (p. 170)
Toll-free within the US: 1-800-852-7323 or 919-677-0977
Fax: 919-677-1714
E-mail: jnlorders@oup-usa.org
Copyright in the table of contents listed above is held by OUP, but you are welcome to circulate them, provided that Oxford University Press is credited as publisher and copyright holder.
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:37:00 CST
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From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: Re: Facing History and Ourselves being distributed in North
Carolina
From: DRJOANE@aol.com
I am very interested in getting a copy of Facing History and Ourselves. How do I go about doing this?
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:37:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Martin Gilbert's Churchill works
From: "Dr.Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu>
Jack Boas has asked for information about Martin Gilbert's one
volume work on Churchill as well as about Gilbert's latest
work describing his experiences as Churchill's biographer.
The one volume work is: CHURCHILL: A LIFE. It is published
by Holt in both hardcover ($34.50) and paperback ($19.95).
IN SEARCH OF CHURCHILL was, I believe, published recently
in Great Britain. I read it at the New York Public Library
which has a computerized catalog (so it may be possible to
access the citation from there). Gilbert is not on the
INTERNET; he says he doesn't have the access or the time.
Perhaps there is someone in England who might encourage him
to come on line....
Harriet Lipman Sepinwall
Holocaust Education Resource Center
Collegg [De of Saint Elizabeth
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:37:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Lodz Ghetto
From: SteveMSK@aol.com
While I am not a historian, the read on Chiam Rumkowski is not that of a
heroic figure of the Holocaust. Rumkowski was called "King of the Jews"
mockingly by the Germans and under his tutelege as head of the 'Judenrat'.
the Lodz Ghetto remained quite without ever having an uprising against the
Germans. Rumkowski told all who would listen that if the Jews worked hard
for the Germans, the Germans would see that they needed them and therefore,
they would survive. Rumkowski lived opulently while in the Ghetto and
married a beaufiful woman many years his junior. In the end he went to
where
many of the residents of Lodz went, Auschwitz. He was gassed there. As far
as 800 survivors, I don't think that number is correct. My mother in law is
a survivor, as is her sister, as is her second husband. Many of her friends
are survivors of the Lodz Ghetto. It would seem that many more survived, no
thanks to Chiam Rumkowski.
Stephen Gluck
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 08:01:42 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Robert Skloot <SKLOOT@macc.wisc.edu> Subject: Lodz and Rumkowski
A note for Stephen Gluck and others interested in these recent postings:
Rumkowski appears as the protagonist in Harold and Edith Lieberman's play THRONE OF STRAW (1978); the text appears in the anthology THE THEATRE OF THE HOLOCAUST (U. of Wisconsin Press, 1982). The playwrights assess through theatrical presentation the extraordinary (and extraordinarily ambiguous) career of MCR. The play is a splendid "teaching text" for classes where issues of choice, responsibility and ethics are central issues.
Bob [Skloot@Macc.Wisc.Edu]
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 08:03:49 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Charles Fishman, SUNY Farmingdale" <FISHMAN@SNYFARVA.BITNET> Organization: FROM SUNY FARMINGDALE, NY 11735 Subject: Re: National stereotypes
As for the "continuity of Allied policy" *after* the war: Didn't the Displaced Persons Act of 1948 virtually exclude Jews from entry to the U.S. while, at the same time, giving preference to immigrants from Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and the Ukraine? As I understand it, these "refugees" included thousands of death-camp guards and other Nazis and their collaborators. Alas.
SUNY, Farmingdale * * * "If the Sun & Moon should doubt, Farmingdale, NY 11735 * They'd immediately go out." --Blake ``````````````````````````````` '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 08:06:27 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Eric Epstein <eepstein@igc.apc.org> Subject: Re: Surviving in ghettos
Richard:
Lodz was the first major ghetto to be built and the last to be destroyed and the 2nd largest ghetto after Warsaw. From January to May 1942 55,000 Jews and 5,000 Roma were sent to Chelmno and the transport lists were drawn up by Chaim Rumkowski and Altestenrat. The ghetto functioned as a labor camp from 10/22 - 5/44 and during the "quite period" deportations ceased and 77,000 Jews remained in Lodz. From May to mid-July 1944 over 7,100 Jews we were deportred to Chelmno. Deportations resumed on August 7 with thedestina destination being Auschwitz. By August 30, 1944 74,000 Jews were transported to A
Eric Epstein, PSU-Hbg
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 08:08:54 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: PHIDAS@runt.dawsoncollege.qc.ca Subject: Budapest ghetto
George Valas wrote:
The overwhelming majority of residents in the Budapest ghetto survived.
We were saved by the Red Army (Soviet Army) blockading Budapest.
According to the census of 1941 184,453 Jews lived in Budapest in that year. The Hungarian laws of 1934/4 and 1941/15 considered another 62,350 persons living in Budapest Jewish. In July 1941 3,000 Jews were deported to Kamenetsk Podolsk, most of them were killed. Another 12,350 Jews parished in the labour battalion between 1941 and 1944. During the German occupation, which began on March 19, 1944, 105,453 Budapest Jews were deported, killed or died. 20,000 returned after the war. The Jewish population of Budapest after the war was only 58.35% of the 1941 figure.
In 1944 about 70,000 Jews were moved into the ghetto in Budapest (district
seven). The Arrow Cross gangs murdered 1630 of them. There are 2,600 graves
at the old ghetto area; all victims of the Holocaust. The court dealing
with the crimes of the Arrow CRoss gangs proved murder in 6,200 cases. Many
de
aths were not recorded; according to Tams Stark's calculations the ghetto lost
at least 15,000 of its residents.
Peter I. Hidas, Montreal
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 08:14:21 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: Jim Mott <U15607@UICVM.BITNET> Subject: Brief Hiatus for HOLOCAUS
There will be no more Holocaus messages until Wednesday March 1. I will be away from a computer until then and was unable to arrange for a substitute moderator.
Jim Mott
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:19:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Tips for survivor stories
From: brad daly <bdaly@bsc835.bsc.edu>
Listmembers,
For a journalism class, I'm thinking of trying to locate Holocaust survivors here in Birmingham, Alabama, and writing about their experiences. I wonder if anyone here on HOLOCAUS could offer suggestions on how I might go about doing this, i.e., locating them, etc. There is not a *very* large Jewish community here, but there are quite a few, so I assume there might be a few survivors in the city. I'm planning on contacting the Rabbi of the Reform temple--I know he has helped students from my college on various projects in the past. Is there anyone else or any other organization?
Best wishes,
Brad Daly
Birmingham-Southern College
bdaly@bsc.edu
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:39:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: A newspaper comment on Zundel's activities in upper NY State
From: "Dan Leeson: LEESON@admin.fhda.edu" <leeson@aspen.fhda.edu>
The following posting is from an AP dispatch printed in a Southern California newspaper. I no longer post AP dispatches on this board unless they have previously appeared in a journal of some sort. The AssociatedPress takes a dim view on their material appearing on a bulletin board or list if it has not first been used by those who pay for it; i.e., the press.
There is not much new here, but it shows Zundel in standard and continuing form. A crippled, Catholic, German woman who complains to him for his attitude is told that she "is not a Germany, but a Jew."
Dan Leeson, California
Subj: (fwd) Neo-Nazi Asks For TV Spot (fwd)
CANANDAIGUA, N.Y. (AP) -- Ernst Zundel would have people believe that the Holocaust was a hoax. That there were no gas chambers. That ``no systematic killing of Jews just because they were Jews'' occurred in Nazi Germany.
He is not some random crank. The German immigrant to Canada is a well-known Holocaust denier, spreading his revisionist message in books, pamphlets, videotapes, on the Internet, even by satellite.
And on a recent sunny winter's day, wearing a bulletproof vest and a tan Afrika Korps cap, the publisher arrived in this Finger Lakes town to assert his right of admission on American public-access cable television.
Two dozen protesters held up gruesome photographs of Auschwitz victims and tried to drown him out with angry chants of ``Tell the Truth!''
``We Germans want to clear our name and we'll do it nicely, kindly,'' said Zundel, whose Samisdat publishing company in Toronto is one of the world's biggest suppliers of neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic propaganda.
Now Zundel, 56, is taking on Finger Lakes Television, a cable company that in December pulled his weekly program ``Another Voice of Freedom'' off the air after two months when a resident complained. The series portrays concentration camps as summer retreats and gas chambers as delousing units.
Another upstate community access channel dropped the program in January and at least two others refused to screen it.
When Ursula Graf introduced herself as a fellow German immigrant whose niece was killed by the Nazis because she was disabled, Zundel brushed past her, muttering ``You're not German, you're Jewish!''
``I'm glad I don't have cable; I would not watch that station anymore,'' Mrs. Graf, a 61-year-old Catholic, said after the late-January protest. ``That's really misusing the freedom of this country.''
Since he began shipping out his program in summer 1993, TV and radio stations in Denver; Lancaster, Pa.; Nashville, Tenn.; and El Paso, Texas, also have pulled the plug on the program in response to complaints.
Calling New York ``our line in the snow,'' Zundel is asking supporters to request that local cable stations air the show. He says it has appeared in recent months on more than 30 cable stations serving hundreds of towns from Rhode Island to Hawaii.
Finger Lakes Television based its decision to cancel on a state Commission on Cable Television rule stating that cable companies aren't obliged to air programs submitted by out-of-state residents.
To get around the rule, a Zundel associate who lives 40 miles from the station, Jack Wikoff, submitted the videotapes and filed a complaint against the commission.
Countering the move is the Holocaust Survivors & Friends Education Center in Albany, which wants the commission to tighten the rules further by limiting cable access to people living within the immediate viewing area.
Zundel's views are protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech in the United States, but ``there are rules for control of the airwaves and that's what we're trying to exercise,'' says center director Shelly Shapiro.
``We have to find our remedy to hate television,'' Shapiro said.
The commission said a ruling may be a few months away.
Local governments typically require cable companies to offer a
public access channel before granting them licenses. Cable operators cannot exert editorial control, and only programs judged to be obscene, libelous or slanderous can be excluded, said commission spokesman Steve Shaye.
``Technology makes it easier for hatemongers to get their message out,'' said Steven Shulman of the Canadian Jewish Congress. ``He uses this as a vehicle to get people to send for more information. Ultimately, these things can pay for themselves.
``It's incumbent upon responsible broadcasters to bar him,'' he said.
Zundel has been challenged on his views before. He was convicted of inciting racial hatred during a 1991 visit to Germany and was forbidden to speak in Spain the same year. He successfully appealed a 1988 conviction in Canada for publishing false statements.
Trying to keep Zundel off cable may be an uphill fight, some analysts say.
``If it's public access, everything has to be let on no matter how offensive it may be to some people,'' echoed Jim Horwood, legal counsel for the Alliance for Community Media, a trade association that advances public access to electronic media.
Roberta Borg of Rochester's Jewish Community Federation disagrees.
Zundel can ``talk to the wind all he wants,'' she said, but ``you have to draw the line with hatred, especially when it's hatred against race.''
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:59:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Nazi propaganda
From: "M. Roseman" <hia05@cc.keele.ac.uk>
To
Prof Roy Schwartzman
Sorry this is going out on the general list, I couldn't discern your email
from
your message. AS someone who teaches a session on Triumph of the Will
within a final year course on Hitler's Social Revolution, I'd be very
interested in seeing a copy of the chapoter you mention. Any chance of
sending it via email?
Thanks very much in advance
Mark Roseman
History
Keele University
Keele
Staffs ST5 5BG
UK
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:14:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Tips for survivor stories
From: Leo Goldberger <gberger@xp.psych.nyu.edu>
You might contact Mr. Benjamin Meed,
President
American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors
122 West 30th Street
Suite 205,
New York, N.Y. 10001
Phone: 212 239 4230
Hope this will prove helpful.
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:14:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Ruth Elias
From: Viktoria Hertling <hertling@scs.unr.edu>
> From: JUBRENMAN@JTSA.EDU
>
> In a recent article in NewsWeek Magazine a woman named Ruth Elias
> was interviewed and shared her experiences about being one of Mengele's
> experiments. She gave birth to a child and he wanted to see how long the
> child would live without food. she gave her baby morphine to put it out
> of its misery rather than go through with the experiment and watch her
> child die of starvation.
> One of my sixth grade students saw the article and realized that
> her aunt, Sally Elias, may have been in Auschwitz with Ruth. Is there
> anyone out there who knows how to get in touch with Ruth Elias in Israel?
> Address or phone number perhaps? It would be nice to see a reunion of
> family members. Thank you. Julie
>
Julie, I heart Ruth Elias' testimony two years ago when I was at an
educators seminar at Yad Vashem. You should be able to get in touch with
her through Yad Vashem, Jerusalem, Israel. Also, chances are, that
someone at Vad Vashem reads your message and responds with a more
specific address.
Viktoria Hertling, Center for Holocaust, Genocide & Peace Studies
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:44:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Re Brad Daly's request to locate holocaust survivors
From: "Dan Leeson: LEESON@admin.fhda.edu" <leeson@aspen.fhda.edu>
Brad is looking for Holocaust survivors in the Birmingham, AL area and asks how to best go about finding them. He intends to contact a rabbi at the local reform congregation and I can think of no better thing to do than that. My purpose in writing is to say that I did Holocaust survivor interviews for about 10 survivors in the San Francisco/San Jose area and got some training in how to do it.
It is not an easy thing to find these people if they do not want to be found. It is not that they are hiding, but rather they simply do not wish to speak of the matter and may never have done so. As such, it is not necessarily known that this or that resident of a certain geography is a holocaust survivor.
We contacted a number of orthodox locations and asked for their help. It seemed to me that if the survivor did affiliate himself/herself it was generally with a more traditional environment; i.e., the one that they were used to.
I would like to make some suggestions if you are fortunate enough to meet someone who will permit the interview, particularly if they have never spoken of the event. But I hestitate to offer the advice because you may be well trained yourself in how to do this kind of interview.
My suggestions are at a very detailed level, even dealing with issues such as dress. Just to explain this one point, I found and was trained to be sensitive to the fact that the survivor can well conceived of speaking about these events as a special experience, one that requires appropriate dignity in dress. We did one once where I and a very attractive young woman did the interview together, and, while my colleague was beautifully tailored, she continually leaned forward in earnestness and her scoop neck blouse was revealing. It was an awkward situation that injured the solemnity of the occasion.
There is a rhythm to such interviews and they flow according to that rhythm. If you try to zig when the survivor wants to zag, you can wind up with nothing. So let me know if I can be of help and we can do this off line so as not to involve people who prefer not to deal at this level of detail.
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:44:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: State Dept. Archives
From: Steve Paulsson <gsp3@leicester.ac.uk>
I am doing some research on a Swedish diplomat who was declared persona non grata by the US after the war because of his supposed pro-German sympathies. I assume there would be something on him in the archives of the State Dept., but never having done any research in American archives I'm very hazy about this.
Can anyone supply an E-mail or postal address and any advice?
Much appreciated.
Steve Paulsson tel. (44)116 252 2802 Dept of History fax (44)116 252 3986
University of Leicester
University Road
Leicester LE1 7RH England
For experience should have taught him that few are the good, and few the evil, and that the great majority of men are in the interval between them. (Plato, Phaedo)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:49:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: NEH 1995 SUMMER INSTITUTES for COLLEGE FACULTY [x-H-POST] 3
NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES 1995 SUMMER INSTITUTES FOR COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY FACULTY
[abbreviated list; for complete text send this command to
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If you cannot get the application forms from the Institutes, send a note to
minchew@act-act4-po.act.org (NOT to this H-Net list), and in the subject line put
FORMS REQUEST
CALL FOR PAPERS
WORLD WAR ONE: A MULTI-DISCIPLINARY CONFERENCE
Hosted by the Departments of English, History, Political Science, Sociology, Art, Modern Languages and Philosophy
Fort Hays State University (in Hays, western Kansas) April 12-13, 1996
Appropriate topics include, but are not limited to: the crisis in the Balkans (then and now); women and minorities in wartime, literature and the arts; popular culture; propaganda; military technology, tactics, and strategy; major battles (Verdun, Gallipoli, Jutland etc.); the war in Africa and the Middle East; biography (Wilson, Haig, Ludendorff, etc.); the Russian Revolution; the League of Nations; and the origins of facism.
Interested scholars, including advanced graduate students, should submit a 150-word proposal and a c.v. to:
Dr. Steven Trout
Department of English
Fort Hays State University
600 Park Street
Hays, KS 67601-4099
DEADLINE FOR PROPOSALS: OCTOBER 1, 1995
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:09:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Martin Gilbert
From: Jack Boas <boas@crl.com>
A friend informed me that Gilbert has (a) a one volume summary of the 8-volume Churchill bio, and (b) written a quasi-autobiographical work. If so, would any one have the cites for these? email direct or post to list. Thanks much.
jack Boas
boas@crl.com
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:24:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: A newspaper comment on Zundel's activities in upper NY
From: "HIUSERS" <HIPIER@ruby.indstate.edu>
Colleagues: I appreciate Bob Leeson's forwarding this report on Ernst Zundel's "activities." This guy is a real lulu, and it is well we are informed about him. Yesterday I heard him on Allen Colmes' talk-show while driving back from Indianapolis. This demonstrated the inadequacy of the knee-jerk liberal interpretation of the First Amendment, that every dodo has a right to speak and be heard. Colmes kept defending the reason he allowed Zundel on his show as the way to expose the guy's ridiculous and dangerous activities, but in fact he used the medium to get the message out. He was rude, mean, obstinate, sloganeering, and other pejorative adjectives which I would rather not clutter the internet with. The tragedy is, given the simple-minded people who listen to these talk-shows, that he probably made a lot of converts. Deborah Lipstadt et. al. convinced some time ago that we should not debate or argue with these perverts as that implicitly gives their position some validity. My experience yesterday reconfirmed that view. Richard Pierard/History/Indiana State Univ.
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:34:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: ALUMNI NEWSLETTER #16
From: arieh.lebowitz@rex.com (Arieh Lebowitz)
Copies of the most recent issue of the ALUMNI NEWSLETTER of the Holocaust and Jewish Resistance Teachers' Fellowship Program - sponsored by the Educators' Chapter of the Jewish Labor Committee, the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, and the American Federation of Teachers - are available upon written / paper request. Send your name and address to us, and we'll be glad to send you the Winter 1994/1995 issue [#16]. The previous two issues are still available as well - if you would like to receive those also, mention that in your letter.
ALUMNI NEWSLETTER
Arieh Lebowitz, Editor
Holocaust & Jewish resistance Teachers' Fellowship Program
c/o Jewish Labor Committee
25 East 21st Street -- 2nd Floor
New York, NY 10010
P.S. Requests from outside the United States, Canada or Mexico will be sent via surface printed matter. Patience!
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:57:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Needs to contact a Camp Survivor
From: JEB1DJ2UMC@aol.com
I am a seventh grade student at Diamond View school in Susanville, CA.
I
need to talk to a survivor of a death camp. I need this information by the
twenty-fith of February! My internet mailing adress is: JEB1DJ2UMC. I am DJ
Burk, a girl.
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:32:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Martin Gilbert's Works
From: arieh.lebowitz@rex.com (Arieh Lebowitz)
Researchers looking for works by Martin Gilbert, or any other author, for that matter, should be aware that there are two (perhaps more) major international "card catalogues" of universities and other research institutions. While not perfect, these two systems, called RLIN and OCLC, are the makings of multi-institution, international catalogues/databases. They can help you locate titles if yopu have authors, and visa versa. Once you learn which institutions have the material you are looking for, you can arrange for inter-library loan.
For further details on RLIN and OCLC, contact the Reference Librarian of any major university, college, or large municipal library. The librarian should be of great help in explaining the "ins-and-outs" of RLIN and OCLC.
Arieh Lebowitz
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:12:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Survivor gathering in Florida
From: "Dr.Harriet Sepinwall" <sepinwal@liza.st-elizabeth.edu>
I have just returned from the gathering of
4,000 survivors
which was organized by the American Gathering of Jewish
Holocaust Survivors (of which Benjamin Meed is president).
This "gathering" was planned to commemorate the 50th
anniversary of the liberation of the concentration camps
and the beginning of the lives which survivors began in
the United States. I participated as part of a panel on
Holocaust education.
This was a most amazing "gathering"/occurrence. To be in a setting with 4,000 survivors...to speak to some of them and to learn of their stories...to know that there were so many more stories I didn't get to hear...all of this was incredible. I met someone from Venezuela who is one of the few survivors of Treblinka. I was able to hear only part of his (incredible) story and, thus, asked if I could get of copy of what he had written. He said that he had written it only in Yiddish and in Spanish and had been unable to get it translated into English. If there is anyone on the Holocaus list who would be able to contact me with information about getting this story translated, I would appreciate this. (For example, if someone at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, or the Wiesenthal Center, or YIVO could/would do this, it would be very helpful.)
There was talk that this might be the last "a gathering" of its kind. I can understand this. My cousin, a Holocaust survivor, died last September....
The most wonderful thing about the gathering was to see what was called "Fifty Years of Life After the Holocaust__ a Reunion of Our Special Family". The Survivors I met were special people who had, somehow, managed to make new lives in the United States as well as in Canada. Some were accompanied by adult children...and a few had grandchildren with them. Helmricheich and Kliger were able to share the research they have done on survivors and their data, when coupled with the reality I saw, was quite meaningful.
I met two people with whom I have communicated on this Holocaus list (but also lost my camera). All that I heard and learned can be shared with anyone interested.
Dr. Harriet Lipman Sepinhwalll
Holocaust Education Resource Center
2 Convent Road
Morritown, NJ 07960
sepinwal@liz.st-elizabeth.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:17:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Lodz Ghetto
From: RJPrys@AOL.COM
Greetings!
Last night, a survivor came to speak to the students in my Holocaust
seminar.
Among others of his Holocaust experiences, he survived the Lodz ghetto.
Quite honest about his experiences and feelings (then and now), he
acknowledged that he was among the privileged in the ghetto (apparently, his
father, a prominent member of a Jewish community prior to the war, was good
friends with Rumkowski). In defense of Rumkowski, he said that R. saved
more
Jews than were saved in all of the other ghettos combined. He might have
said "in all of the other Polish ghettos combined," or he might have implied
"in any other ghetto"--this part of his talk was a bit difficult to
understand.
Can anyone on the list comment on the accuracy of any of the variations of
these assertions (that is, "all other ghettos combined," "all other Polish
ghettos combined," or "any other ghetto")? Unless I'm mistaken, didn't
about
800 out of 200,000 Jews survive the Lodz ghetto?
Thanks for your help in this matter.
Btw, if you are interested in knowing more about what this particular survivor talked about, please send a message to that effect either to the list or to me.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:22:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: National stereotypes and the Holocaust
From: "Paul Lawrence Rose" <PLR2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Stephen Feinstein's note opens up the most delicate issues of American
Jewish
h
istory and identity which I fear cannot be faced squarely even at this time.
T
he problem parallels one faced by British Jews concerning the Palestine
problem
after 1945, as well as reactions to the Holocaust. Paul Lawrence Rose
PLR2@PSU
VM
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:12:00 CST
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Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET>
From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com>
Subject: NEH Yearlong Fellowships
NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES FELLOWSHIPS, 1996-97
NEH Fellowships support full-time research on scholarly projects in the humanities for a period of from six to twelve months. The deadline for the next competition is May 1, 1995; successful applicants may begin fellowship tenure as early as January 1, 1996. Applicants must have completed their formal academic training by the application deadline. Candidates for degrees at any level are not eligible to apply. Eligible: U.S. citizens or persons living in the U.S. for the three years preceding May 1, 1995.
NEH offers fellowships through two programs:
A fuller description of the programs is available by gopher at the University of Pennsylvania:
gopher://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/11/Special/neh/fellowships.txt
Application forms are now available and can be obtained by using
E-MAIL: lrichardson@neh.fed.us OR cjerry@neh.fed.us
TELEPHONE: (202) 606-8466 OR (202) 606-8467
FAX: (202) 606-8558
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:22:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Churchill Biography
From: "David A. Meier" <DAVID_MEIER@DSU1.DSU.NODAK.EDU>
I am uncertain about the Martin Gilbert reference but there is a single volume of Churchill's memoirs put out by Houghton Mifflin ISBN 0-395-59968-7 and available in paperback.
David A. Meier
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:27:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: Tips for survivor stories
From: RJPrys@aol.com
>>From: brad daly <bdaly@bsc835.bsc.edu>
Listmembers,
For a journalism class, I'm thinking of trying to locate Holocaust survivors here in Birmingham, Alabama, and writing about their experiences. I wonder if anyone here on HOLOCAUS could offer suggestions on how I might go about doing this, i.e., locating them, etc. There is not a *very* large Jewish community here, but there are quite a few, so I assume there might be a few survivors in the city. I'm planning on contacting the Rabbi of the Reform temple--I know he has helped students from my college on various projects in the past. Is there anyone else or any other organization?<<
I would definitely try contacting a local chapter of the ADL to see if there are any survivors' organizations in your area. Also, the folks at the USHMM can probably help you.
Good luck.
Richard Prystowsky (RJPrys@aol.com)
School of Humanities and Languages
Irvine Valley College
5500 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA 92720
Phone: 714-559-3206
Fax: 714-559-3270
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:57:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimmott@spss.com> Subject: Re: A newspaper comment on Zundel's activities in upper NY
From: MALMGRNG@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu
I concur with Richard Pierard's forceful comments re: Zundel. I would suggest that he, and others of his colleagues are who well equipped to speak eloquently on Holocaust history contact the talkshow host in question and ask to appear on the program. Nothing could more appropriate at this time of the 50th anniversary of VE Day and the opening of the camps. Yes, we should scrupulously avoid debates and joint appearances with political cranks and neo-Nazis, but it would be tragic if the deniers are left to speak unchallenged. Not everyone listening to these programs is stupid or unreachable. Media figures who claim that they are simply presenting "all points of view" should be challenged to prove that they're not just looking for sensational stories and oddball guests.
And, if I may add an unrelated query: in the Forward of January 27, 1995 there appeared an op-ed piece by William vanden Heuvel defending President Roosevelt's reputation vis-a-vis rescue efforts. The author refers to "a recent paper" by Professor Gerhard Weinberg on U.S. refugee policy in the 1930s. Does anyone know if (and where) this paper has been published -- or where one might obtain a copy of it?
Zundel is well known to us in Toronto, alas. Unfortunately, the
Canadian justice system has not been able to deal with him fully.
Though he is silenced in this country, he is notoriously noisy
elsewhere. The greatest service we can perform for him is to treat him
as a legitimate opponent.
Nowadays, people abroad hear much more of him than we do here,
although he lives not many miles away from here.
Dow Marmur
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:47:00 CST Reply-To: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> Sender: H-Net History of the Holocaust List <HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET> From: "Mott, Jim" <jimm